The table above is apparently compiled by Intel, not Lenovo, given that they *hide* whether they use Comet Lake or Ice Lake. Intel calls both "10th Gen", which appears to be a ploy to obscure the type of SoC - at least from the noob buyers. The reason is that Intel has fabbed very few Ice Lake parts. They're literally the tip of the iceberg of the "10th Gen" laptops.
However, since we are not noobs, we can infer that all three laptops are Comet Lake based. T14 & T15 need to be paired with the MX330 GPU, which means they have a weak iGPU, ergo the UHD 6xx crap Comet Lake and everything since Skylake has had.
T14s just doesn't have the MX330. We know that because all three laptops have DDR4 memory instead of LPDDR4. That's because Comet Lake does not support LPDDR4, while Ice Lake does. There would be absolutely no reason, and a whole lot of battery waste, to pair Ice Lake with DDR4 in a laptop.
Finally, all Ice Lake laptops have 2 Thunderbolt ports, not just 1. These are some clues that I picked with a quick look. I'm sure there are more.
Actually, Ice Lake has integrated CPU support for up to FOUR Thunderbolt ports, all at full bandwidth (not shared like when using a separate Titan Ridge chipset), it's just no PC manufacturers have yet exposed them all :-(
Which is yet another reason it would be a crying shame if these were Ice Lake with only a single TB3 port.
Last generation you could eventually get all of the same customization options on the ryzen models, but it took several months after release before they were available on their website, whereas the intel models could be customized from the beginning.
I used ThinkPad P series at work, and remember the days of real IBM ThinkPad's and since Lenovo has taken them over, they have seriously lost the quality as before. I wish they were force to remove the ThinkPad from the name. That in mind they are not as bad the IdeaPad's in quality.
A lot of thinkpads are essentially embedded computers, thin clients, appliances, or all-in-one servers. Could be a pathway to upgrading existing deployments.
I agree with you, though, that would be terrible to work on.
At my old workplace, everyone had docks and desktop monitors. The purpose of the laptop was to be portable enough to move from meeting room to meeting room, while maintaining the organization's monitoring software and anti-USB-flash-drive protocols.
wow.. he must be butt hurt about the truth, says he is ignoring it.. but STILL replies, how is that ignoring it ?
love how some people say how this site is paid by companies to review products, and how bias it is, but still come here to complain about it. if they hate it that much, why do they still come here ?
That isn't one of there feature grids, it is from Lenovo. I expect that Lenovo only released one for Intel. From another comment they may not offer all the options for Ryzen for a few months yet.
You can flip them in Vantage. I don’t, though, because I actually prefer it the way Lenovo does it. There’s a reason Lenovo kept that from the IBM days. People use CTRL a lot more than FN. By flipping them and making CTRL bigger, it shortens the distance for your pinky finger to hit CTRL. Try CTRL S and FN S on a regular laptop keyboard. It’s a lot easier hitting FN S, which is why IBM put CTRL where FN is on most other laptops.
The integrated graphics of the AMD4000 Pro outperform the Iris Pro graphics. So if the intel CPUs don't have iris pro, this means that the AMD option is quite a step up from the intel option (without nvidia of course). It is confusing to understand which 10th gen CPUs get the iris pro graphics, but I think so far only low voltage CPUs do?
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Jorgp2 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Are they Ice Lake or comet lake?jeremyshaw - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Vomit Lake.Santoval - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
The table above is apparently compiled by Intel, not Lenovo, given that they *hide* whether they use Comet Lake or Ice Lake. Intel calls both "10th Gen", which appears to be a ploy to obscure the type of SoC - at least from the noob buyers. The reason is that Intel has fabbed very few Ice Lake parts. They're literally the tip of the iceberg of the "10th Gen" laptops.However, since we are not noobs, we can infer that all three laptops are Comet Lake based. T14 & T15 need to be paired with the MX330 GPU, which means they have a weak iGPU, ergo the UHD 6xx crap Comet Lake and everything since Skylake has had.
T14s just doesn't have the MX330. We know that because all three laptops have DDR4 memory instead of LPDDR4. That's because Comet Lake does not support LPDDR4, while Ice Lake does. There would be absolutely no reason, and a whole lot of battery waste, to pair Ice Lake with DDR4 in a laptop.
Finally, all Ice Lake laptops have 2 Thunderbolt ports, not just 1. These are some clues that I picked with a quick look. I'm sure there are more.
hubick - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Actually, Ice Lake has integrated CPU support for up to FOUR Thunderbolt ports, all at full bandwidth (not shared like when using a separate Titan Ridge chipset), it's just no PC manufacturers have yet exposed them all :-(Which is yet another reason it would be a crying shame if these were Ice Lake with only a single TB3 port.
Nozuka - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
No table for the AMD versions?yannigr2 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
There is a table at notebookcheck. And what i like there is that, with the same battery, both Intel and AMD get the same battery time.SolarBear28 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
That's very encouraging. The T14s might finally deliver an AMD laptop with great battery life.The Hardcard - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Will the Ryzens have access to the 500 nit displays? Sure hope these processors are good enough to get manufacturers to attach higher-end components.quorm - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Last generation you could eventually get all of the same customization options on the ryzen models, but it took several months after release before they were available on their website, whereas the intel models could be customized from the beginning.The Hardcard - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
It’ll also be interesting if Ryzens can get into the. P-series.Xajel - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
And the X1 ExtremeHStewart - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
I used ThinkPad P series at work, and remember the days of real IBM ThinkPad's and since Lenovo has taken them over, they have seriously lost the quality as before. I wish they were force to remove the ThinkPad from the name. That in mind they are not as bad the IdeaPad's in quality.Retycint - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
Can't believe we still have 768p (HD) TN screen config in 2020, and on a $850 laptop nevertheless.I feel bad for the employees whose bosses inevitably decide to purchase the cheapest config with HD TN because it "saves money"
MadDuffy - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
A lot of thinkpads are essentially embedded computers, thin clients, appliances, or all-in-one servers. Could be a pathway to upgrading existing deployments.I agree with you, though, that would be terrible to work on.
jeremyshaw - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
At my old workplace, everyone had docks and desktop monitors. The purpose of the laptop was to be portable enough to move from meeting room to meeting room, while maintaining the organization's monitoring software and anti-USB-flash-drive protocols.maxius4 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
So Anandtech is an intel shill site now only post the intel table for an intel and amd post?DannyH246 - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
LOL - are only just realizing this? IntelTech.com has been like this for years.Korguz - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
then feel free to go some where else, and stop reading AT.DannyH246 - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
*ignoredKorguz - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
figured as much. complain how bad AT is.. but yet, still come here.DannyH246 - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
*ignoredKorguz - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
truth hurts, doesnt it danny ?DannyH246 - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
*ignoredQasar - Sunday, March 1, 2020 - link
wow.. he must be butt hurt about the truth, says he is ignoring it.. but STILL replies, how is that ignoring it ?love how some people say how this site is paid by companies to review products, and how bias it is, but still come here to complain about it. if they hate it that much, why do they still come here ?
danjw - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
That isn't one of there feature grids, it is from Lenovo. I expect that Lenovo only released one for Intel. From another comment they may not offer all the options for Ryzen for a few months yet.trickynick - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Who ever designed the keyboard on these things needs to get the sack.Having the 'Fn' button in the corner instead of 'Ctrl' was a terrible idea and is extremely frustrating.
0iron - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
I wish I could upvote your comment! On a positive side, it have dedicated PgUp/PgDn key.panzersharkcat - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
You can flip them in Vantage. I don’t, though, because I actually prefer it the way Lenovo does it. There’s a reason Lenovo kept that from the IBM days. People use CTRL a lot more than FN. By flipping them and making CTRL bigger, it shortens the distance for your pinky finger to hit CTRL. Try CTRL S and FN S on a regular laptop keyboard. It’s a lot easier hitting FN S, which is why IBM put CTRL where FN is on most other laptops.Dug - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
You can switch it in BIOS. But the shorter distance for finger is actually nicer once you get used to it.timattrn - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
The integrated graphics of the AMD4000 Pro outperform the Iris Pro graphics. So if the intel CPUs don't have iris pro, this means that the AMD option is quite a step up from the intel option (without nvidia of course). It is confusing to understand which 10th gen CPUs get the iris pro graphics, but I think so far only low voltage CPUs do?timattrn - Tuesday, February 25, 2020 - link
Modern standby ... is that new to the T series?wow&wow - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
"AMD’s Ryzen 4000 Pro CPUs or Intel’s 10th Generation Core processors"Security vulnerabilities: AMD's 16 or Intel's 245?