Ouch! Yeah - having 8 times the physical cores would cut that down to... what? About 9-10 hours from 72 hours? I can see where you may need something like that. Imagine if you had 2P Epyc? You could run 2 sims in an 8 hour workday...
There's no reason to ban him. He's a shill, everyone knows it. He's had the gall to defend a $20K Intel processor with half the cores and trash talk the AMD processor that's both cheaper and more powerful in every regard in the same comment.
You should remember, there's a pretty good chance he's a kid that feels like he bought into a "team" (or tribe) when he purchased his first Intel CPU and feels the need to defend that team at every point. It's human nature to try to show tribal loyalty, though you wish more people could see they are doing it and realize how dumb it is.
But imagine spending $20,000 on the closest useless Intel system that runs much slower on top of being far more expensive--"ouch"!--so there's "useless" and then there's "Intel useless"--grow up, guy...;)
While *I* personally have no use for more than 8 cores, I'd certainly never refer to any systems that have many more cores as 'useless'. If you are alluding to the WIndows 10 above 64 threads issues, then use Linux. If you can't, perhaps your preferred term 'useless' should be fairly applied elsewhere...? :)
And why would that be a problem? There's a perfect place for it - in the slot just above the heatsink for the on-board M.2 slots. It's already a double wide space, so it would not obstruct the bottom most slot.
Because it does NOT need to be a 2 slot card. Both ASUS and ASRock has a single slot solution and they were able to keep my four Sabrent 4TB SSDs in RAID 0 under 40C during sustained transfer. Also I need a second video card for my build, without bifurcation the other two PCIe x 16 slots were literally useless.
This is how you do motherboard testing. I just read a motherboard review on TomsHardware and it was horrible. They didn't even use probes for checking temps jump a thermal image which we all know can be misleading for actual temperatures especially if VRM's are short. Nice job Gavin!
I don't know, the proper way to test it would be to load it with GPUs, given it's "Creator" model, then run all cards with realistic loads (either compute or video content creation). But for those use cases I'd go with ASRock Creator, since it has 4 GPU slots (so that you can actually install four GPUs in it, unlike this one), and costs $450.
Except you know nothing on performance of the board except cpu overclocking. There's absolutely no subsystem testing at all which is very important, such as USB speed tests, multiple hard drives, network, sound, etc. This is what makes or breaks a motherboard. Overclocking is not really the top consideration for people that buy threadrippers.
I'm currently looking into the parts for a TRX40 machine. I'd like to maximize the number of Type C ports on the front and back, and wow that is quite difficult. Most of the boards (including this one) only have a single port. Same thing with PC cases. Many cases have zero, if you're lucky you'll find one (the only exception is that dubious "Fake Mac Pro Case" on Indiegogo).
Either I am the only person to care about these things or motherboard (and PC case builders) are completely blind to see the opportunity.
Who's willing to spend 700$ on something from MSI? This must be a paid review. MSI is a terrible company with a terrible warranty service. Just recently, I purchased a 2080 TI Seahawk EK X from them. Card was bad. I call customer service, and the guy tells me it's my fault, that it'll take 6 weeks to process the RMA, and if I really cared about reliability, I'd have a duplicate card for redundancy.
Attempting some sort of compromise, I suggested MSI place a hold on my card and immediately send me the (refurbished) replacement. Nope. "Sorry, sir; we treat everyone the same."
Alright. So there you have it, everyone. Pay the premium price (1450$) on an MSI product and I hope you've got a spare for redundancy's sake. After all, a real enthusiast would.
^ yep, that's what the rep told me. So... buy a MSI motherboard for 700$?
You having a bad experience makes it a paid review? If MSI was truly as terrible with their product design and manufacturing as you say they were, they would have gone out of business long ago, not become a major player in the market. Your experience is completely valid. There are plenty of people who have bad experiences with plenty of companies. But that doesn't make every single company a terrible company. It just means you had a bad experience with them. As for your experience, they're required to adhere to internal protocols. They can't automatically treat a customer specially and ignore the protocol for you.
If it had a BMC with IPMI we'd buy 16 of these. Such beasts do exist for older threadrippers I can't find any for current gen. Does anybody know of any BMC equipped motherboards for TRX40?
At the moment there are only Epyc boards with that functionality for high core count CPUs. Asrock Rack will likely release a TRX40 based variant at some point, though, and is your best bet to check with.
Other than F1 2018, the gaming benchmarks seem to be largely GPU bound, which makes this data irrelevant to the motherboard. I think it was a mistake to put a 1080 on this test bed. You're testing one of the most powerful cpu+mobo combos ever mass-produced but choking your fps down with a mid-tier graphics card.
For years I bought only Asus motherboards, having started with them in part because they offered more fan headers and related controls. But these haven't improved much with time, and fan controls on the Crosshair Hero VI were so clunky that I never got good results.
For the Ryzen 3900X I made the switch to MSI (Creation X570) and am very glad of it. Fan settings are easy to use, responsive, and more importantly have about 5x the resolution. Where the Asus BIOS worked in 5 degC and 10% rpm increments, the MSI is closer to 1 degC and 2%. This is hugely more effective and a pleasure to use - and I had no idea of it prior to hands-on!
Differences like this aren't obvious in screenshots and reviewers never discuss them because (1) on an open bench they don't need case fans and (2) they build for a few performance runs, not quality of life. Though they do cover RGBling so I'll know exactly what I'm disabling.
Anticipating a continuing lack of fan control details, I will probably stay with MSI. They did a good job with the Creation and BTW this Creator TRX40 board clearly has the same features.
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timecop1818 - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
For when you spend nearly $4000 on a useless processor and have another $700 burning a hole in your pocket.Korguz - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
yea ok intel shill, go to wccftech where you belongMikewind Dale - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Useless for you, maybe. But others may have a use.For example, I'm currently working on a multi-threaded statistical regression that takes 3 days to run on an 8-core Ryzen. I'd love to have 64 cores.
mrvco - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Useless in the 'my idea of gaming is running benchmarks at 1080p with dual RTX-2080 Ti GPUs' sense.bill.rookard - Wednesday, March 4, 2020 - link
Ouch! Yeah - having 8 times the physical cores would cut that down to... what? About 9-10 hours from 72 hours? I can see where you may need something like that. Imagine if you had 2P Epyc? You could run 2 sims in an 8 hour workday...nandnandnand - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Lol, I remember you from first post on the TR 3990X article:https://www.anandtech.com/show/15483/amd-threadrip...
You are useless and need a banning.
extide - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Imagine living a life so banal and boring that all you can do is get the first post on every AMD article and bash it.ingwe - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
I would at least hope they are a paid shill. But who knows. Really wish they would ban them thoughrahvin - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
There's no reason to ban him. He's a shill, everyone knows it. He's had the gall to defend a $20K Intel processor with half the cores and trash talk the AMD processor that's both cheaper and more powerful in every regard in the same comment.You should remember, there's a pretty good chance he's a kid that feels like he bought into a "team" (or tribe) when he purchased his first Intel CPU and feels the need to defend that team at every point. It's human nature to try to show tribal loyalty, though you wish more people could see they are doing it and realize how dumb it is.
Irata - Friday, February 28, 2020 - link
Very well put.milkywayer - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Can someone ninja ban this troll please?WaltC - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
But imagine spending $20,000 on the closest useless Intel system that runs much slower on top of being far more expensive--"ouch"!--so there's "useless" and then there's "Intel useless"--grow up, guy...;)twtech - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Yeah, totally useless. Don't buy it if you can't use it.MDD1963 - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
While *I* personally have no use for more than 8 cores, I'd certainly never refer to any systems that have many more cores as 'useless'. If you are alluding to the WIndows 10 above 64 threads issues, then use Linux. If you can't, perhaps your preferred term 'useless' should be fairly applied elsewhere...? :)beedoo - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
I've always wondered, do you have mental issues?twtech - Saturday, March 28, 2020 - link
It's useless if you don't have a use for it, sure.airdrifting - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Random error code 06 and no bifurcation on two of the PCIe slots. Fail.airdrifting - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Also, the included M.2 card is a giant 2 slot one.rrinker - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
And why would that be a problem? There's a perfect place for it - in the slot just above the heatsink for the on-board M.2 slots. It's already a double wide space, so it would not obstruct the bottom most slot.airdrifting - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Because it does NOT need to be a 2 slot card. Both ASUS and ASRock has a single slot solution and they were able to keep my four Sabrent 4TB SSDs in RAID 0 under 40C during sustained transfer. Also I need a second video card for my build, without bifurcation the other two PCIe x 16 slots were literally useless.Korguz - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
then i guess this board is not for you :-)FreckledTrout - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
This is how you do motherboard testing. I just read a motherboard review on TomsHardware and it was horrible. They didn't even use probes for checking temps jump a thermal image which we all know can be misleading for actual temperatures especially if VRM's are short. Nice job Gavin!p1esk - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
I don't know, the proper way to test it would be to load it with GPUs, given it's "Creator" model, then run all cards with realistic loads (either compute or video content creation). But for those use cases I'd go with ASRock Creator, since it has 4 GPU slots (so that you can actually install four GPUs in it, unlike this one), and costs $450.Dug - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Except you know nothing on performance of the board except cpu overclocking.There's absolutely no subsystem testing at all which is very important, such as USB speed tests, multiple hard drives, network, sound, etc. This is what makes or breaks a motherboard. Overclocking is not really the top consideration for people that buy threadrippers.
dan82 - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
I'm currently looking into the parts for a TRX40 machine. I'd like to maximize the number of Type C ports on the front and back, and wow that is quite difficult. Most of the boards (including this one) only have a single port. Same thing with PC cases. Many cases have zero, if you're lucky you'll find one (the only exception is that dubious "Fake Mac Pro Case" on Indiegogo).Either I am the only person to care about these things or motherboard (and PC case builders) are completely blind to see the opportunity.
Pessimist9 - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Who's willing to spend 700$ on something from MSI? This must be a paid review. MSI is a terrible company with a terrible warranty service. Just recently, I purchased a 2080 TI Seahawk EK X from them. Card was bad. I call customer service, and the guy tells me it's my fault, that it'll take 6 weeks to process the RMA, and if I really cared about reliability, I'd have a duplicate card for redundancy.Attempting some sort of compromise, I suggested MSI place a hold on my card and immediately send me the (refurbished) replacement. Nope. "Sorry, sir; we treat everyone the same."
Alright. So there you have it, everyone. Pay the premium price (1450$) on an MSI product and I hope you've got a spare for redundancy's sake. After all, a real enthusiast would.
^ yep, that's what the rep told me. So... buy a MSI motherboard for 700$?
TheWereCat - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
I had bad experience with all brands, so should I stop buying from them and make my own HW?Lord of the Bored - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Yes. Yes, you should. That is the one true way.Droekath - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
You having a bad experience makes it a paid review? If MSI was truly as terrible with their product design and manufacturing as you say they were, they would have gone out of business long ago, not become a major player in the market.Your experience is completely valid. There are plenty of people who have bad experiences with plenty of companies. But that doesn't make every single company a terrible company. It just means you had a bad experience with them.
As for your experience, they're required to adhere to internal protocols. They can't automatically treat a customer specially and ignore the protocol for you.
Lord of the Bored - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Well, what did you do to make him say it is your fault? Inquiring minds want to know.carcakes - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
Start saving for an nforce motherboard!bryanlarsen - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
If it had a BMC with IPMI we'd buy 16 of these. Such beasts do exist for older threadrippers I can't find any for current gen. Does anybody know of any BMC equipped motherboards for TRX40?Slash3 - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
At the moment there are only Epyc boards with that functionality for high core count CPUs. Asrock Rack will likely release a TRX40 based variant at some point, though, and is your best bet to check with.realbabilu - Wednesday, February 26, 2020 - link
The processor could be assigned as a cheap powerful server. But I think I don't see IPMI feature here.supdawgwtfd - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Because it's not a server product perhaps?pmjm - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
Other than F1 2018, the gaming benchmarks seem to be largely GPU bound, which makes this data irrelevant to the motherboard. I think it was a mistake to put a 1080 on this test bed. You're testing one of the most powerful cpu+mobo combos ever mass-produced but choking your fps down with a mid-tier graphics card.MDD1963 - Friday, February 28, 2020 - link
The next generation of Threadrippers will have their gaming prowess thoroughly tested with a GTX1050... :)Silma - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
I guess if you can buy a $4k processor $700 for a motherboard is fine.I find it way too exepensive though. Not even Thunderbolt 3 compatible.
Arbie - Thursday, February 27, 2020 - link
For years I bought only Asus motherboards, having started with them in part because they offered more fan headers and related controls. But these haven't improved much with time, and fan controls on the Crosshair Hero VI were so clunky that I never got good results.For the Ryzen 3900X I made the switch to MSI (Creation X570) and am very glad of it. Fan settings are easy to use, responsive, and more importantly have about 5x the resolution. Where the Asus BIOS worked in 5 degC and 10% rpm increments, the MSI is closer to 1 degC and 2%. This is hugely more effective and a pleasure to use - and I had no idea of it prior to hands-on!
Differences like this aren't obvious in screenshots and reviewers never discuss them because (1) on an open bench they don't need case fans and (2) they build for a few performance runs, not quality of life. Though they do cover RGBling so I'll know exactly what I'm disabling.
Anticipating a continuing lack of fan control details, I will probably stay with MSI. They did a good job with the Creation and BTW this Creator TRX40 board clearly has the same features.
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