I could see myself owning one of these little motherboards if the price is reasonable. A pity it doesn't have integrated wireless, but that is a relatively easy problem to resolve.
Why not make this using an Athlon 200GE instead? You get generally better ST & MT performance than even the more expensive and faster A12-9800 (A12-9800 is faster than A10-9630P) https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2295?vs=22... plus an iGPU that is at least equal to the A10-9630P. All within the same TDP and being on the newer generation of motherboards.
This chip is a mobile chip so it contains the "southbridge" chipset on it. The A12-9800 or AM4 ryzen based ones will still requires another chip for I/O functions.
So price and simplicity works better for these older mobile chips AMD is dumping.
The *300 series "chipset" without southbridge exists for Ryzen APUs. Which is why I don't understand that all motherboard vendors stopped development of those after the beta phase except for ASRock, who also only sell it in their barebone DeskMini A300 but that allows for a very low idle power draw of only 7 Watts.
My guess would be because Biostar already had a design for Carrizo and it was easy to upgrade it to Bristol Ridge, and a Ryzen derived CPU would have needed at the very least more validation, and because AMD has stocks of these old chips and it's selling them for peanuts.
These cute boards from Biostar are very difficult to find on the USA, I have seen recent models like A10N-8800E, A68N-5600E (both with old AMD CPUs like this A10-9630E) being sold upwards of $100 in eBay from sellers from Italy, Japan and China.
I have an ASRock J5005-ITX in my HTPC which works great with a 4K TV, but also have a very old VIA Nano based ITX NAS system which I want to replace with something from AMD and these boards fit the bill, but no way José with those prices. Around $60 would be fine.
So, I'm waiting for either a price drop, or mass availability stateside, or well, Embedded Ryzen boards for general consumers. So far only industry grade (and price!) boards are available.
The number of new products announced without pricing is frustrating. I've lost count of the monitors, SSDs, etc that I haven't given a second thought to buying because there's no pricing information from the manufacturer when they launch it.
I agree that it can be frustrating, but its been stated before that Anandtech is not being given pricing information by the companies themselves and it is not for lack of asking. Companies that release this sort of data without including prices do so at their own peril. In any event, we should be careful not to dump blame on AT for the problem.
It cant be too much ..BUT .. itx with , say, j4105 , costs £83 quid ..Its not a massive leap in CPU (300vs400) I'd prefer to see 2x . Will keep an eye out , to replace an n3455, idle and full power consumption is an important consideration. Can this be overclcocked ? probably not
SO OLD. MINI ATX ON 300 WATTS RYZEN 3200G HERE FOR $325 WITH SHIPPING ALL TOGETHER AND RUNNING RAM 3000. i CANT GAME UNLESS RES DOWN TO 720P@30 FPS OC.ED 3,8GHZ AND 1600 FOR GPU AND ALL STABLE WITH STOCK COOLER, OTHERWISE IT WAS 720P @ 12 TO 15 FPS AT STOCK STATS. WHAT IS THAT A10 GONNA DO BUT SHOP ON AMAZON AND WATCH YOUTUBE TO COMPETE WITH 1O INCH TABLETS?
AND YOU DARE CALL THAT ENTRY LEVEL , WHAT THE FUCK. HOW ABOUT A DIGITAL WATCH WITH CALCULATOR IS NEXT GEN ENTRY LEVEL? HOW LONG IS THE INDUSTRY GOING TO SHIT ON TECHNOLOGY FOR HIGHER PROFIT?
Gemstones of knowledge like the post above are why I read user comments. Thank you for your enlightened and highly articulate thoughts. You said what all of us were really thinking.
I built a NAS using the A10-8800P this march and I love it to death. I went to build a second unit and my motherboard vendor went out of stock on the A10-8800P and offered me a free upgrade to A10N-9630E. I didnt mind the minor upgrade but one thing bothers me. using the NVMe slot disables the onboard SATA. That was not the case on the A10-8800P. Any ideas why?
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Marlin1975 - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
Interesting and has potential. But a lot of that will depend on the pricing. If its to high I rather build a small system with a Ryzen 3000G.PeachNCream - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
I could see myself owning one of these little motherboards if the price is reasonable. A pity it doesn't have integrated wireless, but that is a relatively easy problem to resolve.SolarAxix - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
Looks like there's a typo in the specification table. It mentions that the A10N-9630E has two SO-DIMM slots when it's supposed to be DIMM slots.schujj07 - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
Why not make this using an Athlon 200GE instead? You get generally better ST & MT performance than even the more expensive and faster A12-9800 (A12-9800 is faster than A10-9630P) https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2295?vs=22... plus an iGPU that is at least equal to the A10-9630P. All within the same TDP and being on the newer generation of motherboards.Marlin1975 - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
This chip is a mobile chip so it contains the "southbridge" chipset on it. The A12-9800 or AM4 ryzen based ones will still requires another chip for I/O functions.So price and simplicity works better for these older mobile chips AMD is dumping.
Lightkey - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
The *300 series "chipset" without southbridge exists for Ryzen APUs. Which is why I don't understand that all motherboard vendors stopped development of those after the beta phase except for ASRock, who also only sell it in their barebone DeskMini A300 but that allows for a very low idle power draw of only 7 Watts.ET - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link
My guess would be because Biostar already had a design for Carrizo and it was easy to upgrade it to Bristol Ridge, and a Ryzen derived CPU would have needed at the very least more validation, and because AMD has stocks of these old chips and it's selling them for peanuts.uefi - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link
Another reason is Windows 7 support. AMD doesn't provide win7 drivers for the integreated vega on Ryzen APUs.rozquilla - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
These cute boards from Biostar are very difficult to find on the USA, I have seen recent models like A10N-8800E, A68N-5600E (both with old AMD CPUs like this A10-9630E) being sold upwards of $100 in eBay from sellers from Italy, Japan and China.I have an ASRock J5005-ITX in my HTPC which works great with a 4K TV, but also have a very old VIA Nano based ITX NAS system which I want to replace with something from AMD and these boards fit the bill, but no way José with those prices. Around $60 would be fine.
So, I'm waiting for either a price drop, or mass availability stateside, or well, Embedded Ryzen boards for general consumers. So far only industry grade (and price!) boards are available.
evilspoons - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
The number of new products announced without pricing is frustrating. I've lost count of the monitors, SSDs, etc that I haven't given a second thought to buying because there's no pricing information from the manufacturer when they launch it.PeachNCream - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
I agree that it can be frustrating, but its been stated before that Anandtech is not being given pricing information by the companies themselves and it is not for lack of asking. Companies that release this sort of data without including prices do so at their own peril. In any event, we should be careful not to dump blame on AT for the problem.Ghostline91 - Monday, March 16, 2020 - link
What range can we expect this type of board to cost thoughMASSAMKULABOX - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link
It cant be too much ..BUT .. itx with , say, j4105 , costs £83 quid ..Its not a massive leap in CPU (300vs400) I'd prefer to see 2x .Will keep an eye out , to replace an n3455, idle and full power consumption is an important consideration.
Can this be overclcocked ? probably not
KRAKENEMALL - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link
SO OLD.MINI ATX ON 300 WATTS RYZEN 3200G HERE FOR $325 WITH SHIPPING ALL TOGETHER AND RUNNING RAM 3000. i CANT GAME UNLESS RES DOWN TO 720P@30 FPS OC.ED 3,8GHZ AND 1600 FOR GPU AND ALL STABLE WITH STOCK COOLER, OTHERWISE IT WAS 720P @ 12 TO 15 FPS AT STOCK STATS.
WHAT IS THAT A10 GONNA DO BUT SHOP ON AMAZON AND WATCH YOUTUBE TO COMPETE WITH 1O INCH TABLETS?
AND YOU DARE CALL THAT ENTRY LEVEL , WHAT THE FUCK. HOW ABOUT A DIGITAL WATCH WITH CALCULATOR IS NEXT GEN ENTRY LEVEL? HOW LONG IS THE INDUSTRY GOING TO SHIT ON TECHNOLOGY FOR HIGHER PROFIT?
PeachNCream - Tuesday, March 17, 2020 - link
Gemstones of knowledge like the post above are why I read user comments. Thank you for your enlightened and highly articulate thoughts. You said what all of us were really thinking.Kryptonite704 - Wednesday, March 18, 2020 - link
The all caps lock wall of text just screams sophistication lollordkiwi - Thursday, September 24, 2020 - link
I built a NAS using the A10-8800P this march and I love it to death. I went to build a second unit and my motherboard vendor went out of stock on the A10-8800P and offered me a free upgrade to A10N-9630E. I didnt mind the minor upgrade but one thing bothers me. using the NVMe slot disables the onboard SATA. That was not the case on the A10-8800P. Any ideas why?