For me personally, 43" is too big to use as a PC monitor. I'd much prefer 32" - the same size as the old 8k Dell monitor. I wish they made it 120Hz, via dual HDMI 2.1 or DP 1.4 cables, but that's obviously not happening any time soon. So, yeah, no sarcasm here - I'd pay $3k for it today.
We're still lacking mainstream 4K content. You rarely even get broadcast 1080p content. Look how much stuff is still released in DVD and bluray format. UHD blurays is small and the streaming services up-charge for 4K (like Netflix).
By the time 8K content shows up mainstream, these TVs with their 8year lifespan will be obsolete.
Its time consumers pushedback. 4K TVs do more than just have higher resolution. The brightness and contrast in the highend TVs are better than their 1080p counterparts.
A lot of content is also grainy at 4K because the original copy was poor or the lens purposely only keep certain areas of the frame in focus diminishing the return on a 4K TV vs 1080p.
TVs are getting cheaper though. I was shocked at how cheap TVs are these days. They only get expensive when you need the latest and greatest tech and something like OLED.
Mainstream follows the majority, until the majority demand 4k content why give them 4k content when they will pay the same prices for 1080p broadcasts? Society as a whole is dumb, so profit makers are going to take advantage of that.
All of the broadcast channels (not necessarily cable, but broadcast like ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) still use either 1080i or 720p from their initial HD migration. Even ESPN still runs 720p :(
At least TV companies tacitly acknowledge this by investing heavily in "AI" upscaling tech, which if it were effective would partially overcome the dearth of native 8K content. I believe that, conceptually, AI upscaling actually has promise (check out what Topaz AI is doing for photos) but I sincerely doubt any of these embedded SoCs are pulling off any miracles.
It is *far* easier (and far less expensive compute-wise) to do AI upscaling of still images than video content. AI still has some trouble in general handling video, so I also doubt this new SoC of LG does any effective upscaling. Unless it is as powerful and effective as Nvidia's DLSS is up to 4K, which I doubt. Even DLSS cannot handle 8K video, as far as I know, and that includes the RTX 2080Ti.
"grainy because the lens kept open"? You don't know anything about cinematography or video do you? Shallow depth of field is about selective focus, it's a creative tool and has absolutely zero effect on grain, which is a function of the absolute levels of light hitting the sensor or film. Grain is also a creative tool or, in a lot of cases, is present not because the original copy was "poor", but it was the best achievable *at the time*, e.g. 95% of the finest movies ever made, shot on 35mm.
Netflix won't even let you do more than 720p in a decent browser, and their entry level subscription is SD. They're not really incentivising a higher level subscription due to piracy concerns.
Basically, if you want to watch a show legally, you can watch it on optical media (complete with load time, maybe even an anti-piracy message or ads). Or, you can embrace streaming, and have your resolution slashed.
I have a 4K HDR video projector with a 10-foot wide screen. My amazingly nice picture could be improved a little bit by an 8K projector, but most people won't see any improvement on a less than 80" screen.
As much as we like it or not, or buy it or not, the likes of LG, Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc. they will invest in technology and they will put it on the market, regardless of the general demand. If one of them is doing it, the others have to do it also, otherwise they are out of the game. That goes for everything that comes with tehinology on all fields, not only TVs. And to be honest who can blame the manufacturers? They are investing loads of money, they need to recover some of them back. It's up to us to decide price/quality and what to buy.
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cbm80 - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
These TVs are way too big for 8K. 43" please.extide - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
You forgot the /sp1esk - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
For me personally, 43" is too big to use as a PC monitor. I'd much prefer 32" - the same size as the old 8k Dell monitor. I wish they made it 120Hz, via dual HDMI 2.1 or DP 1.4 cables, but that's obviously not happening any time soon. So, yeah, no sarcasm here - I'd pay $3k for it today.The Benjamins - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
Just for reference, that's the same pixel density as a 10" 1080p monitor.Fore that's too dense for PC use, but would look amazing
webdoctors - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
We're still lacking mainstream 4K content. You rarely even get broadcast 1080p content. Look how much stuff is still released in DVD and bluray format. UHD blurays is small and the streaming services up-charge for 4K (like Netflix).By the time 8K content shows up mainstream, these TVs with their 8year lifespan will be obsolete.
Its time consumers pushedback. 4K TVs do more than just have higher resolution. The brightness and contrast in the highend TVs are better than their 1080p counterparts.
A lot of content is also grainy at 4K because the original copy was poor or the lens purposely only keep certain areas of the frame in focus diminishing the return on a 4K TV vs 1080p.
The Benjamins - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
I agree, I am far more interested in 4k 120hz+ TVs getting cheaper.niva - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
TVs are getting cheaper though. I was shocked at how cheap TVs are these days. They only get expensive when you need the latest and greatest tech and something like OLED.alphasquadron - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
Mainstream follows the majority, until the majority demand 4k content why give them 4k content when they will pay the same prices for 1080p broadcasts? Society as a whole is dumb, so profit makers are going to take advantage of that.extide - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
All of the broadcast channels (not necessarily cable, but broadcast like ABC, NBC, CBS, FOX) still use either 1080i or 720p from their initial HD migration. Even ESPN still runs 720p :(sturmen - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
At least TV companies tacitly acknowledge this by investing heavily in "AI" upscaling tech, which if it were effective would partially overcome the dearth of native 8K content. I believe that, conceptually, AI upscaling actually has promise (check out what Topaz AI is doing for photos) but I sincerely doubt any of these embedded SoCs are pulling off any miracles.Santoval - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
It is *far* easier (and far less expensive compute-wise) to do AI upscaling of still images than video content. AI still has some trouble in general handling video, so I also doubt this new SoC of LG does any effective upscaling. Unless it is as powerful and effective as Nvidia's DLSS is up to 4K, which I doubt. Even DLSS cannot handle 8K video, as far as I know, and that includes the RTX 2080Ti.Whiteknight2020 - Sunday, January 19, 2020 - link
"grainy because the lens kept open"?You don't know anything about cinematography or video do you?
Shallow depth of field is about selective focus, it's a creative tool and has absolutely zero effect on grain, which is a function of the absolute levels of light hitting the sensor or film. Grain is also a creative tool or, in a lot of cases, is present not because the original copy was "poor", but it was the best achievable *at the time*, e.g. 95% of the finest movies ever made, shot on 35mm.
Lolimaster - Sunday, January 19, 2020 - link
In fact most of the hd content is some crappy 1080i MPEG2 encoded junk.Would love 720/1080p cable content true progresive encoded in hevc.
kalgregor - Sunday, January 19, 2020 - link
Netflix won't even let you do more than 720p in a decent browser, and their entry level subscription is SD. They're not really incentivising a higher level subscription due to piracy concerns.Basically, if you want to watch a show legally, you can watch it on optical media (complete with load time, maybe even an anti-piracy message or ads). Or, you can embrace streaming, and have your resolution slashed.
AnandIdiots - Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - link
Streaming services have become mainstream and are all 4K/UHD. What rock are you living under?JeffFlanagan - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
I have a 4K HDR video projector with a 10-foot wide screen. My amazingly nice picture could be improved a little bit by an 8K projector, but most people won't see any improvement on a less than 80" screen.Santoval - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
That depends on the viewing distance.George Biz - Sunday, January 19, 2020 - link
As much as we like it or not, or buy it or not, the likes of LG, Samsung, Sony, Panasonic etc. they will invest in technology and they will put it on the market, regardless of the general demand. If one of them is doing it, the others have to do it also, otherwise they are out of the game. That goes for everything that comes with tehinology on all fields, not only TVs. And to be honest who can blame the manufacturers? They are investing loads of money, they need to recover some of them back. It's up to us to decide price/quality and what to buy.artifex - Monday, January 20, 2020 - link
Might as well wait for ATSC 3.0 TVs at this point, so you don't have to buy an external tuner later.poohbear - Monday, December 7, 2020 - link
Who makes the A9 cpu? Is it an ARM based design?