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  • Holliday75 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Been awhile since I've done this, but now is as good as any to get back at it! Will sign up once I get home from work. My job is classified as "essential" so I have to be onsite. Bleh.
  • brucethemoose - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    FAH's servers are apparently getting slammed: https://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=...

    I cant even get the statistics page to load atm.
  • plewis00 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Are you getting ‘bad gateway’ too? I’ve installed it on all the spare office workstations as I’m the only one in but most are sitting idle without work!
  • Ken_g6 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Third-party Folding@Home stats are available here: https://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list....
  • Enverex - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Those third party stats will either be massively out of date, or simply not include you at all.
  • extide - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Yeah, it has been very difficult to get work units in the past week or so. They are seeing like 10x-20x greater than usual traffic right now.
  • leexgx - Tuesday, March 24, 2020 - link

    i have given up on CPU work units on F@H , using Rosetta@home for CPU and F@H for GPU when a unit comes across (last 12 hours i do seem to be receiving a constant flow of GPU work units on F@H) F@h dont like you hoarding work units so you can't just buffer some work units up like you can on bionic Rosetta

    once Linus gets his work unit server up on his 10gb line (i believe he might be setting one up at ISP leased line provider as well as they are posted interest of having one) more work units should be available
  • imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    I mean don't they have a vaccine already? Its only a world changing event because of the social distancing they are doing fyi not specifically because its any worse than other viruses.
  • Galcobar - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    A vaccine, despite Trump's misinformation during his press conferences, is at best months away and more realistically two years.

    The first safety trials have just begun injecting volunteers in Washington state. That's well before the stage in a clinical trial where the effectiveness is tested. Even if many of the normal licensing protocols are skipped, it still takes significant time to have enough opportunities for volunteers to contract the disease to demonstrate the vaccine is protective. Then there's manufacturing time, which recent advancements have cut from many months to still needing multiple weeks, and those advancements only work for certain types of vaccines.

    Of course that assumes the first vaccine tried works. It tools multiple trials to get a successful Ebola vaccine.

    And yes, this is worse than other viruses, that's why the social distancing. It's a novel virus, meaning it transmits easily. It's not like the flu, where chunks of the population are immune and act like firebreaks to slow the spread. SARS 2003 was deadlier, but over the course of the entire outbreak only infected thousands; SARS-CoV-2 cases are closing on two hundred thousand just since December.

    As for its lethality, we don't have enough data yet but it appears an order of magnitude more lethal than influenza on average. The US CDC published a comparison that's even worse but US numbers are hampered by a lack of testing (South Korea tests almost twice as many people per week as the US has tested total).

    The elderly or those with underlying conditions are of course the most vulnerable, but from China's experience the death rate among teens and children is 25 times higher than their annual flu numbers.
  • imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Wait a minute, you are wrong. I literally just saw a post from local hospital saying they are testing on patients now. lol
  • imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Also, even from CDC and WHO it shows its not any worse. The only reason social distancing is happening because they don't KNOW how it transmits completely yet. Even though its already showing signs of tampering off even in areas without social distancing in place.
  • Samus - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    They know how it spreads because its half-life and survivability has been extensively tested on dozens of surfaces. Other than contact with contaminated surfaces, it has been well known it is transmitted through the air in the form of micro droplets. Any humidity in a room is going to help it linger. It isn't a very complex virus but it is incredibly contagious, more so than the flu (which is also incredibly contagious for being such a mainstream virus)

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/new-...
  • tmanini - Saturday, March 21, 2020 - link

    Please please please, understand that the aerosolized portion of the article you linked has to do with nebulizers used in hospitals (and homes) for treatment like asthma. It has NOTHING to do with sneezes, which are far larger droplets by comparison. AND, humidity HELPS virii fall more quickly (which is why the flu doesn't linger as long in summer and is a winter illness spike). *sigh*
  • HammerStrike - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link

    In South Korea, which has the most complete testing we can get, they are showing a case fatality rate of 0.6%. Flu varies from year to year but it averages around 0.07%. Italy has a case fatality rate of 8.3%. Perhaps that’s what it looks like when the hospital system gets overwhelmed, although there is undoubtably undetected cases in all those countries that are not be included, so total mortality rate is lower.

    Even assuming the SK case fatality rate is double the final mortality rate you are looking at o.3%, which is over 4 times as deadly as the flu. And since there is no immunity in the population, unlike the flu, which the majority of people do not get each year due to vaccines and partial immunities from previous flu illnesses, the vast majority of the population will get covid 19 if left unchecked.

    According to the CDC 3%-11% of the population gets the flu each year. On average 0.07% of them will die.

    Covid-19 will infect at least 60% of the population Over the next year if left unchecked, with a magirity of that in the next few months. Run the numbers - shit ton die more from Covid then the flu. By orders of magnitude. Not the same thing. Interventions are warranted. Will not change the total amount of infections, but will at least give the hospital system a shot at managing the amount of patients that need intensive care so the case fatality rate is closer to SK at 0.6% vs Italy at 8.3%
  • FreckledTrout - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    I know you are joking but even if this was true it could still be a while especially if the testing failed to provide immunity.
  • Galcobar - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Again, these are safety trials. Researchers will take months to see if the vaccine is safe, then start trials on effectiveness.

    For some reason, the most complete version of the AP news article I could find was from the CBC: cbc.ca/news/health/coronavirus-vaccine-1.5499244

    As for lethality, I don't know where you're getting your numbers from but the man leading the US federal response, Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, has explicitly stated SARS-CoV-19 is deadlier than the flu (he conservatively estimated 10 times deadlier if undiagnosed COVID-19 cases are included). Also, the WHO estimate is a 2.3 per cent mortality rate, versus 0.1 per cent for the flu.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/we-have-to-stop-co...
    https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/11/top-federal-health...

    Perhaps you should read over this piece from John Hopkins Medicine, which has been tracking the disease since it emerged.
    https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-...
    Or perhaps check the news out of Italy, where there are so many deathly ill patients that doctors are literally having to decide who they should treat, and therefore who dies.
  • sonny73n - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    ”Wait a minute, you are wrong. I literally just saw a post from local hospital saying they are testing on patients now. lol”

    A Chinese billionaire Jack Ma was giving the US 1 million masks and 500 thousands test kits a few days ago. I don’t know if the US accepted his donation after talking shit about how the virus originated from China. As of now, test kit isn’t available for everyone. There’s only for those with symptoms.

    Here’s something for your lazy brain:

    https://www.globalresearch.ca/covid-19-further-evi...
  • Pleiades-0 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Testing a stage1 Military R&D Stgem Cell proto vaccoine is the very first step. You don't know what you are talking about.
  • HammerStrike - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link

    There is a stark difference between some people getting tested and everyone showing symptoms being tested. This last week I am aware of 3 people, one a friend who is a doctor whom was exposed examining a patient, one a close friend and the other my wife, whom were denied a test. The doctor was denied because no symptoms and orders on 14 day quarantine, while my wife and close friend both have classic symptoms (fever, dry cough, body aches) but were denied a covid test because they didn’t meet the criteria. My wife was tested for influenza a & b and that came back negative.

    Fortunately all three doing fine, but there is extreme rationing of tests. It’s a disgrace. I live in Minneapolis, MN FYI.
  • Samus - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Most labs I've been following, Inovio (San Diego) and Regeneron (New Jersey) have had C19 sequenced since early February...as soon as they received DNA samples from China. It took 3 hours to sequence because it's an incredibly simple virus and it hasn't mutated (that they know of.)

    The Trump administration had initially been roadblocking FDA fast track access so both labs were stuck doing internal animal testing, which basically just makes sure its safe - it doesn't even test to see if it works.

    Arcturus (also San Diego) is a larger lab that is publicly traded, so they have more resources and more political weight, and even still they are having trouble with FDA accessibility. Naturally, they also have a vaccine ready to be tested.

    Inovio asked, and was granted, $5 million from Bill Gates, who is rumored to have stepped down from the board at Microsoft in the wake of Coronavirus to focus his time and efforts on coordinating cash disbursement and helping fight the disease with faster testing and rapidly developing a safe vaccine.

    What's important to point out:

    The Trump administration up until THIS WEEK has not just ignored but intentionally roadblocked many labs from important federal resources and waivers.

    Perhaps most shocking if we had a chance to test a vaccination for SARS years ago, developed by a Texas lab. It has sat in a refrigerator since being developed. Since it was never tested because the FDA didn't deem it necessary and never granted a waiver, it's equally behind all the other labs that presumably developed a very similar vaccination. Like the flu vaccination, it's important to remember even if it isn't perfect, it can still be the difference between life and death for many people because with a vaccination, your body will detect an attack similar to those it is immune too sooner. This is referred to as 'antibody effect'.

    Vaccination testing is incredibly complex, even more so for a Coronavirus because by definition these viruses jump from presumably-immune animal hosts to humans, so testing them on animals that are unaffected by the virus in the first place, meaning human clinical trials are two stages of multiple phases. Before those start they need to be tested on animals for safety screening since it is a brand new style of vaccination.

    Even fast tracked trials take months EACH. Remember, two trials needed for a animal transmission vaccine (the same goes for rabies, ebola, lyme, etc) The exception is, naturally, influenza vaccinations, because they bypass clinical trials by not 'deviating from the formula' and only certain tweaks are made year-over-year. The packaging, preservatives and overall manufacturing remain the same, so these things don't need to be tested; this is simply called a screening trial although they can be considered prevention trials.

    Manufacturing a vaccination, like any drug, takes months. This isn't like pressing a record.

    We will be lucky to have a vaccination available for those at extreme risk, approximately 60 million people in the population of the United States (over age 65, preexisting conditions such as autoimmune diseases, those with heart disease or heart complications, etc) by the end of the year.

    Although speculative, it's widely viewed this could have been almost entirely prevented from becoming a pandemic like the last three epidemics (SARS, MERS, Ebola) if our government was watching the world closer instead of leaving it up to everyone to watch themselves. As much as Americans don't like us 'taking care of the rest of the world' we are a superpower and we are the United States. This is what we do. And if anything, this is what we do for our own national security. Containing a virus elsewhere and preventing it from coming here is a matter of our own economic safety as much as it is a health issue. The political climate and the dismantling of fundamental government operations from the EPA to the CDC and everything in between have put the entire world at risk.

    https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavir...

    https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/health/coronavir...

    https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/business/biot...

    https://www.fda.gov/patients/clinical-trials-what-...
  • Trackster11230 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    The current data shows it being worse than other "common" viruses though.
  • Pleiades-0 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Yes you're a headcase. Vaccines take 12 months to develop and test. Viral drug treatments might come sooner. Besides, there's always Rosetta@Home. They already predicted important protein energy states for covid19. For some reason the tech press is only promoting Folding@home?
  • edzieba - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Just a heads-up: GPU work orders have been intermittent for the last week or two, due to a vast increase in the number of people running folding@home and it taking time for Stanford to spool up more servers to generate the work orders. This means that it may take some time after starting the F@H client before your machine actually starts working on anything.
  • catavalon21 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    I'm not seeing this as a discrete disease to choose from. Are these WUs provided (when available) by selecting "Any"? Will it default to this disease?
  • catavalon21 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Disregard. If I bothered to read the fine manual, it says yes, getting COVID-19 requires setting disease preference to "Any".
  • AshlayW - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Is it safe to fold on RX 5500 XT? Heard Navi has some issues with Compute.
  • lmcd - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    AFAIK they were speed problems but not accuracy errors?

    If I were you though I'd just do CPU folding, and remove the GPU slot. Seems like a waste of electricity.
  • catavalon21 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    On the SETI@Home and Einstein@Home message boards, consensus is the latest drivers fixed the OpenCL issues on Navi cards. IMO, quite worth the power, considering Compute throughput on many modern video cards for programs setup for them seriously flogs any modern CPU's watt for watt.
  • lmcd - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    My statement was considering that as far as I'd read and heard, the performance problems were still there. Given that performance ranged from 1/5th to 1/10th expected, that puts them in range of CPUs.
  • catavalon21 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    You may be right about that. With S@H winding up in very short order, I have all but stopped perusing the the message boards where I encountered much of the Navi OpenCL chatter. My Win10 box with CPU and GPU COVID-19 F@H WUs is showing 663k PPD for the 1660ti GPU, and 29k PPD on the CPU side with 4 of 8 cores on a 6700k. If the AMD cards are suffering a 90% performance hit, that's an entirely different story. Thanks.
  • blckgrffn - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    My 5700xt is crushing it right now. Looking at about 1m points per day on the card alone. Update your drivers and get that thing in the game!
  • catavalon21 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Sweet!
  • catavalon21 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Off topic, but since none of the review sites I am aware of have reviewed one with the updated drivers, where does it now fall in the performance realm for Compute?
  • Moishe - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    well worth spending some electricity on.
  • Zizo007 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Its only folding on the CPU. GPU has 0% usage...
  • plewis00 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    They’re overloaded and the COVID project I got a WU for is the CPU-only workload. They had a Twitter update saying they’re working on creating more jobs for the compute power.
  • Zizo007 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    My OCed 2080 Ti has 0% load when folding...
  • airdrifting - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    Thanks to the Maryland Ford Detrick Virus, now all RAM and SSD price are on the rise.
  • wr3zzz - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    It's been a while since last I did crowd distributed computing but has anything concrete ever came out of them over the years? It seems dedicated computing is far, far more efficient at clear objective projects like Covid-19 research and that @Home type setups are for esoteric goals without any time urgency.
  • dotted - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    There is a dedicated page on their website listing 20 years of papers and results from the Folding@Home project.
  • harobikes333 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    As of this posting, Folding@Home won't serve up any WU to me....? I tried yesterday as well :/
  • PCGeek123 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    For me, it took an hour for GPU to get a COVID-related work unit (WU). It took nearly a day for CPU to get a non-COVID WU.
  • The Lorax - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    I would like to see the President commander the supercomputer the DOD uses to simulate nuclear weapons and have instead work on solving the coronavirus. In fact redeploy all the gov supercomputers except maybe weather and have them work on this problem.
  • Zizo007 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    I am sure they already thought about it and are probably already doing it.
  • Ian Cutress - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    A large cloud vendor basically volunteered their GPU array to the project. It means the project have been spinning up servers to help distribute the work and they're still playing catchup. Hopefully that cloud vendor can also host a few systems, as the bottleneck appears to be storage bandwidth right now.
  • Commenter1 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link

    TLDR;
    The full details on the contest, including how to download the Folding@Home client and join Team AnandTech, our distributed computing team, can be found here.
    https://forums.anandtech.com/threads/anandtech-vs-...
  • Peskarik - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    New World Order is coming fast.
    There will be more government and more government control in every aspect of our lives.
  • ElishaBentzi - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    The NWO will fail, yes they are trying hard but they will fail.

    Thanks to the creator the only authority that exists and that is good and benevolent. We are entering the era of abundance, and emerging from the dark age of lies and deception of scarcity.

    Chlorine dioxide can cure this disease, has no side effects, cannot be patented, and is easy to manufacture.

    But the reset can not be stopped, the old corrupt society die, the new society will rise. https://mutualwelfare.org/
  • DPUser - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    Last year, the US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) warned about the dangers to health of drinking Chlorin Dioxide/MMS. Health authorities in other countries have also issued alerts about it. The FDA says it "is not aware of any research showing that these products are safe or effective for treating any illness". It warns that drinking them can cause nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea and symptoms of severe dehydration.
  • jimbo2779 - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link

    What you are claiming is entirely ridiculous and you are putting peoples lives at risk.

    People, don't drink bleach or listen to anyone pushing MMS, it is poison, it will kill you.
  • Threska - Saturday, March 21, 2020 - link

    I think his post should be read in a mocking tone. NWO indeed.
  • rocketman122 - Thursday, March 19, 2020 - link

    beating Tom’s Hardware! Oh, yeah, and PERHAPS finding ways to reduce the impact of COVID-19 on the globe at large…

    thats a BIG NOPE X2.
  • Sahrin - Friday, March 20, 2020 - link

    Once again we play our dangerous game with our old adversary...Tom’s Hardware Guide.
  • B.J.R. - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link

    The Hunt for Red October, classic film.
  • peevee - Monday, March 23, 2020 - link

    Has Folding@Home helped to find a cure for a single disease in 22+ years of its existence? An example please.

    Helping to write an inconsequential paper does not count.
  • ElectronicCyberDragon - Wednesday, March 25, 2020 - link

    Hello everyone, I have just joined your Team in the fight against COVID-19. my Threadripper 1950 and my older 980TI should do nicely.
  • KPOM - Thursday, April 16, 2020 - link

    I hear final results in and AnandTech “won”! But the fight against Covid 19 continues and we should all keep folding. Thanks to all at AnandTech and Tom’s Hardware for promoting this worthy cause.
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