actually Super flower got too expensive and ended with the G3. The G1+ and G5 are all FSP built now. It is rather hard to get Superflower units cheaply.
80 Yankee bucks for a 550W 80Plus Bronze PSU? I guess the EVGA fanboys and fangirls are drooling at the news...
For comparison: a Seasonic Focus GX500 80 Plus Gold costs about EUR 80 here in the EU. (That price includes 19% VAT, which should roughly translate to USD 75 not including VAT.) But then again, Seasonic probably has not the name recognition as EVGA, nor does the Seasonic PSU i mentioned has a 80 Plus Bronze certificartion. ;-P
Seasonic is a well-recognized named by PSU buyers in the USA. If you care enough to want a specific PSU mfg, then Seasonic is definitely a name known to you.
Of course it is. I assume most, if not all readers of this site, know Seasonic PSUs and the high product quality this brand and manufacturer stands for. I was just trying to be ironic ;-)
On a more serious note, i checked US price for the Focus GX550 on Newegg to see what it costs in the states. It's quite a bit more expensive (over USD 100) than here in the EU. I don't know, perhaps it's an effect of the US tariffs...
>80 Yankee bucks for a 550W 80Plus Bronze PSU? I guess the EVGA fanboys and fangirls are drooling at the news...
Note that current US administration has set up trade tariffs for US imports of Chinese products. If the PSU is manufactured in China, chances are EVGA is having to pay tariffs before the cargo can be offloaded onto US soil, and that cost inevitably goes back to the end-customer. Most PSUs (not just this model) have been affected by ~20% to ~30% increases in price or lack of promotions for the past year or so. It's not something we in the US have liked either since we've otherwise just barely started to enjoy a low-cost PC market last year after GPU mining craze died and such.
HP's been doing it for years on at least some of their desktops. I'm glad to see it's finally being standardized. I am a bit surprised they're going all in though; my "if anyone cared enough to update ATX" notional v.next connector was around 12 pins because it kept single 3.3/5v wires to support USB and legacy power loads; but would've had the advantage of being forward/back compatible with a 12 to 24 pin adapter plug. The use of 12V standby instead of 5V standby makes that impossible here.
With 50% (or 100% if 12Vsb can be double purposed) more power I'm hopeful that some low power mITX systems might be able to simplify wiring even more by dropping the need for a separate 4-pin 12V connector.
I am a bit concerned about what's going to happen if/when this makes its way from OEMland to consumer systems. My concern is that we're going to see a regression in efficiency; PSU makers have to use quality components to make the 3.3/5v rails to meet *0+ standards; MOBO makers I can see cheaping out on lower end models to save a buck (just like when they use a crappy decade old audio chip) and using inefficient parts that waste a decent amount of power or ones so underspecced they can't support more than 1 or 2 HDDs.
I also half-expect hybrid models that do 12VO to the mobo, but still have a few connectors for SATA strings to support the higher low voltage needs of people making large NAS systems.
The 24pin ATX cable/connector are huge and packed full of virtually unused 3.3/5v wires and grounds to support them. Back in the mid 90s when Pentium CPUs ran on 3.3v and everything else ran on 5V that power mix made a lot of sense. Today when only USB uses 5v, and 3.3v is an occasionally used option for PCIe cards (upto 10W/slot - mostly for legacy reasons - it made porting PCI cards easier) and for a few odds and ends (TPM) its a giant waste of space and resources.
-12V is even worse; it's only needed for the tiny fraction of systems that still use RS232; 99.9% of the blue wires and -12V sources in PSUs are never used for anything at all; but because the ATX spec has been largely frozen in time since the early 2000's, with only bigger 12V connectors being added for the last 15 years.
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romrunning - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Who is making this particular bronze series for EVGA?romrunning - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Also, your 2nd chart says "NZXT C-Series PSUs Connectivity Specifications"firewrath9 - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
My guess is super flower, as this looks very similar to the G3/G5 which were also OEM'd by Super Flower.Byte - Friday, March 6, 2020 - link
actually Super flower got too expensive and ended with the G3. The G1+ and G5 are all FSP built now. It is rather hard to get Superflower units cheaply.HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
80 Yankee bucks for a 550W 80Plus Bronze PSU? I guess the EVGA fanboys and fangirls are drooling at the news...For comparison: a Seasonic Focus GX500 80 Plus Gold costs about EUR 80 here in the EU. (That price includes 19% VAT, which should roughly translate to USD 75 not including VAT.) But then again, Seasonic probably has not the name recognition as EVGA, nor does the Seasonic PSU i mentioned has a 80 Plus Bronze certificartion. ;-P
HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
(I meant the Seasonic GX550 ATX 2.4, of course. Apples and apples, and all that...)romrunning - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Seasonic is a well-recognized named by PSU buyers in the USA. If you care enough to want a specific PSU mfg, then Seasonic is definitely a name known to you.HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Of course it is. I assume most, if not all readers of this site, know Seasonic PSUs and the high product quality this brand and manufacturer stands for. I was just trying to be ironic ;-)On a more serious note, i checked US price for the Focus GX550 on Newegg to see what it costs in the states. It's quite a bit more expensive (over USD 100) than here in the EU. I don't know, perhaps it's an effect of the US tariffs...
JoeyJoJo123 - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
>80 Yankee bucks for a 550W 80Plus Bronze PSU? I guess the EVGA fanboys and fangirls are drooling at the news...Note that current US administration has set up trade tariffs for US imports of Chinese products. If the PSU is manufactured in China, chances are EVGA is having to pay tariffs before the cargo can be offloaded onto US soil, and that cost inevitably goes back to the end-customer. Most PSUs (not just this model) have been affected by ~20% to ~30% increases in price or lack of promotions for the past year or so. It's not something we in the US have liked either since we've otherwise just barely started to enjoy a low-cost PC market last year after GPU mining craze died and such.
HowDoesAnyOfThisWork - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Yeah, i hypothesized in a follow-up comment about the US tariffs maybe being the reason for the price descrepancies between US and EU...ikjadoon - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Anandtech, unrelated; can we get an article about the upcoming ATX12VO specification?The 24-pin connector is dead.
5V is dead.
3.3V is dead.
At least from the PSU end. Motherboards, of course, will still convert 12V to provide for old SATA & USB devices.
https://custompc.raspberrypi.org/articles/new-psu-...
I pray to God this lands better than BTX because ATX12V is ancient & ridiculous in 2020.
ikjadoon - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Intel spec sheet: https://www.intel.com/content/dam/www/public/us/en...DanNeely - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
HP's been doing it for years on at least some of their desktops. I'm glad to see it's finally being standardized. I am a bit surprised they're going all in though; my "if anyone cared enough to update ATX" notional v.next connector was around 12 pins because it kept single 3.3/5v wires to support USB and legacy power loads; but would've had the advantage of being forward/back compatible with a 12 to 24 pin adapter plug. The use of 12V standby instead of 5V standby makes that impossible here.With 50% (or 100% if 12Vsb can be double purposed) more power I'm hopeful that some low power mITX systems might be able to simplify wiring even more by dropping the need for a separate 4-pin 12V connector.
I am a bit concerned about what's going to happen if/when this makes its way from OEMland to consumer systems. My concern is that we're going to see a regression in efficiency; PSU makers have to use quality components to make the 3.3/5v rails to meet *0+ standards; MOBO makers I can see cheaping out on lower end models to save a buck (just like when they use a crappy decade old audio chip) and using inefficient parts that waste a decent amount of power or ones so underspecced they can't support more than 1 or 2 HDDs.
I also half-expect hybrid models that do 12VO to the mobo, but still have a few connectors for SATA strings to support the higher low voltage needs of people making large NAS systems.
Korguz - Thursday, March 5, 2020 - link
" I pray to God this lands better than BTX because ATX12V is ancient & ridiculous in 2020 " how so ?DanNeely - Thursday, March 5, 2020 - link
The 24pin ATX cable/connector are huge and packed full of virtually unused 3.3/5v wires and grounds to support them. Back in the mid 90s when Pentium CPUs ran on 3.3v and everything else ran on 5V that power mix made a lot of sense. Today when only USB uses 5v, and 3.3v is an occasionally used option for PCIe cards (upto 10W/slot - mostly for legacy reasons - it made porting PCI cards easier) and for a few odds and ends (TPM) its a giant waste of space and resources.-12V is even worse; it's only needed for the tiny fraction of systems that still use RS232; 99.9% of the blue wires and -12V sources in PSUs are never used for anything at all; but because the ATX spec has been largely frozen in time since the early 2000's, with only bigger 12V connectors being added for the last 15 years.
lmcd - Thursday, March 5, 2020 - link
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