How are they doing per pixel backlighting control? A 4k microLED backlight, or the double stack LCD that's been talked about for years but AFAIK never been produced?
It probably isn't, but not everyone has the equipment to perform calibration and, to extend your question one step further out, what makes the sensor in independent calibration equipment more trustworthy than the sensor in the monitor?
I'm certainly not experienced with monitor calibration, but I'd assume that you send an independent sensor out to a well-equipped institution for recalibration every so often, but it seems that would be impractical if every monitor you have has its own sensor that needs to be sent out.
Eizo monitors with embedded colorimeters can do something called Sensor Correlation. You use a validated, high end spectrophotometer (eg. a Klein Instruments scope) and correlate the results with the results of the embedded sensor to create an offset, which you use to correct the monitor as it ages.
Oled are no longer being used as a post production monitor. For good reason really. Oled tech being developed in age of SDR caters to basically all that one would need with a Standard Dynamic Range. Now in 2020 accurate and to be called HDR needs to be utilizing at least 1000 nits to be used in post production. Panasonic has pulled LG woled panels and added cooling system and other Techniques to get more brightness from Woled tech. Still today Dual Layer LCD has been adopted as the most used for post production.
I’m not sure where you get this idea from but Sony x300 is still extremely popular for HDR and high/end SDR color grading. LG OLEDs is still popular for client TV to do Dolby Vision HDMI tunneling.
Both Sony’s x310 and Flander Scientific’s dual layer has not the market penetration the x300.
At least in the US post prod of NY and LA. And AFAIK in London also.
That's inaccurate AF. Also note there is far more to HDR than nits. That's an average joe number to get hung up in an oversimplistic "bigger means better" way that just frankly doesn't cut it when evaluating professional monitors.
Among the top 10 reference monitors w/ HDR are OLED. That said, pros have multiple monitors representing different display techs for specialized nuance with their grading.
There's no need to be a "fanboy" of a particularly display tech unless you're merely trying to enlighten how it anecdotally made your professional life easier and hope to spread the word for other pros to have similar productivity gains.
You’re not getting the fact that USB4 has TB merged in royalty free & most high-end users this monitor is for use Thunderbolt 3 for vast perf advantages.
TB isn’t as prevalent because it was a premium port that wasn’t royalty-free until its use with USB4
Also note Wacom tablets & etc have moved to USB-C connectors & so on making more practical from a UX perspective that this designer/pro centric device to use USB4
I didn’t argue about the price of TB licensing. My point is the USB ports on these kind of monitors are intended for low bandwidth peripherals. And wider adoption. Sure TB and USBC might have wider adoption in the future, but not now. If this was targeting Mac users, then that is a stronger argument. If this for Mac, HP, Dell, Boxx, Etc then I don’t think they it’s perfectly fine for USB 3.
Anyway, if you are adding TB on this, wouldn’t make more sense it be the video input port instead of just data?
No HDMI 2.1 is a huge turn-off as well; seems an awkward time to release this w/ HDMI 2.1 & Displayport 2.0 right around the corner. HDR1600 would've been nice.
99% of the time a display like this will be used with SDI. The HDMI and DP connectors are just a "nice-to-have" feature if you need to hook something up quickly, but it'll only be used with SDI in a real-world situation.
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DanNeely - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
How are they doing per pixel backlighting control? A 4k microLED backlight, or the double stack LCD that's been talked about for years but AFAIK never been produced?DanNeely - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
Hmmm a monochrome 4k OLED backlight would be an option too I suppose; and degradation there might explain the 10k hour warranty.blackadde2 - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
Dual cell LCD's have been around for a bit - the previous Eizo model (CG3145) and Flanders XM311K, for instance.Dolda2000 - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
Why is the calibration of the sensor itself more trustworthy than the calibration of the display?PeachNCream - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
It probably isn't, but not everyone has the equipment to perform calibration and, to extend your question one step further out, what makes the sensor in independent calibration equipment more trustworthy than the sensor in the monitor?Dolda2000 - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
I'm certainly not experienced with monitor calibration, but I'd assume that you send an independent sensor out to a well-equipped institution for recalibration every so often, but it seems that would be impractical if every monitor you have has its own sensor that needs to be sent out.blackadde2 - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
Eizo monitors with embedded colorimeters can do something called Sensor Correlation. You use a validated, high end spectrophotometer (eg. a Klein Instruments scope) and correlate the results with the results of the embedded sensor to create an offset, which you use to correct the monitor as it ages.Guspaz - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
In professional environments, you re-calibrate based on ambient lighting and temperature, so re-calibrating very often is a thing.BDmobb - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
Oled are no longer being used as a post production monitor. For good reason really. Oled tech being developed in age of SDR caters to basically all that one would need with a Standard Dynamic Range. Now in 2020 accurate and to be called HDR needs to be utilizing at least 1000 nits to be used in post production. Panasonic has pulled LG woled panels and added cooling system and other Techniques to get more brightness from Woled tech. Still today Dual Layer LCD has been adopted as the most used for post production.crimsonson - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
I’m not sure where you get this idea from but Sony x300 is still extremely popular for HDR and high/end SDR color grading.LG OLEDs is still popular for client TV to do Dolby Vision HDMI tunneling.
Both Sony’s x310 and Flander Scientific’s dual layer has not the market penetration the x300.
At least in the US post prod of NY and LA. And AFAIK in London also.
lilkwarrior - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
That's inaccurate AF. Also note there is far more to HDR than nits. That's an average joe number to get hung up in an oversimplistic "bigger means better" way that just frankly doesn't cut it when evaluating professional monitors.Among the top 10 reference monitors w/ HDR are OLED. That said, pros have multiple monitors representing different display techs for specialized nuance with their grading.
There's no need to be a "fanboy" of a particularly display tech unless you're merely trying to enlighten how it anecdotally made your professional life easier and hope to spread the word for other pros to have similar productivity gains.
Holliday75 - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
10ms refresh??!?!? Horrible gaming monitor! What garbage.yetanotherhuman - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
Hahahaha, this comment is so terrible I think you gave me cancerlilkwarrior - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
The USB 3.0 ports are so out-of-place for a modern display like this. It's 2020 for FFS: Use USB4 or Thunderbolt 3.crimsonson - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
USB is there for low bandwidth peripherals like control surfaces, Wacom tablets, etc.No point in doing TB when far less computers have them.
lilkwarrior - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
You’re not getting the fact that USB4 has TB merged in royalty free & most high-end users this monitor is for use Thunderbolt 3 for vast perf advantages.TB isn’t as prevalent because it was a premium port that wasn’t royalty-free until its use with USB4
lilkwarrior - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
Also note Wacom tablets & etc have moved to USB-C connectors & so on making more practical from a UX perspective that this designer/pro centric device to use USB4crimsonson - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
I didn’t argue about the price of TB licensing. My point is the USB ports on these kind of monitors are intended for low bandwidth peripherals. And wider adoption. Sure TB and USBC might have wider adoption in the future, but not now.If this was targeting Mac users, then that is a stronger argument. If this for Mac, HP, Dell, Boxx, Etc then I don’t think they it’s perfectly fine for USB 3.
Anyway, if you are adding TB on this, wouldn’t make more sense it be the video input port instead of just data?
lilkwarrior - Monday, March 2, 2020 - link
No HDMI 2.1 is a huge turn-off as well; seems an awkward time to release this w/ HDMI 2.1 & Displayport 2.0 right around the corner. HDR1600 would've been nice.cheinonen - Tuesday, March 3, 2020 - link
99% of the time a display like this will be used with SDI. The HDMI and DP connectors are just a "nice-to-have" feature if you need to hook something up quickly, but it'll only be used with SDI in a real-world situation.yetanotherhuman - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Although this isn't a monitor most of us would ever buy, at least it's interesting!