Well then this is big news. At least we know Nvidia is seriously testing Samsung Foundry with a shipping product. It also has the volume that Samsung Foundry desperately need.
I was wondering if they were saving all the GP107 that didn't pass QC all these years to shut down defective cores and rebrand them now as MX350, at least this answers me that they're newly manufactured :)
I think there's some confusion here. The MX350 is the same GP107 that has been around since 2016 - so this rebrand is likely either using accumulated defective dies, or unsold 1050 stock with parts fused off. Given the small size of the die and the maturity of the manufacturing process, I'd guess it's more of the latter.
I really wish the low end desktop cards get a refresh sometime. Running especially ryzen on pc's that dont need a strong gpu but do benifit from more cores or simply setups with more then 3 monitors
You can get GTX1660 or 1650 with 4 display outputs, 3x DP and 1x HDMI. That's more than enough. For more, you can go to some shitty AMD workstation card with 6 miniDP. All of these can be had for < $200-ish
I just don't think there's a good reason for either competitor to do so. AMD have gone to 7nm, which is more costly per wafer, so manufacturing low-end mass-market products on it probably doesn't make much sense right now - and neither does back-porting RDNA to an older process. Maybe in a year or two when 7nm is less in demand?
Nvidia had success rebranding Fermi and Kepler for so long that I doubt they see any reason to change that winning formula. The MX150 was a nice change in that area, and now it's on its third outing. Again, maybe once 7nm is more mature we'll see something shift.
For low end GPUs, the objective is to keep power consumption low, cost low and just enough to be ahead of any integrated GPU. There is very little incentive for them to create new low end GPUs. As you have observed, both Nvidia and AMD are doing the same of rebranding their old GPUs each year. Nvidia is somewhat under pressure to release a better GPU only because the new integrated GPUs are going to give the old GPUs a hard time.
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jimjamjamie - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Shame we are not getting Turing but still good enough to fight off Intel I suppose.P.s.- First.
PeachNCream - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
"...Intel’s 64EU Gen11 Iris Plus iGPU..."Not even sure the bar is actually that high given how uncommon Intel's faster GPUs have been in the past.
ksec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Is this the first Samsung 14nm from Nvidia?FullmetalTitan - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
First and only so farRyan Smith - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Note that GP107 and GP108 were released back in 2016. So this isn't new by any means.ksec - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Well then this is big news. At least we know Nvidia is seriously testing Samsung Foundry with a shipping product. It also has the volume that Samsung Foundry desperately need.s.yu - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
I was wondering if they were saving all the GP107 that didn't pass QC all these years to shut down defective cores and rebrand them now as MX350, at least this answers me that they're newly manufactured :)Spunjji - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link
I think there's some confusion here. The MX350 is the same GP107 that has been around since 2016 - so this rebrand is likely either using accumulated defective dies, or unsold 1050 stock with parts fused off. Given the small size of the die and the maturity of the manufacturing process, I'd guess it's more of the latter.Spunjji - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link
It's not really news though - or rather, it was 2016's news.qlum - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
I really wish the low end desktop cards get a refresh sometime. Running especially ryzen on pc's that dont need a strong gpu but do benifit from more cores or simply setups with more then 3 monitorstimecop1818 - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
You can get GTX1660 or 1650 with 4 display outputs, 3x DP and 1x HDMI. That's more than enough. For more, you can go to some shitty AMD workstation card with 6 miniDP. All of these can be had for < $200-ishSpunjji - Thursday, February 20, 2020 - link
I just don't think there's a good reason for either competitor to do so. AMD have gone to 7nm, which is more costly per wafer, so manufacturing low-end mass-market products on it probably doesn't make much sense right now - and neither does back-porting RDNA to an older process. Maybe in a year or two when 7nm is less in demand?Nvidia had success rebranding Fermi and Kepler for so long that I doubt they see any reason to change that winning formula. The MX150 was a nice change in that area, and now it's on its third outing. Again, maybe once 7nm is more mature we'll see something shift.
watzupken - Sunday, March 22, 2020 - link
For low end GPUs, the objective is to keep power consumption low, cost low and just enough to be ahead of any integrated GPU. There is very little incentive for them to create new low end GPUs. As you have observed, both Nvidia and AMD are doing the same of rebranding their old GPUs each year. Nvidia is somewhat under pressure to release a better GPU only because the new integrated GPUs are going to give the old GPUs a hard time.