Interesting. Just a curiosity, aren't OLED contrast ratio typically infinite? With zero light on the blacks... Not that it would make any perceivable difference compared to the quoted 1000000:1
The panel probably reflects some light and has some degree of opacity. To truly have infinite contrast you would have to have a completely transparent panel with a surface that has perfectly absorbent black.
I’ve always thought these numbers for OLEDs to be ridiculous. They’re pretty much meaningless. For most uses LCDs have greater practical contrast, with much higher brightness levels, while the difference in black levels are not that great anymore. Unless you’re in darkness, the eye gets its black levels from the greatest amount of brightness. That’s because our iris closes down depending on the brightest levels, where they are a significant amount. That makes black levels look darker. Even in darker environments that true.
I believe I said this the last time around too, but I wonder how far back from the table that guy is sitting to make a 21.6" monitor look that big relative to him.
Is it? I keep my display at 150nit, because I find the common calibration recommendation of 100 nit a bit too dim, so 132 seems fine.
A bigger concern is brightness consistency. One of the big problems with computer OlED displays to date has been their terrible accuracy as the percentage of the screen displaying bright colours increases. They can’t drive their entire panels at normal brightness levels, so they dim and colours shift. If this one has solved that, it’ll be a hit.
That depends entirely on your environment, but if the area where the screen is used is _ever_ lit even indirectly by sunlight it will appear so dark as to be unusable. 132 nits is dim even in a moderately lit indoor setting.
It also depends on age. The OLED monitor I used started being terribly nonuniform with hints that pixels were burned in. Needless to say Dell didn't cover this under the warranty. So I would not really touch an OLED computer monitor that I intend to use for more than a year or so.
If you're doing any sort of color-critical work you should have your lighting under control.
OLED pixels degrade, especially blue subpixels. The worst thing you can do with OLED is pump up the brightness. White subpixels have been added to offset the blue loss some but they can only do so much and I don't know if such a small dense panel like this one even uses those.
Also, people should take a lutein supplement or eat red-flowered marigold petals. It really does improve one's visual contrast.
If you want to take lutien, each a green veggie. Congrats you are now a healthy adult that does not need to speed a fortune on useless vitamin supplements.
Useless? Yes, basically. I’d love to see some scientific evidence based on actual control based studies showing that any of this works. So far, there are none. Just eat a healthy diet, and you’ll be fine. During WWII, the British gave their bomber crews lot of carrots because that was supposed to help night vision, according to the advocates. What they found was that while their skin turned orange, their night vision was no better. Typical.
No you shouldn't be taking those. If you are a normal healthy person you already get enough of that, same with all vitamins being sold. Unless you have age related macular degeneration taking Lutein can actually be harmful in long term.
Here is a refresher on which vitamins that are worth taking..the ONLY ones that have been proven to be effective.. Fish Oil, Vitamin D, and Zinc. Those are the only ones that have had actual science backing on being effective, IF you need them. Vitamin D is based on user of course.
The rest of the vitamins you see in stores are %100 useless.
"Also, people should take a lutein supplement or eat red-flowered marigold petals. It really does improve one's visual contrast."
"Unless you have age related macular degeneration taking Lutein can actually be harmful in long term."
Citation needed.
"Fish Oil, Vitamin D, and Zinc. Those are the only ones that have had actual science backing on being effective, IF you need them. Vitamin D is based on user of course. The rest of the vitamins you see in stores are %100 useless."
Dude, go get your own citations for it being useful. What he said about fish oil, vitamin D and zinc is now pretty common knowledge: other vitamin supplements are only of any use if you already have a deficiency in those areas. If you have even the most moderately balanced diet then you'll get everything you need already, and the supplements aren't even proven to be absorbed the same way vitamins in food are.
This is made as an entertainment display. For video, you need at least 600 nits to even approach modern high contrast video. That needs at least 700 nits. Pro displays such as Apple’s go to 1600 nits. Other more expensive displays can hit 1800.
This is like old OLED displays that lagged well behind good LCD displays in brightness.
300 nits is more than enough for indoor use, really. I have a 300 nits Windows laptop and I don't think I've ever thought "I wish this screen was brighter"
300 nits is _peak_ brightness, likely limited to a small area for a short amount of time (when displaying HDR images). Typical brightness is the sustained brightness level of the entire panel. And 132 nits will look dim in any moderately lit indoor setting.
That guy in the first pic is definitely watching porn.
On topic, the specs of this monitor make it a niche product - maybe content creators with limited desk space (useless for HDR mastering or monitoring)? Wealthy individuals, who like to watch porn in their home office? No go for gamers.
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Pyrostemplar - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Interesting. Just a curiosity, aren't OLED contrast ratio typically infinite? With zero light on the blacks...Not that it would make any perceivable difference compared to the quoted 1000000:1
Oxford Guy - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
The panel probably reflects some light and has some degree of opacity. To truly have infinite contrast you would have to have a completely transparent panel with a surface that has perfectly absorbent black.melgross - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
I’ve always thought these numbers for OLEDs to be ridiculous. They’re pretty much meaningless. For most uses LCDs have greater practical contrast, with much higher brightness levels, while the difference in black levels are not that great anymore. Unless you’re in darkness, the eye gets its black levels from the greatest amount of brightness. That’s because our iris closes down depending on the brightest levels, where they are a significant amount. That makes black levels look darker. Even in darker environments that true.brucethemoose - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Yours for only (*puts pinky on mouth*) 100 billion dollars!StevoLincolnite - Thursday, March 26, 2020 - link
Need a 32" variant...Valantar - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
I believe I said this the last time around too, but I wonder how far back from the table that guy is sitting to make a 21.6" monitor look that big relative to him.Also, that brightness is downright awful.
Guspaz - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Is it? I keep my display at 150nit, because I find the common calibration recommendation of 100 nit a bit too dim, so 132 seems fine.A bigger concern is brightness consistency. One of the big problems with computer OlED displays to date has been their terrible accuracy as the percentage of the screen displaying bright colours increases. They can’t drive their entire panels at normal brightness levels, so they dim and colours shift. If this one has solved that, it’ll be a hit.
Valantar - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
That depends entirely on your environment, but if the area where the screen is used is _ever_ lit even indirectly by sunlight it will appear so dark as to be unusable. 132 nits is dim even in a moderately lit indoor setting.close - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
It also depends on age. The OLED monitor I used started being terribly nonuniform with hints that pixels were burned in. Needless to say Dell didn't cover this under the warranty. So I would not really touch an OLED computer monitor that I intend to use for more than a year or so.Oxford Guy - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
If you're doing any sort of color-critical work you should have your lighting under control.OLED pixels degrade, especially blue subpixels. The worst thing you can do with OLED is pump up the brightness. White subpixels have been added to offset the blue loss some but they can only do so much and I don't know if such a small dense panel like this one even uses those.
Also, people should take a lutein supplement or eat red-flowered marigold petals. It really does improve one's visual contrast.
Oxford Guy - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Also, lutein is fat soluble so you need to have a bit of oil with it to absorb it.imaheadcase - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
If you want to take lutien, each a green veggie. Congrats you are now a healthy adult that does not need to speed a fortune on useless vitamin supplements.Oxford Guy - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
A fortune? Hardly.Useless? Nope.
Also, lutein is not technically a vitamin.
melgross - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
Useless? Yes, basically. I’d love to see some scientific evidence based on actual control based studies showing that any of this works. So far, there are none. Just eat a healthy diet, and you’ll be fine. During WWII, the British gave their bomber crews lot of carrots because that was supposed to help night vision, according to the advocates. What they found was that while their skin turned orange, their night vision was no better. Typical.imaheadcase - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
No you shouldn't be taking those. If you are a normal healthy person you already get enough of that, same with all vitamins being sold. Unless you have age related macular degeneration taking Lutein can actually be harmful in long term.Here is a refresher on which vitamins that are worth taking..the ONLY ones that have been proven to be effective.. Fish Oil, Vitamin D, and Zinc. Those are the only ones that have had actual science backing on being effective, IF you need them. Vitamin D is based on user of course.
The rest of the vitamins you see in stores are %100 useless.
"Also, people should take a lutein supplement or eat red-flowered marigold petals. It really does improve one's visual contrast."
Oxford Guy - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
"Unless you have age related macular degeneration taking Lutein can actually be harmful in long term."Citation needed.
"Fish Oil, Vitamin D, and Zinc. Those are the only ones that have had actual science backing on being effective, IF you need them. Vitamin D is based on user of course. The rest of the vitamins you see in stores are %100 useless."
Citation needed.
Spunjji - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
Dude, go get your own citations for it being useful. What he said about fish oil, vitamin D and zinc is now pretty common knowledge: other vitamin supplements are only of any use if you already have a deficiency in those areas. If you have even the most moderately balanced diet then you'll get everything you need already, and the supplements aren't even proven to be absorbed the same way vitamins in food are.melgross - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
This is made as an entertainment display. For video, you need at least 600 nits to even approach modern high contrast video. That needs at least 700 nits. Pro displays such as Apple’s go to 1600 nits. Other more expensive displays can hit 1800.This is like old OLED displays that lagged well behind good LCD displays in brightness.
Retycint - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
300 nits is more than enough for indoor use, really. I have a 300 nits Windows laptop and I don't think I've ever thought "I wish this screen was brighter"Valantar - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
300 nits is _peak_ brightness, likely limited to a small area for a short amount of time (when displaying HDR images). Typical brightness is the sustained brightness level of the entire panel. And 132 nits will look dim in any moderately lit indoor setting.esoel_ - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
I think you mean Q2 2020... ( Global Price & Date )mkozakewich - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
Ooh, good! I'm still waiting for the 27" one, though.crimsonson - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
That guy in the first pic is definitely watching porn.On topic, the specs of this monitor make it a niche product - maybe content creators with limited desk space (useless for HDR mastering or monitoring)? Wealthy individuals, who like to watch porn in their home office? No go for gamers.
melgross - Tuesday, March 31, 2020 - link
Some of you guys seem fixated on porn. Your viewing habits done extend to everybody else.