...which is then 3D, unless it's curving in one of the two previously existing dimensions. Which is why this is a silly term. All it means is "bent, but not THAT bent."
The edges are so shit. I picked up my sisters OnePlus 7T Pro and looked at Chrome for 5 secs before the text going over the edges made my head spin, it's disgusting.
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The punch hole is going to be addressed with a future version. From what I understand about the Infinity-O screen, this was the revision to the technology that was supposed to have a transparent OLED screen that would have meant the camera would be directly behind the screen in its exact location, but the screen would display right over top of it when the camera was not in use. It obviously didn't make it into the final product, but that is going to be coming in a near future revision. Obviously, expect it to unveil as a feature in the Note first then trickle back down to the S devices.
Realme X is $150 USD, Pocophone F1 is $229 USD, some very decent snapdragon 600 phones are available for $50 on the used market. My LG G6 (S821) was $40 used.
These phones are increasingly chasing high-end 4K+ features that require such costs; they assume you can just buy older phones or keep your existing phones if you're fine with that quality of life.
Most in tech & professional industries comfortably afford it, leading them to be comfortable continually primarily catering to them while having the occasional much cheaper phone but apparently average joe consumers like to chase these halo products they normally can't afford via contracts.
I guess the spec war didn't die after all. Now we're going to have 4k/8k, 240hz, 512gb, 200mp cameras. Battery life lasts "ALMOST A WHOLE DAY" i.e. it's 12% after a few hours
that would be nice. You could justify it since you would not need a computer anymore.
But also your smartphone would glow like an ingot and melt your skin off. if the battery failed it would blow up your house, literally like walking around with c4 in your pocket.
You slowly increase the price of the lower end models, just after releasing the latest and greatest mobile. You increase the price of the high end, with each release, with a mid-level device also appearing. You basically market the heck out of them but concentrate on the high end (mostly).
Desire, need, want, the marketing dream making you 'think' that you NEED the top of the range (ish).
With each new model, you also drip feed technology. Step by step. No need to rush (When it comes to the camera, Huawei has obviously forced Sammy/Apple/others to increase the tech. Without that, we'd still have rubbish cams).
It's all about the cash. 4k on a screen that's the size of a mobile is... absolutely pointless (Other than to slowly move the spec forward).
People who buy via contract can almost universally afford to pay full price, since they do. In fact they will typically pay 20-30% more than full price over the course of the contract.
Do you need a flagship phone? I argue that the hardware in the Pixel 4 represents the Pinnacle of what we need for the next several years. Current mid-range offerings are benchmarking close to the Pixel 4, so maybe we start ignoring the flagships. I can afford a flagship easily, but my current phone does everything I need it to, including gaming, just fine. Qualcomm has a mid-range SoC with integrated 5G rolling out as we speak. This mid-range SoC has higher performance than my 3 year old flagship Snapdragon based phone.
I'm interested in the ultra mostly for the big leap forward in camera capability. I would argue that phone cameras will reach that 'good enough' pinnacle when they are 8k120 recording devices with pixel binned 20mp stills. That's my bar for 'good enough' on the camera front anyway, and we're not quite there, but the mid-range will get there in maybe 2 or 3 more generations. That's an improvement that offers meaningful improvement for everyday life. What they do after that will be a big question mark, but it might be that application programmers are finding more to do with endpoint AI and there may still be big leaps to be offered in that area.
This is literally iPhone levels of pricing with not even half the support, lack of vertical integration, market segmentation when it comes to chipset and an inferior App Store (while highly debatable, the Apple app store seems to be better curated than Google's Play Store). And besides the cameras, i fail to see *any* innovation or improvement over last year's flagships (screen refresh rate, high battery capacity, etc.).
5000mAh (typical) battery only available on Galaxy S20 Ultra. Galaxy S20 battery is 4000mAh (typical) and Galaxy S20+ battery is 4500mAh (typical). As for screen, they did mention on stream that it does 120 Hz and has twice the touch screen polling rate.
I have paid attention to every detail during both the launch and afterwards, reading the article and i still stand by my comment: everything that Samsung is touting as "new" is actually new for them and their products. High refresh rate screens on smartphones have been implemented in many of last years' (and not only) releases (ROG Phone, Razer Phone, etc.) and the touch screen polling rate at 240hz is also nothing new (i can't remember the exact models who have implemented it, sorry about it). Also, high capacity batteries does not equal high usage / stand-by time (I know i'm being a brat here but last year's iPhone 11 Pro has a ~3000mAh battery and is literally a champion in both usage and stand-by time).
I hope so, I hopre you're right bro. I'm plannign on buying the next top iPhone, and I really don't want it to look inferior or just equal the concurrent Androids. I've already had Android phones for 10 years (rooted, multiple ROMs, I'm (was) a linux geek), and I'd really like a super luxurious iPhone that just dematerializes the rest of the field.
He probably never had an iPhone, because nobody would buy an iPhone and then say "I couldn't stand the limited functionality of iOS." . Search eek2121 and he never mentioned it before. AMD fanboi . But I guess he would probably say you cannot choose your own launcher, or root it, or choose Chrome as your default browser, no multi-tasking and have to use iTunes to load music and a bunch of other BS like ALL Android FANBOI's seem to do.
I have an iPhone now and will be going back to android on my next upgrade. The limited functionality really only applies if you like to root your phones, which I have traditionally done. I mainly just wanted to give the iPhone a shot, and it’s fine, but not for power users.
Do you have an example of what classifies as power usage? I think iOS has become pretty capable as of late. The Shortcuts app offers some quite nice automation.
Just a comment on the battery life... I work in corporate IT, also supporting mobile devices of both Android and iOS flavors. The Androids ALWAYS have better battery life, typically by at least one day. This has been the norm for the last 5+ years. The common issue with iPhones is apps not being updated for new iOS updates which cause app crashes and hangs which gobble up the battery in just hours, even on the newest 'X' models. Most of the time when these issues pop up we have to manually back up the phones, factory reset and restore - this doesn't always work to solve the issues. Just my $0.02...
And I work in corporate IT too, and it just depends on the battery life. I've seen it go both ways. And I think you are making up the app crash part. Have no idea what you are talking about. Factory reset and restore? Never once and I am certain we have at least 500 iPhones in our shop.
OTOH, we have 5+ year old iphones and 8+ year old ipads that still have usable battery life. I was recently brought an ipad 2 that still regularly made it through a school day on a charge.
I dont see a whole lot of galaxy S3/4s out there anymore. It helps that apple has actual retail locations throughout much of the US, unlike literally any android manufacturer, so if a battery does begin to fail it can be replaced in a few hours by a professional complete with warranty, which is great for 99% of people.
> everything that Samsung is touting as "new" is actually new for them and their products.
Yeah, they are taking the Apple route in this regard. Apple will probably also introduce a periscope camera and 120hz screen in September and present them as new and innovative... I wont buy a phone until the front camera is hidden behind the screen, and probably foldable too.
While the innovation is somewhere else, yes - I like their new foldable - I find prices quite doable. Unlike with apple, most ppl dont pay this much for the Samsungs. Prices reliably and predictably go down - the S10 will be about 550 in August, as it always is. At that point, the comparison with Apple pricing which stays ridiculously high, is clearly in favor of Samsung.
That's also true. Samsung's phones have the tendency to drop down in price pretty quick while iphones keep their value for much longer. I'm currently into the iOS ecosystem, with both an iphone and a watch and i'm more than satisfied with how they work together but the main reason i chose to stick with Apple is their enhanced support and Apple Pay (which, so far, has never been compromised). If Android/Samsung pay sees a wider adoption and if they wake up with their product support duration, i'd happily switch camps.
I definitely have to disagree with the app store statement. There have been 4x more cases of me having either an app that can either accomplish a task that no app in the Apple app store can accomplish, or that I have an app that accomplishes better, than there have been the other way around with my friends and family who have iDevices. Of course occasionally there is an app that is new and is currently iOS only, or an app releases a new feature to it's iOS version before it's Android version. But again, that only happens 1/4 of the time that I find myself in a better position app-wise than an Apple user.
Pretty bad arguments overall. iPhone level of pricing, yet it's providing 120Hz, 240Hz polling rate larger battery and a new array of top-tier sensors (hardware-wise these cost a lot). These are all important features over the iPhone 11 Pro. Not to mention the S20 costs $900 for its 4G 128GB variant for all this vs. the iPhone 11 Pro's price tag of $1000 for 64GB. So it's still more reasonable despite better hardware. The 120Hz alone is a game-changing difference; to not call that an "innovation" over last year's S10, is a bit crazy, as it's perhaps the biggest generational jump in an important feature in years.
We've also known for years that the manufacturing costs warrant their price tag. In fact, Apple are the ones with the highest profit margin, by a long shot, in the smartphone market. Which means that objectively they are the ones who price themselves above their worth.
You also argue further down that other phones had it regarding it not being innovative, but that's just asinine. I bet you didn't argue about the iPhone X huge price increase over iPhone 7. I mean, after all, glass housing, bezelless design and OLED was something other phones had already given long before! Also, the other two phones were Razer and ASUS. Razer's 120Hz was stuttery and on LCD display with multitudes of other shortcomings. ASUS had 120Hz OLED and 240Hz polling rate, but third-party OLED vs. Samsung's OLED, and still lacking in many other areas of hardware.
lack of vertical integration? I assume you mean app/software being designed in house by apple?
you are using that term in a niche way that ignores a real examble of vertical integration in this very discussion.
Samsung has more supply chain integration than any other company, including all (yes. ALL) of the Chinese brands.
Even LG does not do as much as Samsung does (I don't even know for sure if LG makes their own OLED panels; TVs? Yes... Smartphones? Their market share is too small to justify making them in house when they can buy them from... honestly probably from Samsung)
The hardware value for money is a real thing.
a 5 AH battery, 16 gb ram, 512 gb UFS 3.0 flash (UFS 3.0 is way faster than Apple's current NVMe), 45 watt charging, all those cameras, TOF sensor, ultrasonic fingerprint sensor, state of the art SoC?
Apple would charge $2,200 for something like that.
LG makes their own RGB OLED panels, for smartphones, yes, but they seem to be in last place regarding QC, OTOH their WOLED panels for TVs are AFAIK the best in the industry, go figure.
At which point, those buyers will be looking at a year or less of OS upgrades. I know some people think security updates are the same (and even that is only one more year), or that going for a buggy community distro is the same as OEM support, but I think most won't agree.
Yeah, it's actually surprising to me that even with S9 implementing Project Treble (anything that ships with 8.0 Oreo; Android better separated from the lower level kernel, drivers, etc., so you only have to update the Android layer), it still took like 6 _months_ for it to get the Android 10. And it wasn't just like due to a "testing phase" with Project Treble or just cuz it's a "deprecated" phone, the S10 was the same thing. Took 5+ months to get Android 10.
So I worry a bit (not really, cuz I wanna switch after nearly 10 years of Android) that even the post Project Treble Androids _maybe_ at max get 3 major Android updates, when it used to be 2. A super failure, if it still is, when iPhones get like 5 or 6?
Definitely a valid complaint, but that's why the international versions of these phones are great, because they have unlockable bootloaders. So you can easily get security and OS updates for many years to come without relying on someone to find a security hole in the firmware, which they may or may not be able to find. And with the only downside being losing access to Samsung Pay (but keeping access to Android Pay) then it's not really much of an issue in my opinion.
have had Androids for years but have an Iphone for work which I hate due to its limitations, however whilst unlocked bootloaders and ROMs etc do exist the problem is you root a phone and its instantly barred from being able to be used with bank apps or any such secure apps, the update point is very valid but I think folks should vote with their wallet support brands that do not stay on top by building in the 2 year obsolescence of no updates because the business model depends on yearly consumer upgrades to shift massive volume, look instead at those brands that offer longer term upgrades and an Android system that is not full of bloatware, why do we need bixby? or samsung browser or the plethora of other apps provided by phone companies when googles is built in, dont like it dont buy it they will soon get the message
Actually you can use banking and secure apps! Magisk has a feature that can hide your rooted status from specific apps, so that when those apps try checking to see if you are rooted, they don't detect it. Same thing with Jailbreaking, there are apps to hide your jailbreak.
I don't think that supplying updates, especially just security and not OS/feature updates, would affect their sales. People already don't know that their 4 year old Android stopped getting security updates so that's not what is stopping them from getting a new phone. To be honest the largest factor in people buying new phones is the fact that their sealed batteries lose a bunch of life after a few years.
And since most people don't realize the security risk that their devices are, voting with a wallet just won't make manufacturers budge I'm afraid. What I would really like to see is some sort of legislation that prevents manufacturers from keeping a device's owner from seeking device updates after the manufacturer has stopped supporting the device. This would help fill a HUGE security hole in our country. Back in the "good ol' days" of rooted Android phones, you had ROM groups like CGM that made OS security updates a cinch that didn't require a computer to do. But thanks to manufacturers locking things down more and more, big groups like that have quit the game. And those that remain are only able to do it for fewer and fewer models each year.
There is an ecosystem out there that wants to fill this security gap, and a simple piece of legislation would ensure it gets filled. It wouldn't weaken security, it wouldn't cost manufacturers any money, and it wouldn't cost the government any money.
If updates and good value is important for you, you had no business buying flagship phones in the first place. I mean, the S10e while arguably a fantastic phone for its price, was still pretty expensive ($750 is a lot). Wait for the Pixel 4a. Unlike Pixel flagships, it actually is worth its price--not just that it punches above its weight. Provides smoother software but also 3 years guaranteed fast software support, has same flagship rear camera sensor (with industry leading still images) and generally features overall that make it a pretty great deal for $400. I can certainly tell you I'm excited for it as I was amazed by the 3a. Independent of price, I liked it more than my 3, to the point of having it as a daily driver. And more so than other Android phones because of its superior software.
Full disclosure: I have a soft spot for really large-screen phones, so the S20 Ultra looks enticing; the camera setup sounds great, too, just hope that Samsung will finally implement true HDR (10bit etc) video in 4K 60p with stabilization. Don't see the use of 8K right now. The biggest downside is the PRICE. Samsung (and Huawei) now form an unholy Trinity of phone makers who seem to be on a mission to start the entry price of their flagship phones firmly above 1200 dollars, Euros or pounds. I really like the Ultra, but not enough to pay a king's ransom for it. More minor downsides: no 3.5 mm connector, and a still too-small battery. IMO, once you go big (7 inches of screen!), all pretense of slim and sexy is out the window, so you might as well go all-out and put at least a 6000 mAh battery in. At that already enormous size and weight, I'd gladly take the extra 30g or whatever that would add, and get the day+ usability with it.
To be fair, Samsung has always had iPhone level "Official" Pricing. But they tends to bundle a lot of extra or you get it much cheaper in Street price.
1440P screen with 120Hz refresh rate, RIP battery.
Thank god we have Oneplus 7 and Mate 30, so I can pay $500 instead of $1200 for a solid phone with a big beautiful 1080P screen, 8 hours screen on time and excellent camera, God bless China.
BIG numbers! but that also means..bigger sensor sizes too. I'm excited, this may the biggest Samsung overhaul to a camera since a couple years back, and really are in the year for "keeping smartphones for a few years" era.
Why do people feel such horsepower and portability and high quality screens and radios should be so much cheaper? It seems most people do not want to invest good money in good product.
Is it because they (smartphones in general) are so fragile? disposable feeling?
Thankfully, Chinese manufacturers such as Xiaomi are piloting that exact ship and I'm very happy to hop on. Not to mention that Xiaomi actually has a far better track record than most international manufacturers, when it comes to software updates. If I recall correctly, one of their flagships got updates for nearly 4 years before being discontinued. Don't think Samsung can say the same, even with a $1000+ price tag
Well... Xiaomi doesn't make profit, and they're Chinese company.
Those things don't bother me at all. But I've heard they have really poor warranty support in the USA, and paying $400+ for a Chinese phone with zero warranty is not gonna work for me. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
It's the other way around for me. No way I am paying $1K for a video card. Have you heard of the obscene profit NVIDIA makes? 65% I hear. Not that I will pay that for a phone. I will wait for the price to come down. Tech companies have become extra greedy.
That obscene profit margin is normal for tech products, and most companies pursue high margin, because that how they make money and invest in new products.
You want a tech company with low margins? Go with AMD, low margins are how they got into their current situation. But even they are up to 45% average now.
high quality screens and radios should be so much cheaper? *on big brand phones.
There are so many lesser known brand that also have good quality phones. They just want a cheaper Samsung phone. OnePlus, Xiaomi, and etc have an amazing phone for the price, and also have a good community support too. I have an old low-end Xiaomi phone, I can slap Lineage OS Android 10 on it, and it's perform as good as new.
I am and have been an Android user since 2.3, but the one big thing that Apple does a lot better than pretty much any Android phone maker is the much longer-term support with OS updates. A $1500 phone that won't get much if any updates after 2-3 years of ownership is very poor value for money. If Samsung adds a legally binding commitment for no less than 3 years of guaranteed updates for OS and drivers, the value proposition might be better, but without that, no dice.
Yeah... you can use iPhone 5 to 8 years.... Android phone2 to 3 years... The difference is huge. I did buy flagship Android phone 3 years ago and it does not get any updates anymore... it is a big scam...
Sorry, but does your Android phone stop working after not getting any updates? No? Then why is it a scam? You still get 100% of the functionality that was advertised/promised at the point of purchase, and nobody is stopping you from using a phone with an older OS
I don't get the fascination with updates nowadays. Sure it is nice to get updates for a longer period, but if not then no big deal, because modern Android/iOS already has everything you need and new updates rarely bring anything new to the table. Claiming that iOS devices "can be used for longer" is simply disingenuous and fallacious
That's sort of flipping the debate on its head, because the argument here is on the phones with the latest/greatest tech. I mean obviously you want to the see the part that can still improve (software) do that.
Maybe the iOS12 -> 13 and Android 9 -> 10 updates weren't that dramatic, and I probably largely agree. But if I buy a $1k phone, not a strategic $300 vanilla Android, I want to see those major software updates, so even if my phone is 3 years old, I'm still on equal footing there.
And If I want to switch to a newer $1k phone before Apple's 5-6 years support, that should be _my_ decision. Not of the manufacturer who gave up on that "luxury" device.
"Invest" in a smartphone? Did you find anandtech by accident?
"Such horsepower"? Have you ever used a smartphone before? They're not fast. It doesn't matter how much RAM you add, it's still running Android, which can't really multi-task. Switching apps, scrolling around, making selections in webpages, selecting any text, and even typing is an absolute nightmare on Android, with each action taking a different amount of time, every single time you perform it. (I've never used an iPhone so I don't know about that, they certainly look a bit faster). Trying to do something very quickly in android is like trying to swim as fast as you can through a pile of liquid garbage and diarrhea.
If a "fast smartphone" could actually switch apps WITHOUT LAGGING, and had a 3-year motherboard warranty (DOESNT BREAK RANDOMLY) along with real portless waterproofing (only way i'd give up a headphone jack), I'd gladly pay $1000 for a model with front speakers.
Flagship phones used to cost $599, the profit margin was 50% even back then. They come with a 1 year warranty, and yet they have manufacturing defects that make them die after a few years? (LG G2, G3 and G4 were factory defective, not sure about the others). They're not even really waterproof. And it costs anywhere from $100-400+ to replace a stupid curved screen.
But most phone buyers are really paying like $200 + $70/month so they don't really care too much...
Did anyone ask for 5g? It brings nothing to the table, the mmWave only works outdoor with line of site of the tower, and who needs 1gbps speeds on a phone while they're outside? And the slower 5g is only a bit faster than lte, i see no point in 5g.
Non-5G is available for $100 less. *'line of sight'. mmWave maybe more suitable for indoor like inside buildings/malls or in a stadium. For outdoor, crowded area in cities are more suitable.
I think they're rushing out 5G purely because they're afraid China is doing it first and will surpass everyone technologically, very very quickly. It's quite pathetic, actually. China is advancing wayyy faster than we are because they have an actual stake in winning, unlike western governments.
Maybe there is some secret advantage to 5G that I don't know about, but yeah, I don't really need everything to be wireless gigabit... They could have just done this with wifi ages ago.. I guess we'll see.
Well, they are "advancing". The same way they promoted their "advanced" flying aircraft carrier back in 2012 that was a US Nimitz photo-shopped badly behind a cloud. Or their "new" technology that is cheap rip off quality of 10 year old western tech.
Their "5g" I'd happily bet is only "5G" in a few cities, int he rest it is 3g or 4g rebranded.
you can get 1Gbps+ in 3.6GHz spectrum. should also give better upload Will also make sure you get reliable speed in high density area (not necessarily the high 1gpbs speed, still equivalent to the higher speeds of LTE)
Actually, if the 20 Ultra can take 4K60p in true HDR with stabilization, I could see using the phone for frequent video shoots. Not a Red, but more at hand. Unfortunately, the Ultra's price gets close to a Red, so there's that also.
This is an apologist mentality. "It doesn't do X but why would anyone want X anyway?" I want X, almost anyone would want X. X is just hard to do. Don't make this argument.
No, it's not. If you're using the phone for anything like this, regularly copying out the video is a natural and obvious part of the workflow, both for editing and backups. Sure, 128GB would be on the low side for something that's also a daily driver phone, but ... if you're using it in a (semi-)professional capacity to record video, or even as a serious hobbyist, why would you combine your daily driver phone with your video recording device of choice? That's a recipe for making a major mess. Separate tools for separate uses, and especially separating critical tools from daily-use personal equipment makes for far less hassle, even if it means carrying more kit.
I'm never going to use any of these (the price alone makes sure of that, but thankfully I've never liked Samsung's UI or design either), but they still deserve a commendation for fitting that camera sensor in the Ultra. A 1/1.3" sensor, that's a 19.5mm diagonal across the sensor. That is HUGE. Approaching high end compact camera sensor sizes. It's just too bad the optics will, as in all phones, be rather meh.
I think the price comments are missing a point. It’s not so much the price itself, but that top end pricing is going up and up. It’s not as if each year’s smartphones are based on “how much can we cram in for $x” and x stays the same. Instead, it’s just “how much can we cram in” full stop. This wouldn’t be an issue if there wasn’t artificial segmentation tied to cheaper phones. But there is and thus the $1,000 phone is not 66% as good as the $1,500 phone, but instead artificially crippled.
Also jfc, why did I pick such a terrible screen name when I was like 15 years old?
Honestly these upgrades sounds fantastic, but I feel like--as with the Galaxy S6--Samsung is really shooting itself in the foot by, once again, removing the audio jack and microSD slot while limiting the storage to 128GB on the phones North America will be seeing. My friend who was planning to upgrade to the S20 is going to pass for those reasons alone, and I'm sure he won't be the only one.
I'm still sticking to my S8, there is nothing worth upgrading to, or rather downgrading, removing the headphone jack and notches (basically forced to have a huge number of dead pixels on your shiny new phone), and locking the bootloader are downgrades that could make the phone basically useless for me. Then the price, phones are ridiculously expensive, there is no justification for this trend given that mostly we get less features and hardly noticeable technological bump. We should vote with our wallets, and stop wasting money on these useless gadgets.
I took a look at S8 and S9 recently, and they actually look a bit BETTER than the iPhone notch design. That really took us a step back, and now holepunch is taking over from fullscreen popup-cam on chinese phones.
Dropped Oxygen sensor, 3.5mm jack. Ugliest back design, weird arse aspect ratio useless except for that shitty Social Media BS apps. And forced 5G cost non unified modem to fuck all the battery down. And then a gimmickry of the 120Hz for numbers and bs then we have the ultimate price, for a sealed phone with locked bootloader on top which will die in 2 Years.
No, absolute NO. I'm fine with my LG rooted + Notch/Hole free display and had 18:9 ratio. People will buy S10 series more, I'm very certain of that. it doesn't have this lack of jack or copy pasted Apple BS Camera Tile.
Considering that Sony's own smartphone camera implementations have been meh at best, can we even solely credit Sony for and camera wins? A good deal of the workload is in software, given the noisy nature of image sensors.
Eventually it will no longer be cool to have the latest $1000-$2000 cell phone and this nonsense will slow down. People already know they are being totaled hosed when they buy into the hype for things like this, but they do it anyway because it is still cool to have the latest thing and to talk about specs that they likely won't notice and don't even understand. Once their peers start saying "Oh wow... you actually fell for the hype and bought the S40 Max Plus Note S? You poor consumer sheep..." then maybe they'll start to wonder why they spent all that money to stare at a 6" display feeding a constant stream of advertising to their brain all day, every day for several years. /Rant
"maybe they'll start to wonder why they spent all that money to stare at a 6" display feeding a constant stream of advertising to their brain all day, every day for several years."
Trump's only hope lies (snicker) with such folks frying their brains.
I wouldn't be so sure. Talked to a consumer lately? Most of them are NOT showing signs of being less addicted. All youth talk about is YT/twitter/instagram.
Yeah they all know the prices are high, but this is the way the world is going now - the ones with actual jobs will just finance it no matter the cost - the rest of us will buy used or something.
Now it's becoming clear why these companies were trickling out and releasing all this tech so slowly... so they can wait for the next fads (Foldable? Convertible? wearables? Whatever) and try to turn that into even more $$$. Maybe they'll think of something... Christ.
I'm not American but I have such examples in my family, they make bank loans to buy smartphones and then they ask me for money, to give them from my savings. Becase they are smart CONSUMERS and I am stupid.
MOAR IZ BETTER didnt start with china/korea. Consumerism in its modern form has been around healthy as ever since the 1920s, with a 18 year break from 1929-1947. After that it reached adulthood and REALLY took off.
I laugh at 24+MP camera sensors at this physical size. The pixel density is so great that I highly doubt the optics can even resolve details that small to effectively gain anything from more pixels without using a larger sensor and greater lens surface area. Pixel binning and other optimizations can get you less noise and better low light qualities, but not larger prints or more resolving power.
hope you to purchase and review both snapdragon and exynos versions of the standard S20, which will be the option for most who don't wanna pay the exorbitant price for camera arm race nonsense, plus one S20 ultra, let's see what a behemonth it is.😁
Which is entirely the point of apple's walled garden, to lock down your choices. If you like the dinner they choose to serve you, its great. If you want to order dinner for yourself, not so much. Perfect for old-fashioned ladies who expected their husbands to order for them.
That's really not how it functions in practice. I have the S10, and although cupping my hand around the bottom speaker does change things a bit, it's not a difference that I would normally notice.
Because the "new" 5G, the mmWAVE, is only usable within line of sight within a few hundred feet. All for gigabit speeds that are pointless on a mobile device. It wont even reach across the narrow side of a football stadium!
The rest is just 4G. Nothing new here. Oh, and these new higher frequency radios suck down TONS of juice. Worthless for the majority of consumers, especially in its first iteration.
Without a word on mmWave its just a hardware revision. A substantial, big leap, of a hardware revision but still.
4k in a phone is incredibly difficult. People often forget that just because the phone in their hand has "1080p" or "1440p" or similar resolution to a TV they have owned for years and "TVs are already at 12k" or whatever, that if they took a 4-5 year old smartphone and scaled the size up to 55" diagonal, keeping pixel density constant, we would be talking about 30,000 x 16800.... literally "16,800p"
almost double the vertical and horizontal pixels of 16K, which is currently cutting edge professional video capture resolution used to make movies requiring giant piles of 12 terabyte hard drives to capture using mammoth sensors that cost like $50,000 per chip.
This is display technology from 4-5 years ago... when the first ~570 PPI screens started to come out.
Yup, definitelly would love to see a detailed "Anandtech style" comparison. I believe we won't see much diference in cpu part of the SoC, Exy will probbably be a bit faster in single-core and SD in multi-core workloads. SD could also be slightly more battery efficient, but not by much. I think the biggest difference will be in the gpu part of the story. Somehow i doubt Mali can compete with Adreno, but we'll just have to wait & see...
I donot get the 120hr display craze. All it does is eat battery life. You are fine with 60hz that too in boosted mode where 30hz under normal and update only on change during static. any thing else is either a compromise or a compromise that is a gimick
According to my sources, these are all the camera sensors used by S20/S20+/S20U. Not sure wether this info is 100% correct but i would bet my money it is...
For EU S20+ camera setup looks like this: <blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="dsJWHoc"><a href="https://imgur.com/dsJWHoc">View post on imgur.com</a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
Ugh, so many people are uncritically gawking at the 100x zoom for no reason. Any camera can do that! Just resize the image and apply some sharpening. Even Samsung's samples are very obviously disgusting. I'd be interested to see how much quality they can get out of their 5x actual zoom. And generally speaking, any photo I've ever looked at has a level of quality related to the sensor size. The new bigger sensors are promising, then, but will probably only have about 12ish MP of performance. (If the 3x3 binning mode actually takes high-quality 12MP photos, that would be good for me. I'll leave everyone else to store several megabytes of mush in their photos.)
I played a lot with S20+ demo unit and I can say there is a HUGE improvment in photo quality comparing to my S10+ Exynos version. What we get on S20+? Everyting that was flawed on S10+ was fixed, the speed, the noise, lack of texture detail, occasionaly limited dynamic range, Night Mode is 10 times better on the S20+. It's absolutely amazing how many elements of cameras has been made even better. But... yes. There's a 'but". Front facing camera is a MESS. You will see why in upcoming reviews. I am really happy that S20Ultra uses different senser than S20 and S20+.
Android fanboys: Flip phones are way ahead of iPhone tech. Why isn't Apple following suit? iPhone users: Flip phones don't work well and breaks down and full of bugs. Android fanboys: But the phone flips and iPhone can't. iPhone users: OK. You got us!!!
What I am really, really, really excited about vis-a-vis this generation is the improvements to the display technology. Looking forward an iteration or two, I want to see the Tab S8 able to link with a Note via DeX and treat the Tab as a mobile smart display.
If the partnership between Microsoft and Samsung flourishes further, it would be FANTASTIC if the Tab eventually becomes a mobile second monitor for the Surface as well as an independent tablet device as well as a touch-enabled peripheral for DeX as well as a notebook for working with a paired Galaxy device. If that Tab is 13.3" or 15.6" (larger loses portability) 120Hz QLED display with an improved onboard battery to get "hours" of use, the Tab would potentially tie the entire Galaxy device ecosystem together. Samsung should make it become a mobile hub for everything else.
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fred666 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
so they still have curved "edge" displays?stanleyipkiss - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Yes. All of them. Just slightly smaller radii.sonny73n - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
That’s one of the dumbest features they called 2.5D and I don’t even know what’s 2.5 dimension supposed to be.Another stupid design is the punch hole right in the display. The idiots are really out of ideas.
I wouldn’t pay $500 for these, let alone 1000+.
YesYesNo - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Interesting story.loller86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I think 2.5D just means a curved 2D.Valantar - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
...which is then 3D, unless it's curving in one of the two previously existing dimensions. Which is why this is a silly term. All it means is "bent, but not THAT bent."surt - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
It's not being called 3d because there is no actual 3d projection, it's a bent plane as opposed to a true 3d holographic.djayjp - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
And bent into which dimension, surt? Answer: the third dimension.niva - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
No brah, the two point fifth dimension.chipped - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
The edges are so shit. I picked up my sisters OnePlus 7T Pro and looked at Chrome for 5 secs before the text going over the edges made my head spin, it's disgusting.harleywaters12 - Friday, March 27, 2020 - link
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back2future - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Might be somekind of wide-angle sensor technology development (,but is it input only or output/display only)?s.yu - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
No, 2.5D means a planar screen with the edge of the cover glass ground into a curve, I don't think there are 2.5D screens anymore.k.alan.bates - Wednesday, March 11, 2020 - link
The punch hole is going to be addressed with a future version. From what I understand about the Infinity-O screen, this was the revision to the technology that was supposed to have a transparent OLED screen that would have meant the camera would be directly behind the screen in its exact location, but the screen would display right over top of it when the camera was not in use. It obviously didn't make it into the final product, but that is going to be coming in a near future revision. Obviously, expect it to unveil as a feature in the Note first then trickle back down to the S devices.YB1064 - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Is the "TOF sensor" merely a LIDAR?mooninite - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Price is ridiculous. Especially for those of us that pay for phones in full. I expect we'll have to pay $2000 for a flagship within the next 5 years.willis936 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
The Galaxy Fold already exists.Zingam - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
You can always buy cheap. Cheap is good.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Realme X is $150 USD, Pocophone F1 is $229 USD, some very decent snapdragon 600 phones are available for $50 on the used market. My LG G6 (S821) was $40 used.lilkwarrior - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
These phones are increasingly chasing high-end 4K+ features that require such costs; they assume you can just buy older phones or keep your existing phones if you're fine with that quality of life.Most in tech & professional industries comfortably afford it, leading them to be comfortable continually primarily catering to them while having the occasional much cheaper phone but apparently average joe consumers like to chase these halo products they normally can't afford via contracts.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I guess the spec war didn't die after all. Now we're going to have 4k/8k, 240hz, 512gb, 200mp cameras. Battery life lasts "ALMOST A WHOLE DAY" i.e. it's 12% after a few hoursmonglerbongler - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
that would be nice. You could justify it since you would not need a computer anymore.But also your smartphone would glow like an ingot and melt your skin off. if the battery failed it would blow up your house, literally like walking around with c4 in your pocket.
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Nah.You slowly increase the price of the lower end models, just after releasing the latest and greatest mobile. You increase the price of the high end, with each release, with a mid-level device also appearing. You basically market the heck out of them but concentrate on the high end (mostly).
Desire, need, want, the marketing dream making you 'think' that you NEED the top of the range (ish).
With each new model, you also drip feed technology. Step by step. No need to rush (When it comes to the camera, Huawei has obviously forced Sammy/Apple/others to increase the tech. Without that, we'd still have rubbish cams).
It's all about the cash. 4k on a screen that's the size of a mobile is... absolutely pointless (Other than to slowly move the spec forward).
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
What?surt - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
4k has a very noticeable difference in quality for 4k content because it removes the scaler. Anything beyond 4k is nonsense.Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Hear-hear!eek2121 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I work in the tech industry, you would be surprised at how conservative we are. If something works, we keep it.surt - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
People who buy via contract can almost universally afford to pay full price, since they do. In fact they will typically pay 20-30% more than full price over the course of the contract.Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
So the usual whales will buy no matter the price.eek2121 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Do you need a flagship phone? I argue that the hardware in the Pixel 4 represents the Pinnacle of what we need for the next several years. Current mid-range offerings are benchmarking close to the Pixel 4, so maybe we start ignoring the flagships. I can afford a flagship easily, but my current phone does everything I need it to, including gaming, just fine. Qualcomm has a mid-range SoC with integrated 5G rolling out as we speak. This mid-range SoC has higher performance than my 3 year old flagship Snapdragon based phone.surt - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
I'm interested in the ultra mostly for the big leap forward in camera capability. I would argue that phone cameras will reach that 'good enough' pinnacle when they are 8k120 recording devices with pixel binned 20mp stills. That's my bar for 'good enough' on the camera front anyway, and we're not quite there, but the mid-range will get there in maybe 2 or 3 more generations. That's an improvement that offers meaningful improvement for everyday life. What they do after that will be a big question mark, but it might be that application programmers are finding more to do with endpoint AI and there may still be big leaps to be offered in that area.ET - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
That's the price of trying to offer meaningful upgrades. Over the years flagships serve fewer and fewer users.liquid_c - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
This is literally iPhone levels of pricing with not even half the support, lack of vertical integration, market segmentation when it comes to chipset and an inferior App Store (while highly debatable, the Apple app store seems to be better curated than Google's Play Store). And besides the cameras, i fail to see *any* innovation or improvement over last year's flagships (screen refresh rate, high battery capacity, etc.).Mavendependency - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
5000mAh (typical) battery only available on Galaxy S20 Ultra. Galaxy S20 battery is 4000mAh (typical) and Galaxy S20+ battery is 4500mAh (typical).As for screen, they did mention on stream that it does 120 Hz and has twice the touch screen polling rate.
liquid_c - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I have paid attention to every detail during both the launch and afterwards, reading the article and i still stand by my comment: everything that Samsung is touting as "new" is actually new for them and their products. High refresh rate screens on smartphones have been implemented in many of last years' (and not only) releases (ROG Phone, Razer Phone, etc.) and the touch screen polling rate at 240hz is also nothing new (i can't remember the exact models who have implemented it, sorry about it).Also, high capacity batteries does not equal high usage / stand-by time (I know i'm being a brat here but last year's iPhone 11 Pro has a ~3000mAh battery and is literally a champion in both usage and stand-by time).
loller86 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I hope so, I hopre you're right bro. I'm plannign on buying the next top iPhone, and I really don't want it to look inferior or just equal the concurrent Androids. I've already had Android phones for 10 years (rooted, multiple ROMs, I'm (was) a linux geek), and I'd really like a super luxurious iPhone that just dematerializes the rest of the field.eek2121 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
My iPhone XS Max had amazing battery life. A part of me regrets trading it in, but I couldn't stand the limited functionality of iOS.loller86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
What was limited in the XS Max?Featherinmycap - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
He probably never had an iPhone, because nobody would buy an iPhone and then say "I couldn't stand the limited functionality of iOS." . Search eek2121 and he never mentioned it before. AMD fanboi . But I guess he would probably say you cannot choose your own launcher, or root it, or choose Chrome as your default browser, no multi-tasking and have to use iTunes to load music and a bunch of other BS like ALL Android FANBOI's seem to do.neonoggie - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
I have an iPhone now and will be going back to android on my next upgrade. The limited functionality really only applies if you like to root your phones, which I have traditionally done. I mainly just wanted to give the iPhone a shot, and it’s fine, but not for power users.star-affinity - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Do you have an example of what classifies as power usage? I think iOS has become pretty capable as of late. The Shortcuts app offers some quite nice automation.Drkrieger01 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Just a comment on the battery life... I work in corporate IT, also supporting mobile devices of both Android and iOS flavors. The Androids ALWAYS have better battery life, typically by at least one day. This has been the norm for the last 5+ years. The common issue with iPhones is apps not being updated for new iOS updates which cause app crashes and hangs which gobble up the battery in just hours, even on the newest 'X' models. Most of the time when these issues pop up we have to manually back up the phones, factory reset and restore - this doesn't always work to solve the issues. Just my $0.02...Featherinmycap - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
And I work in corporate IT too, and it just depends on the battery life. I've seen it go both ways. And I think you are making up the app crash part. Have no idea what you are talking about. Factory reset and restore? Never once and I am certain we have at least 500 iPhones in our shop.TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
OTOH, we have 5+ year old iphones and 8+ year old ipads that still have usable battery life. I was recently brought an ipad 2 that still regularly made it through a school day on a charge.I dont see a whole lot of galaxy S3/4s out there anymore. It helps that apple has actual retail locations throughout much of the US, unlike literally any android manufacturer, so if a battery does begin to fail it can be replaced in a few hours by a professional complete with warranty, which is great for 99% of people.
Irish910 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
You must be high or something.jospoortvliet - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
> everything that Samsung is touting as "new" is actually new for them and their products.Yeah, they are taking the Apple route in this regard. Apple will probably also introduce a periscope camera and 120hz screen in September and present them as new and innovative... I wont buy a phone until the front camera is hidden behind the screen, and probably foldable too.
While the innovation is somewhere else, yes - I like their new foldable - I find prices quite doable. Unlike with apple, most ppl dont pay this much for the Samsungs. Prices reliably and predictably go down - the S10 will be about 550 in August, as it always is. At that point, the comparison with Apple pricing which stays ridiculously high, is clearly in favor of Samsung.
liquid_c - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
That's also true. Samsung's phones have the tendency to drop down in price pretty quick while iphones keep their value for much longer. I'm currently into the iOS ecosystem, with both an iphone and a watch and i'm more than satisfied with how they work together but the main reason i chose to stick with Apple is their enhanced support and Apple Pay (which, so far, has never been compromised). If Android/Samsung pay sees a wider adoption and if they wake up with their product support duration, i'd happily switch camps.loller86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Most else is better on Samsungs?BenSkywalker - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Curated isn't necessarily better, Nazi Germany's libraries were heavily curated, anyone think that made them better?No, I'm not comparing them, just pointing out that curated can be just as bad, if not worse, than non curated.
Freakie - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I definitely have to disagree with the app store statement. There have been 4x more cases of me having either an app that can either accomplish a task that no app in the Apple app store can accomplish, or that I have an app that accomplishes better, than there have been the other way around with my friends and family who have iDevices. Of course occasionally there is an app that is new and is currently iOS only, or an app releases a new feature to it's iOS version before it's Android version. But again, that only happens 1/4 of the time that I find myself in a better position app-wise than an Apple user.yes_bro5 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Pretty bad arguments overall. iPhone level of pricing, yet it's providing 120Hz, 240Hz polling rate larger battery and a new array of top-tier sensors (hardware-wise these cost a lot). These are all important features over the iPhone 11 Pro. Not to mention the S20 costs $900 for its 4G 128GB variant for all this vs. the iPhone 11 Pro's price tag of $1000 for 64GB. So it's still more reasonable despite better hardware. The 120Hz alone is a game-changing difference; to not call that an "innovation" over last year's S10, is a bit crazy, as it's perhaps the biggest generational jump in an important feature in years.We've also known for years that the manufacturing costs warrant their price tag. In fact, Apple are the ones with the highest profit margin, by a long shot, in the smartphone market. Which means that objectively they are the ones who price themselves above their worth.
You also argue further down that other phones had it regarding it not being innovative, but that's just asinine. I bet you didn't argue about the iPhone X huge price increase over iPhone 7. I mean, after all, glass housing, bezelless design and OLED was something other phones had already given long before! Also, the other two phones were Razer and ASUS. Razer's 120Hz was stuttery and on LCD display with multitudes of other shortcomings. ASUS had 120Hz OLED and 240Hz polling rate, but third-party OLED vs. Samsung's OLED, and still lacking in many other areas of hardware.
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Samsung probably only updated the camera to compete with Huawei (and the fact that apple finally caught up).monglerbongler - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
lack of vertical integration? I assume you mean app/software being designed in house by apple?you are using that term in a niche way that ignores a real examble of vertical integration in this very discussion.
Samsung has more supply chain integration than any other company, including all (yes. ALL) of the Chinese brands.
Even LG does not do as much as Samsung does (I don't even know for sure if LG makes their own OLED panels; TVs? Yes... Smartphones? Their market share is too small to justify making them in house when they can buy them from... honestly probably from Samsung)
The hardware value for money is a real thing.
a 5 AH battery, 16 gb ram, 512 gb UFS 3.0 flash (UFS 3.0 is way faster than Apple's current NVMe), 45 watt charging, all those cameras, TOF sensor, ultrasonic fingerprint sensor, state of the art SoC?
Apple would charge $2,200 for something like that.
s.yu - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
LG makes their own RGB OLED panels, for smartphones, yes, but they seem to be in last place regarding QC, OTOH their WOLED panels for TVs are AFAIK the best in the industry, go figure.B3an - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Joke prices. I can afford it but i refuse to be cucked by these clowns. Looks like my S9+ will be my last Samsung phone.Makaveli - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Or just wait until the S21 or S30 is out and buy the S20 as the price drops you can wait a year no?jeremyshaw - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
At which point, those buyers will be looking at a year or less of OS upgrades. I know some people think security updates are the same (and even that is only one more year), or that going for a buggy community distro is the same as OEM support, but I think most won't agree.loller86 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Yeah, it's actually surprising to me that even with S9 implementing Project Treble (anything that ships with 8.0 Oreo; Android better separated from the lower level kernel, drivers, etc., so you only have to update the Android layer), it still took like 6 _months_ for it to get the Android 10. And it wasn't just like due to a "testing phase" with Project Treble or just cuz it's a "deprecated" phone, the S10 was the same thing. Took 5+ months to get Android 10.So I worry a bit (not really, cuz I wanna switch after nearly 10 years of Android) that even the post Project Treble Androids _maybe_ at max get 3 major Android updates, when it used to be 2. A super failure, if it still is, when iPhones get like 5 or 6?
Freakie - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Definitely a valid complaint, but that's why the international versions of these phones are great, because they have unlockable bootloaders. So you can easily get security and OS updates for many years to come without relying on someone to find a security hole in the firmware, which they may or may not be able to find. And with the only downside being losing access to Samsung Pay (but keeping access to Android Pay) then it's not really much of an issue in my opinion.alufan - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
have had Androids for years but have an Iphone for work which I hate due to its limitations, however whilst unlocked bootloaders and ROMs etc do exist the problem is you root a phone and its instantly barred from being able to be used with bank apps or any such secure apps, the update point is very valid but I think folks should vote with their wallet support brands that do not stay on top by building in the 2 year obsolescence of no updates because the business model depends on yearly consumer upgrades to shift massive volume, look instead at those brands that offer longer term upgrades and an Android system that is not full of bloatware, why do we need bixby? or samsung browser or the plethora of other apps provided by phone companies when googles is built in, dont like it dont buy it they will soon get the messageloller86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
What are some of the annoying iPhone limitations?Freakie - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Actually you can use banking and secure apps! Magisk has a feature that can hide your rooted status from specific apps, so that when those apps try checking to see if you are rooted, they don't detect it. Same thing with Jailbreaking, there are apps to hide your jailbreak.I don't think that supplying updates, especially just security and not OS/feature updates, would affect their sales. People already don't know that their 4 year old Android stopped getting security updates so that's not what is stopping them from getting a new phone. To be honest the largest factor in people buying new phones is the fact that their sealed batteries lose a bunch of life after a few years.
And since most people don't realize the security risk that their devices are, voting with a wallet just won't make manufacturers budge I'm afraid. What I would really like to see is some sort of legislation that prevents manufacturers from keeping a device's owner from seeking device updates after the manufacturer has stopped supporting the device. This would help fill a HUGE security hole in our country. Back in the "good ol' days" of rooted Android phones, you had ROM groups like CGM that made OS security updates a cinch that didn't require a computer to do. But thanks to manufacturers locking things down more and more, big groups like that have quit the game. And those that remain are only able to do it for fewer and fewer models each year.
There is an ecosystem out there that wants to fill this security gap, and a simple piece of legislation would ensure it gets filled. It wouldn't weaken security, it wouldn't cost manufacturers any money, and it wouldn't cost the government any money.
yes_bro5 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
If updates and good value is important for you, you had no business buying flagship phones in the first place. I mean, the S10e while arguably a fantastic phone for its price, was still pretty expensive ($750 is a lot). Wait for the Pixel 4a. Unlike Pixel flagships, it actually is worth its price--not just that it punches above its weight. Provides smoother software but also 3 years guaranteed fast software support, has same flagship rear camera sensor (with industry leading still images) and generally features overall that make it a pretty great deal for $400. I can certainly tell you I'm excited for it as I was amazed by the 3a. Independent of price, I liked it more than my 3, to the point of having it as a daily driver. And more so than other Android phones because of its superior software.JoeyJoJo123 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Based. *dabs on Samsung*eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Full disclosure: I have a soft spot for really large-screen phones, so the S20 Ultra looks enticing; the camera setup sounds great, too, just hope that Samsung will finally implement true HDR (10bit etc) video in 4K 60p with stabilization. Don't see the use of 8K right now.The biggest downside is the PRICE. Samsung (and Huawei) now form an unholy Trinity of phone makers who seem to be on a mission to start the entry price of their flagship phones firmly above 1200 dollars, Euros or pounds. I really like the Ultra, but not enough to pay a king's ransom for it.
More minor downsides: no 3.5 mm connector, and a still too-small battery. IMO, once you go big (7 inches of screen!), all pretense of slim and sexy is out the window, so you might as well go all-out and put at least a 6000 mAh battery in. At that already enormous size and weight, I'd gladly take the extra 30g or whatever that would add, and get the day+ usability with it.
eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
The unholy Trinity of price pushers includes, of cause, Apple.Damn lack of an edit function.
ingwe - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Yeah I am not really seeing the value proposition at all. But then again I am still using an iPhone SE so I am probably not their target market.ksec - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
To be fair, Samsung has always had iPhone level "Official" Pricing. But they tends to bundle a lot of extra or you get it much cheaper in Street price.airdrifting - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
1440P screen with 120Hz refresh rate, RIP battery.Thank god we have Oneplus 7 and Mate 30, so I can pay $500 instead of $1200 for a solid phone with a big beautiful 1080P screen, 8 hours screen on time and excellent camera, God bless China.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
1440p 120hz should have been a standard for gaming PC monitors a long time ago.lutenic - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
its not 120Hz at 1440p. 120Hz is locked to 1080p only. If you set screen resolution to 1440p the refresh rate will come down to 60Hz only.zeeBomb - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
BIG numbers! but that also means..bigger sensor sizes too. I'm excited, this may the biggest Samsung overhaul to a camera since a couple years back, and really are in the year for "keeping smartphones for a few years" era.maroon1 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Lack of audio jack is deal breakerkliend - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Why do people feel such horsepower and portability and high quality screens and radios should be so much cheaper? It seems most people do not want to invest good money in good product.Is it because they (smartphones in general) are so fragile? disposable feeling?
mooninite - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Your $1000 "investment" is only buying a 1 year warranty and 2 or 3 years of software support. I demand more for my money.Makaveli - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Everyone wants the best tech but doesn't want to pay for it. They want flagship phones for $500 but that ship has sales along time ago.Retycint - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Thankfully, Chinese manufacturers such as Xiaomi are piloting that exact ship and I'm very happy to hop on. Not to mention that Xiaomi actually has a far better track record than most international manufacturers, when it comes to software updates. If I recall correctly, one of their flagships got updates for nearly 4 years before being discontinued. Don't think Samsung can say the same, even with a $1000+ price tagflyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Well... Xiaomi doesn't make profit, and they're Chinese company.Those things don't bother me at all. But I've heard they have really poor warranty support in the USA, and paying $400+ for a Chinese phone with zero warranty is not gonna work for me. Can anyone confirm or deny this?
Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Bloody ships again!flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
What.. does that even mean?Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
NO! Not everybody wants "flagship" smartphones. We want FLAGSHIPS! And you better learn how to WorShip!Alistair - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
yes they are fragile and disposable, and the battery dies in 1.5 years pretty much, if you use it a loti can even understand spending $1000 for a gaming video card, but for a phone? nope
i will wait for reviews of the new camera though to see if it is just marketing or actually majorly improved
lopri - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
It's the other way around for me. No way I am paying $1K for a video card. Have you heard of the obscene profit NVIDIA makes? 65% I hear. Not that I will pay that for a phone. I will wait for the price to come down. Tech companies have become extra greedy.TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
That obscene profit margin is normal for tech products, and most companies pursue high margin, because that how they make money and invest in new products.You want a tech company with low margins? Go with AMD, low margins are how they got into their current situation. But even they are up to 45% average now.
Fritzkier - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
high quality screens and radios should be so much cheaper? *on big brand phones.There are so many lesser known brand that also have good quality phones. They just want a cheaper Samsung phone. OnePlus, Xiaomi, and etc have an amazing phone for the price, and also have a good community support too. I have an old low-end Xiaomi phone, I can slap Lineage OS Android 10 on it, and it's perform as good as new.
eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I am and have been an Android user since 2.3, but the one big thing that Apple does a lot better than pretty much any Android phone maker is the much longer-term support with OS updates. A $1500 phone that won't get much if any updates after 2-3 years of ownership is very poor value for money. If Samsung adds a legally binding commitment for no less than 3 years of guaranteed updates for OS and drivers, the value proposition might be better, but without that, no dice.haukionkannel - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Yeah... you can use iPhone 5 to 8 years.... Android phone2 to 3 years... The difference is huge.I did buy flagship Android phone 3 years ago and it does not get any updates anymore... it is a big scam...
Retycint - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Sorry, but does your Android phone stop working after not getting any updates? No? Then why is it a scam? You still get 100% of the functionality that was advertised/promised at the point of purchase, and nobody is stopping you from using a phone with an older OSI don't get the fascination with updates nowadays. Sure it is nice to get updates for a longer period, but if not then no big deal, because modern Android/iOS already has everything you need and new updates rarely bring anything new to the table. Claiming that iOS devices "can be used for longer" is simply disingenuous and fallacious
loller86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
That's sort of flipping the debate on its head, because the argument here is on the phones with the latest/greatest tech. I mean obviously you want to the see the part that can still improve (software) do that.Maybe the iOS12 -> 13 and Android 9 -> 10 updates weren't that dramatic, and I probably largely agree. But if I buy a $1k phone, not a strategic $300 vanilla Android, I want to see those major software updates, so even if my phone is 3 years old, I'm still on equal footing there.
And If I want to switch to a newer $1k phone before Apple's 5-6 years support, that should be _my_ decision. Not of the manufacturer who gave up on that "luxury" device.
Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
He wrote "poor value for money", NOT scam. But I guess you are on the right track when you think about scams, robberies and things like that :)flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
"Invest" in a smartphone? Did you find anandtech by accident?"Such horsepower"? Have you ever used a smartphone before? They're not fast. It doesn't matter how much RAM you add, it's still running Android, which can't really multi-task. Switching apps, scrolling around, making selections in webpages, selecting any text, and even typing is an absolute nightmare on Android, with each action taking a different amount of time, every single time you perform it. (I've never used an iPhone so I don't know about that, they certainly look a bit faster). Trying to do something very quickly in android is like trying to swim as fast as you can through a pile of liquid garbage and diarrhea.
If a "fast smartphone" could actually switch apps WITHOUT LAGGING, and had a 3-year motherboard warranty (DOESNT BREAK RANDOMLY) along with real portless waterproofing (only way i'd give up a headphone jack), I'd gladly pay $1000 for a model with front speakers.
Flagship phones used to cost $599, the profit margin was 50% even back then.
They come with a 1 year warranty, and yet they have manufacturing defects that make them die after a few years? (LG G2, G3 and G4 were factory defective, not sure about the others).
They're not even really waterproof. And it costs anywhere from $100-400+ to replace a stupid curved screen.
But most phone buyers are really paying like $200 + $70/month so they don't really care too much...
eek2121 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I have no performance issues on my device.krutou - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Everyone crying about pricing is completely forgetting that the S20 line has 5G, whereas the iPhone 11s doesn't.shabby - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Did anyone ask for 5g? It brings nothing to the table, the mmWave only works outdoor with line of site of the tower, and who needs 1gbps speeds on a phone while they're outside?And the slower 5g is only a bit faster than lte, i see no point in 5g.
Alistair - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
exactly, i wanted a 120hz version of the s10e with a more reasonable battery size, and the new phone is $300 more... gross0iron - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Non-5G is available for $100 less.*'line of sight'. mmWave maybe more suitable for indoor like inside buildings/malls or in a stadium. For outdoor, crowded area in cities are more suitable.
Dr. Swag - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Non-5g is not available in the US. And it'd still be insane for the non-plus model to already start at $899flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I think they're rushing out 5G purely because they're afraid China is doing it first and will surpass everyone technologically, very very quickly. It's quite pathetic, actually. China is advancing wayyy faster than we are because they have an actual stake in winning, unlike western governments.Maybe there is some secret advantage to 5G that I don't know about, but yeah, I don't really need everything to be wireless gigabit... They could have just done this with wifi ages ago.. I guess we'll see.
TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Well, they are "advancing". The same way they promoted their "advanced" flying aircraft carrier back in 2012 that was a US Nimitz photo-shopped badly behind a cloud. Or their "new" technology that is cheap rip off quality of 10 year old western tech.Their "5g" I'd happily bet is only "5G" in a few cities, int he rest it is 3g or 4g rebranded.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
My LTE hit 250mbps down on Bell Canada, not sure how normal that isbrbReadingStuff - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
you can get 1Gbps+ in 3.6GHz spectrum.should also give better upload
Will also make sure you get reliable speed in high density area (not necessarily the high 1gpbs speed, still equivalent to the higher speeds of LTE)
yannigr2 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Walking in the street with 1500 euros in my pocket. No thanks.eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
What? No love for the pickpockets? They need those expensive phones to make it pay!willis936 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Even a very modest 50 Mbps for 8K30 would fill that 128 GB of storage in less than 6 hours.Valantar - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
... and you tend to record hours of video on your phone on a regular basis?shabby - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
It'll fill up quickly over time, i got the 512gb s10 and its half full already, 120gb of videos.eek2121 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I have a 256 gb sd card in my phone. Not even 1/4th the way full, though I use cloud storage.eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Actually, if the 20 Ultra can take 4K60p in true HDR with stabilization, I could see using the phone for frequent video shoots. Not a Red, but more at hand. Unfortunately, the Ultra's price gets close to a Red, so there's that also.willis936 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
This is an apologist mentality. "It doesn't do X but why would anyone want X anyway?" I want X, almost anyone would want X. X is just hard to do. Don't make this argument.Valantar - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
No, it's not. If you're using the phone for anything like this, regularly copying out the video is a natural and obvious part of the workflow, both for editing and backups. Sure, 128GB would be on the low side for something that's also a daily driver phone, but ... if you're using it in a (semi-)professional capacity to record video, or even as a serious hobbyist, why would you combine your daily driver phone with your video recording device of choice? That's a recipe for making a major mess. Separate tools for separate uses, and especially separating critical tools from daily-use personal equipment makes for far less hassle, even if it means carrying more kit.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
His phone has 7 fucking cameras on it dude, come on now.Valantar - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I'm never going to use any of these (the price alone makes sure of that, but thankfully I've never liked Samsung's UI or design either), but they still deserve a commendation for fitting that camera sensor in the Ultra. A 1/1.3" sensor, that's a 19.5mm diagonal across the sensor. That is HUGE. Approaching high end compact camera sensor sizes. It's just too bad the optics will, as in all phones, be rather meh.noobmurderer - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I think the price comments are missing a point. It’s not so much the price itself, but that top end pricing is going up and up. It’s not as if each year’s smartphones are based on “how much can we cram in for $x” and x stays the same. Instead, it’s just “how much can we cram in” full stop. This wouldn’t be an issue if there wasn’t artificial segmentation tied to cheaper phones. But there is and thus the $1,000 phone is not 66% as good as the $1,500 phone, but instead artificially crippled.Also jfc, why did I pick such a terrible screen name when I was like 15 years old?
kliend - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
hahahahaha xDMay as well make a new account?
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I honestly did not even make the connection of "one who murders noobs" and just assumed you were an actual murderer.Dizoja86 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Honestly these upgrades sounds fantastic, but I feel like--as with the Galaxy S6--Samsung is really shooting itself in the foot by, once again, removing the audio jack and microSD slot while limiting the storage to 128GB on the phones North America will be seeing. My friend who was planning to upgrade to the S20 is going to pass for those reasons alone, and I'm sure he won't be the only one.eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
If the S20 doesn't have microSD support, it's DoA for me anyway, regardless of pricing.Andrei, your table lists the S20 with microSD support for all models. Can you confirm or correct? Thanks!
YesYesNo - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
According to their announcement they have microsd support.No idea what Dizoja86 is talking about.
Dizoja86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I was going off the spec list, which made it look like the LTE models would have a MicroSD slot but the 5G models would not."5G = 128 GB
LTE = 128 GB + mSD"
Valantar - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
5G antennas probably need the space that the uSD slot would otherwise take up.Xex360 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I'm still sticking to my S8, there is nothing worth upgrading to, or rather downgrading, removing the headphone jack and notches (basically forced to have a huge number of dead pixels on your shiny new phone), and locking the bootloader are downgrades that could make the phone basically useless for me.Then the price, phones are ridiculously expensive, there is no justification for this trend given that mostly we get less features and hardly noticeable technological bump.
We should vote with our wallets, and stop wasting money on these useless gadgets.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I took a look at S8 and S9 recently, and they actually look a bit BETTER than the iPhone notch design. That really took us a step back, and now holepunch is taking over from fullscreen popup-cam on chinese phones.Quantumz0d - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Dropped Oxygen sensor, 3.5mm jack. Ugliest back design, weird arse aspect ratio useless except for that shitty Social Media BS apps. And forced 5G cost non unified modem to fuck all the battery down. And then a gimmickry of the 120Hz for numbers and bs then we have the ultimate price, for a sealed phone with locked bootloader on top which will die in 2 Years.No, absolute NO. I'm fine with my LG rooted + Notch/Hole free display and had 18:9 ratio. People will buy S10 series more, I'm very certain of that. it doesn't have this lack of jack or copy pasted Apple BS Camera Tile.
flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Which LG?FunBunny2 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
lots of gushing about cameras, but nothing about sourcing?? are these bought-in from Sony, et al? made by Samsung? does Sammy deserve credit?jeremyshaw - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Considering that Sony's own smartphone camera implementations have been meh at best, can we even solely credit Sony for and camera wins? A good deal of the workload is in software, given the noisy nature of image sensors.ozzuneoj86 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
Eventually it will no longer be cool to have the latest $1000-$2000 cell phone and this nonsense will slow down. People already know they are being totaled hosed when they buy into the hype for things like this, but they do it anyway because it is still cool to have the latest thing and to talk about specs that they likely won't notice and don't even understand. Once their peers start saying "Oh wow... you actually fell for the hype and bought the S40 Max Plus Note S? You poor consumer sheep..." then maybe they'll start to wonder why they spent all that money to stare at a 6" display feeding a constant stream of advertising to their brain all day, every day for several years. /RantFunBunny2 - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
"maybe they'll start to wonder why they spent all that money to stare at a 6" display feeding a constant stream of advertising to their brain all day, every day for several years."Trump's only hope lies (snicker) with such folks frying their brains.
Father Time - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
"Trump's only hope lies (snicker) with such folks frying their brains."You mean his landslide lies with the Democrats imploding...
flyingpants265 - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Yeah man, this is about Donald Trump.Zingam - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
If you make the money before noon. Why wouldn't you buy one?YesYesNo - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Yes true, the same way as expensive watches, expensive cars, expensive clothes, expensive aftershave are now totally not cool...flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
I wouldn't be so sure. Talked to a consumer lately? Most of them are NOT showing signs of being less addicted. All youth talk about is YT/twitter/instagram.Yeah they all know the prices are high, but this is the way the world is going now - the ones with actual jobs will just finance it no matter the cost - the rest of us will buy used or something.
Now it's becoming clear why these companies were trickling out and releasing all this tech so slowly... so they can wait for the next fads (Foldable? Convertible? wearables? Whatever) and try to turn that into even more $$$. Maybe they'll think of something... Christ.
Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
I'm not American but I have such examples in my family, they make bank loans to buy smartphones and then they ask me for money, to give them from my savings. Becase they are smart CONSUMERS and I am stupid.Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
The MOAR IZ BETTER mentally will never go away as long as these electronic devices are made in Korea and China.Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
The MOAR IZ BETTER *mentality will never go away as long as these electronic devices are made in Korea and China.TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
MOAR IZ BETTER didnt start with china/korea. Consumerism in its modern form has been around healthy as ever since the 1920s, with a 18 year break from 1929-1947. After that it reached adulthood and REALLY took off.apriest - Tuesday, February 11, 2020 - link
I laugh at 24+MP camera sensors at this physical size. The pixel density is so great that I highly doubt the optics can even resolve details that small to effectively gain anything from more pixels without using a larger sensor and greater lens surface area. Pixel binning and other optimizations can get you less noise and better low light qualities, but not larger prints or more resolving power.EthiaW - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
hope you to purchase and review both snapdragon and exynos versions of the standard S20, which will be the option for most who don't wanna pay the exorbitant price for camera arm race nonsense, plus one S20 ultra, let's see what a behemonth it is.😁mrochester - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
It’d be great if you could get these with iOS on them.jaju123 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Totally your opinion - would make it unbuyable for memrochester - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
They are unbuyable at present for me with android on them. iOS would make them a viable option.surt - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Which is entirely the point of apple's walled garden, to lock down your choices. If you like the dinner they choose to serve you, its great. If you want to order dinner for yourself, not so much. Perfect for old-fashioned ladies who expected their husbands to order for them.The_Assimilator - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Why does Samsung continue to foist its s**tty Exynos chips on Europe?wrkingclass_hero - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Huge bummer that they took out the headphone jack.flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
$1300 for a phone where you have to cup your hand around the speaker to hear properly. No thanks.Btw, Pocophone F1 with Snapdragon 845 is currently $229 USD.
Dizoja86 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
That's really not how it functions in practice. I have the S10, and although cupping my hand around the bottom speaker does change things a bit, it's not a difference that I would normally notice.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Would we still be stuck on rubbish phone cams if it wasn't for Huawei? As far as I can see, yes.flyingpants265 - Tuesday, February 18, 2020 - link
Nokiawye43 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
Math teacher: how much is 3 x 3?Andrei: 3
Corigentule.
Gastec - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Trol adolescentin patetic.wye43 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
> 5G connectivity comes as a standard feature for all models of the line-up (There are still some 4G variants depending on markets)The word you are looking for is “most”, not “all”.
Nota 4 si la engleza!
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
No. *All* models have 5G variants. Some 4G variants of the same models will exist depending on markets.Nota 0 la înţelegere.
kliend - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
5G is such a joke. GET OUT OF HERE WITH THAT CRAP!!flyingpants265 - Wednesday, February 12, 2020 - link
y?TheinsanegamerN - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Because the "new" 5G, the mmWAVE, is only usable within line of sight within a few hundred feet. All for gigabit speeds that are pointless on a mobile device. It wont even reach across the narrow side of a football stadium!The rest is just 4G. Nothing new here. Oh, and these new higher frequency radios suck down TONS of juice. Worthless for the majority of consumers, especially in its first iteration.
monglerbongler - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Without a word on mmWave its just a hardware revision. A substantial, big leap, of a hardware revision but still.4k in a phone is incredibly difficult. People often forget that just because the phone in their hand has "1080p" or "1440p" or similar resolution to a TV they have owned for years and "TVs are already at 12k" or whatever, that if they took a 4-5 year old smartphone and scaled the size up to 55" diagonal, keeping pixel density constant, we would be talking about 30,000 x 16800.... literally "16,800p"
almost double the vertical and horizontal pixels of 16K, which is currently cutting edge professional video capture resolution used to make movies requiring giant piles of 12 terabyte hard drives to capture using mammoth sensors that cost like $50,000 per chip.
This is display technology from 4-5 years ago... when the first ~570 PPI screens started to come out.
deepblue08 - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Looks like a solid phone, but the prices are just outrageous.csell - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
@Andrei. Please make a detailed Review, with comparison between Snapdragon & Exynos Galaxy S20 versions?SR-71 - Thursday, February 13, 2020 - link
Yes. Please make a detailed Snapdragon vs Exynos version comparison. I want to know how bad Exynos is.1nterceptor - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
Yup, definitelly would love to see a detailed "Anandtech style" comparison. I believe we won't see much diference in cpu part of the SoC, Exy will probbably be a bit faster in single-core and SD in multi-core workloads. SD could also be slightly more battery efficient, but not by much. I think the biggest difference will be in the gpu part of the story. Somehow i doubt Mali can compete with Adreno, but we'll just have to wait & see...sharath.naik - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
I donot get the 120hr display craze. All it does is eat battery life. You are fine with 60hz that too in boosted mode where 30hz under normal and update only on change during static. any thing else is either a compromise or a compromise that is a gimick1nterceptor - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
According to my sources, these are all the camera sensors used by S20/S20+/S20U. Not sure wether this info is 100% correct but i would bet my money it is...Galaxy S20/S20+:
-Main cam: IMX555, 12Mp, 1.8μm, 1/1.76" (14.43mm²), F1.8, 79°, Super Speed Dual Pixel AF, OIS
-Telephoto: S5KGW2, 64Mp, 0.8μm 1/1.7" (14.94mm²), F2.0, 76°, Super-PD, OIS
-Ultrawide: S5K2LA, 12Mp, 1.4μm, 1/2.55"(9.96mm²), F2.2, 120°
-Selfie cam: IMX374, 10Mp, 1.22μm, 1/3.2" (7.93mm²), F2.2, 80°, Dual Pixel AF
Galaxy S20 Ultra:
-Main cam: S5KHM1, 108Mp, 0.8μm, 1/1.33" (19.1mm²), F1.8, 79°, Super-PD, OIS
-Telephoto: IMX586, 48Mp, 0.8μm, 1/2" (12.7mm²), F3.5, 24°, OIS
-Ultrawide: S5K2LA, 12Mp, 1.4μm, 1/2.55" (9.96mm²), F2.2, 120°
-Selfie cam: S5KGH1, 40Mp, 0.7μm, 1/2.65" (9.58mm²), F2.2, 80°, Super-PD
SR-71 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
For EU S20+ camera setup looks like this:<blockquote class="imgur-embed-pub" lang="en" data-id="dsJWHoc"><a href="https://imgur.com/dsJWHoc">View post on imgur.com</a></blockquote><script async src="//s.imgur.com/min/embed.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
SR-71 - Friday, February 14, 2020 - link
[img]https://i.imgur.com/dsJWHoc.jpg[/img]https://imgur.com/dsJWHoc
mkozakewich - Saturday, February 15, 2020 - link
Ugh, so many people are uncritically gawking at the 100x zoom for no reason. Any camera can do that! Just resize the image and apply some sharpening. Even Samsung's samples are very obviously disgusting. I'd be interested to see how much quality they can get out of their 5x actual zoom. And generally speaking, any photo I've ever looked at has a level of quality related to the sensor size. The new bigger sensors are promising, then, but will probably only have about 12ish MP of performance. (If the 3x3 binning mode actually takes high-quality 12MP photos, that would be good for me. I'll leave everyone else to store several megabytes of mush in their photos.)SR-71 - Sunday, February 16, 2020 - link
I played a lot with S20+ demo unit and I can say there is a HUGE improvment in photo quality comparing to my S10+ Exynos version. What we get on S20+? Everyting that was flawed on S10+ was fixed, the speed, the noise, lack of texture detail, occasionaly limited dynamic range, Night Mode is 10 times better on the S20+. It's absolutely amazing how many elements of cameras has been made even better. But... yes. There's a 'but". Front facing camera is a MESS. You will see why in upcoming reviews. I am really happy that S20Ultra uses different senser than S20 and S20+.web2dot0 - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
Android fanboys: Apple iPhones are a bunch of overpriced piece of metal.Android fanboys: $999 for base model Samsung S20 Ultra is totally worth it.
LOL. You guys are hilarious.
Irish910 - Friday, February 21, 2020 - link
Lmaoweb2dot0 - Monday, February 17, 2020 - link
Android fanboys: Flip phones are way ahead of iPhone tech. Why isn't Apple following suit?iPhone users: Flip phones don't work well and breaks down and full of bugs.
Android fanboys: But the phone flips and iPhone can't.
iPhone users: OK. You got us!!!
LOL
k.alan.bates - Wednesday, March 11, 2020 - link
What I am really, really, really excited about vis-a-vis this generation is the improvements to the display technology. Looking forward an iteration or two, I want to see the Tab S8 able to link with a Note via DeX and treat the Tab as a mobile smart display.If the partnership between Microsoft and Samsung flourishes further, it would be FANTASTIC if the Tab eventually becomes a mobile second monitor for the Surface as well as an independent tablet device as well as a touch-enabled peripheral for DeX as well as a notebook for working with a paired Galaxy device. If that Tab is 13.3" or 15.6" (larger loses portability) 120Hz QLED display with an improved onboard battery to get "hours" of use, the Tab would potentially tie the entire Galaxy device ecosystem together. Samsung should make it become a mobile hub for everything else.