Humans "I can't wait to get good 4k monitors 30+ inches in size with high refresh rates, 2020 will be the year!" Monitor makers: Fuck'em! lets unload all the 27inch panels, and rebrand them with high refresh rates and low res to make it seem like we are innovating when actually using year old panels.
If you want those, they exist. In case you weren't aware, most companies produce a variety of products targeting multiple demographics, since obviously not everyone wants what you want.
This resolution is by far preferred by gamers because the fill rates on most GFX cards won't stand up to 4k yet. You are asking monitor makers to ignore what their consumers are actually demanding.
I'm cool with 1440p. Even on a 32 inch display 1440p is fine for what I use my computer for. Sure, I see a point in UHD displays, but I don't need one.
Calling 1440p "low res" was a great joke too, thanks for that.
Yeah, I am willing to pay north of $2,000 for a full IPS 120-165hz 7680x2160 ultra widescreen monitor with HDR, provided it has important features such as VESA mounts and thin/no bezels. Probably won’t happen for another 10 years.
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Monitor manufacturers have been cutthroat emptying out their 27" inventory instead of pursuing much more modern displays at higher sizes for 4K+ use cases.
A new gen of consoles will help push the TV panel to more standardize on such things towards monitors finally catching up.
Damn this monitor ticks every box that I wanted in a monitor except for IPS, but I can live with that. Unfortunately I bet this monitor would slaughter my budget for 6 months.
Just bought a Gigabyte CV27Q, literally just showed up today... Same panel with only 2 differences that I can see: #1 400nit vs 450nit #2 AMD Freesync 2 HDR vs Freesync Pro
Wonder why it took Asus almost a year to release the same panel?
I bought a 1440p Curved VA panel. It was horrifically bad. Sub pixel arrangement is a big problem for VA. Then I bought the LG GL850, and I'm in heaven. IPS FTW! It is so clear and the visuals are so superior, and the panel is WAY faster than this one also.
"It is so clear and the visuals are so superior".....for you.
IPS has plenty of its own problems. You definitely don't want to look at a dark game on an IPS screen after playing on a VA panel. There are some $2000 IPS screens with FALD that are coming close to VA black levels, but that's still way out of reach of most consumers.
In the end, buy a panel with the attributes that work for you, because we are still a long way off from LCD's that can do everything well.
Curved non-ultrawide monitors are a stupid idea. It's the same thing as the curved display phase TV makers were going through a few years ago. They've pretty much moved back to non-curved screens.
"stupid idea" for you and your use. A curved monitor is great for a personal desktop application as it places the image focus on an individual user, however I do agree that it is a bad idea for TVs since these normally have multiple viewers.
For my use, curved is perfect. I run 3 monitors, started with flat but was constantly adjusting them because it would look weird; a little turn to the left here, a little turn to the right there... Curved has fix this issue completely and it looks/feel way more natural! Also the curved monitors fit on the desk much much better than 3 flat panels ever did.
(3) 21:9 monitors would be too big and not work for most of my applications unless I want to stretch and scale them which will present a distorted image... still have the issue with too big.
32:9 monitor doesnt make sense, (2) wide would put a seam right down the middle of my work area and again be too big, (1) is not enough, and hybrid of (1) in the middle with (2) 16:9 on the side would be silly and again too big.
"meet HDR brightness and and contrast requirements roughly equivalent to DisplayHDR 500" And you have a duplicate "and": "meet HDR brightness and contrast requirements roughly equivalent to DisplayHDR 500"
OMG! What are they smoking? That's a deal-breaker, right there. This needs to be DP 1.4 HBR3, if you actually want to use HDR at any decent framerate. Lame.
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No wonder they changed the name from "Freesync 2 HDR" to "Freesync Premium Pro": they eliminated any requirement to actually implement HDR. 'DisplayHDR 500' could be replaced with "not HDR in any way, shape or form", as it mandates brightness and static contrast ratios no different than SDR displays (and no, edge-zones do not count any more than 'dynamic contrast' is worth a damn). Just accepting a HDR input and displaying it as SDR is as worthless as a 960x540 monitor that accepts a 1920x1080 input and calls itself 'HD capable'.
"In the case of FreeSync Premium Pro, the display passes specifications and data straight to the PC. This allows games to directly tone map to the display, skipping bulky intermediate steps and helping reduce input latency. Furthermore, the baseline HDR requirements in FreeSync Premium Pro are greater than HDR 400 to provide at least twice the perceived color volume as SDR (sRGB)."
"Furthermore, the baseline HDR requirements in FreeSync Premium Pro are greater than HDR 400 to provide at least twice the perceived color volume as SDR (sRGB)."
Increasing colour volume is basically worthless on its own. HDR stands for High Dynamic Range (high static contrast ratio), and shifting your colour primaries out a bit does nothing whatsoever to increase dynamic range. 'HDR 400' is a pure joke: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/why-your-hdr-mon...
I like the fact that this is a true 10-bit display. Sure 450 nits and 3000:1 static contrast aren't ideal, but it's enough to avoid banding or the added noise of FRC, and that's a good thing. And 92% DCI-P3 exceeds what that article is calling for.
Also, I worry about FALD artifacts. I'd rather go straight to an emissive display technology, like OLED. I really wanted my next monitor to be OLED, but I've long lost hope of that happening.
8bit + FRC is not going to be visually distinguishable from 10bit at a mere 3000:1 at 450 nits unless you're doing cinematic colour grading (where a shot may plausibly be a full-screen blue-to-very-slightly-less-blue gradient). A wide colour gamut alone is practically worthless for an SDR screen outside of a calibrated toolchain: the lack of any functional HDR means any HDR content that may happen to use a wider gamut will be displayed completely incorrectly, as will any non-HDR content unless the monitor is switched to sRGB mode.
Freesync Premium Pro is supposed to communicate the gamut of the display device to the source, so that software can tone-map the content to fit the display's gamut. So, I don't follow why it would would be "displayed completely incorrectly".
Because there is more to colour display than just gamut. The entire point of HDR is that High Dynamic Range, and if you do not have a high dynamic range to actually display to then you're getting an incorrect presentation. Just as accepting a 3840x2160 signal and displaying it on a 960x540 panel will technically 'work;' but be funtionally pointless beyond a '4K support!' box sticker, a 'HDR' monitor that cannot display HDR is jsut a marketing checkbox rather than a usable feature.
The stand is probably okay without the LEDs turned on.
I wonder how many people actually want that stupid ROG logo projected on their desk (I'm guessing close to zero). More interesting would be to know how many people ASUS *thinks* want to see it.
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imaheadcase - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Humans "I can't wait to get good 4k monitors 30+ inches in size with high refresh rates, 2020 will be the year!"Monitor makers: Fuck'em! lets unload all the 27inch panels, and rebrand them with high refresh rates and low res to make it seem like we are innovating when actually using year old panels.
imaheadcase - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
oh on top of that, a stand with adjust height, tilt, and swivel is now a premium feature instead of normal. At least Dell knows it shouldn't be.inighthawki - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
If you want those, they exist. In case you weren't aware, most companies produce a variety of products targeting multiple demographics, since obviously not everyone wants what you want.surt - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
This resolution is by far preferred by gamers because the fill rates on most GFX cards won't stand up to 4k yet. You are asking monitor makers to ignore what their consumers are actually demanding.Inteli - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I'm cool with 1440p. Even on a 32 inch display 1440p is fine for what I use my computer for. Sure, I see a point in UHD displays, but I don't need one.Calling 1440p "low res" was a great joke too, thanks for that.
eek2121 - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Yeah, I am willing to pay north of $2,000 for a full IPS 120-165hz 7680x2160 ultra widescreen monitor with HDR, provided it has important features such as VESA mounts and thin/no bezels. Probably won’t happen for another 10 years.PEJUman - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
2000 will not get you this... would you pay $4-5k?GreenReaper - Sunday, April 5, 2020 - link
No, we can wait until it's $2k.meacupla - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
There's no point in 4K 120Hz+ 24bit monitors when...We don't even have HDMI 2.1 or DP 2.0 capable video cards yet.
It's upon nVidia and AMD to adopt these standards first, then the monitor manufacturers will follow suit.
inperfectdarkness - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
Or we can just kick those monitors out now and those of use who want 2160p NOW can upgrade to 120hz later, and enjoy 60hz now...godrilla - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Just put some rgb on last gen tech and sell at premium rinse repeat.Renado - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
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Monitor manufacturers have been cutthroat emptying out their 27" inventory instead of pursuing much more modern displays at higher sizes for 4K+ use cases.A new gen of consoles will help push the TV panel to more standardize on such things towards monitors finally catching up.
inperfectdarkness - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
This. Can we please stop hyping stuff that should have debuted in the market circa 2007?p1esk - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
What happened to US release of XG27UQ? It's been out in Europe since December.Ninhalem - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Damn this monitor ticks every box that I wanted in a monitor except for IPS, but I can live with that. Unfortunately I bet this monitor would slaughter my budget for 6 months.Alistair - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Get the LG GL850, or put it side by side with this monitor. Don't make the mistake of a curved VA imo.XiroMisho - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
And I think we can call GSync displays dead now, as even the premium monitors are coming with Freesync.Finally. The nVidia tax on those monitors was the price of a second, slightly smaller monitor, most of the time.
Dantte - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
Just bought a Gigabyte CV27Q, literally just showed up today... Same panel with only 2 differences that I can see:#1 400nit vs 450nit
#2 AMD Freesync 2 HDR vs Freesync Pro
Wonder why it took Asus almost a year to release the same panel?
mode_13h - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
AFAIK, Freesync Premium Pro is the new name for Freesync 2 HDR.Alistair - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
I bought a 1440p Curved VA panel. It was horrifically bad. Sub pixel arrangement is a big problem for VA. Then I bought the LG GL850, and I'm in heaven. IPS FTW! It is so clear and the visuals are so superior, and the panel is WAY faster than this one also.Dizoja86 - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
"It is so clear and the visuals are so superior".....for you.IPS has plenty of its own problems. You definitely don't want to look at a dark game on an IPS screen after playing on a VA panel. There are some $2000 IPS screens with FALD that are coming close to VA black levels, but that's still way out of reach of most consumers.
In the end, buy a panel with the attributes that work for you, because we are still a long way off from LCD's that can do everything well.
DigitalFreak - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Curved non-ultrawide monitors are a stupid idea. It's the same thing as the curved display phase TV makers were going through a few years ago. They've pretty much moved back to non-curved screens.Dantte - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
"stupid idea" for you and your use. A curved monitor is great for a personal desktop application as it places the image focus on an individual user, however I do agree that it is a bad idea for TVs since these normally have multiple viewers.For my use, curved is perfect. I run 3 monitors, started with flat but was constantly adjusting them because it would look weird; a little turn to the left here, a little turn to the right there... Curved has fix this issue completely and it looks/feel way more natural! Also the curved monitors fit on the desk much much better than 3 flat panels ever did.
(3) 21:9 monitors would be too big and not work for most of my applications unless I want to stretch and scale them which will present a distorted image... still have the issue with too big.
32:9 monitor doesnt make sense, (2) wide would put a seam right down the middle of my work area and again be too big, (1) is not enough, and hybrid of (1) in the middle with (2) 16:9 on the side would be silly and again too big.
inperfectdarkness - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
1x curved 2160p is all you need. I'm a firm believer.ballsystemlord - Thursday, April 2, 2020 - link
"meet HDR brightness and and contrast requirements roughly equivalent to DisplayHDR 500"And you have a duplicate "and":
"meet HDR brightness and contrast requirements roughly equivalent to DisplayHDR 500"
Pyrostemplar - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Still waiting for a 49" curved 32:10 Oled monitor with 1600 vertical pixels, HDR, 120hz, DP2.0/HDMI2.1mode_13h - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
> The LCD offers one DisplayPort 1.2 inputsOMG! What are they smoking? That's a deal-breaker, right there. This needs to be DP 1.4 HBR3, if you actually want to use HDR at any decent framerate. Lame.
dawntruetesas - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
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No wonder they changed the name from "Freesync 2 HDR" to "Freesync Premium Pro": they eliminated any requirement to actually implement HDR.'DisplayHDR 500' could be replaced with "not HDR in any way, shape or form", as it mandates brightness and static contrast ratios no different than SDR displays (and no, edge-zones do not count any more than 'dynamic contrast' is worth a damn). Just accepting a HDR input and displaying it as SDR is as worthless as a 960x540 monitor that accepts a 1920x1080 input and calls itself 'HD capable'.
mode_13h - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
Where do you see that? According to them, Pro adds the following qualifications over Premium:* Low latency in SDR and HDR
* Support for HDR with meticulous color and luminance certification
Source: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/free-sync
Further, they say:
"In the case of FreeSync Premium Pro, the display passes specifications and data straight to the PC. This allows games to directly tone map to the display, skipping bulky intermediate steps and helping reduce input latency. Furthermore, the baseline HDR requirements in FreeSync Premium Pro are greater than HDR 400 to provide at least twice the perceived color volume as SDR (sRGB)."
Source: https://www.amd.com/en/technologies/free-sync-faq
edzieba - Monday, April 6, 2020 - link
Right here:"Furthermore, the baseline HDR requirements in FreeSync Premium Pro are greater than HDR 400 to provide at least twice the perceived color volume as SDR (sRGB)."
Increasing colour volume is basically worthless on its own. HDR stands for High Dynamic Range (high static contrast ratio), and shifting your colour primaries out a bit does nothing whatsoever to increase dynamic range.
'HDR 400' is a pure joke: https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/blog/why-your-hdr-mon...
mode_13h - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
Thanks for the info.I like the fact that this is a true 10-bit display. Sure 450 nits and 3000:1 static contrast aren't ideal, but it's enough to avoid banding or the added noise of FRC, and that's a good thing. And 92% DCI-P3 exceeds what that article is calling for.
Also, I worry about FALD artifacts. I'd rather go straight to an emissive display technology, like OLED. I really wanted my next monitor to be OLED, but I've long lost hope of that happening.
edzieba - Tuesday, April 7, 2020 - link
8bit + FRC is not going to be visually distinguishable from 10bit at a mere 3000:1 at 450 nits unless you're doing cinematic colour grading (where a shot may plausibly be a full-screen blue-to-very-slightly-less-blue gradient). A wide colour gamut alone is practically worthless for an SDR screen outside of a calibrated toolchain: the lack of any functional HDR means any HDR content that may happen to use a wider gamut will be displayed completely incorrectly, as will any non-HDR content unless the monitor is switched to sRGB mode.mode_13h - Wednesday, April 8, 2020 - link
Freesync Premium Pro is supposed to communicate the gamut of the display device to the source, so that software can tone-map the content to fit the display's gamut. So, I don't follow why it would would be "displayed completely incorrectly".edzieba - Wednesday, April 8, 2020 - link
Because there is more to colour display than just gamut. The entire point of HDR is that High Dynamic Range, and if you do not have a high dynamic range to actually display to then you're getting an incorrect presentation. Just as accepting a 3840x2160 signal and displaying it on a 960x540 panel will technically 'work;' but be funtionally pointless beyond a '4K support!' box sticker, a 'HDR' monitor that cannot display HDR is jsut a marketing checkbox rather than a usable feature.dgingeri - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
I think I'd like it better if it didn't have that horrible stand.mode_13h - Friday, April 3, 2020 - link
The stand is probably okay without the LEDs turned on.I wonder how many people actually want that stupid ROG logo projected on their desk (I'm guessing close to zero). More interesting would be to know how many people ASUS *thinks* want to see it.