Raw bandwidth for 4:4:4 5120x1440@240hz would be 53 gigabits. 4:2:0 subsampling will get you to ~27 gigabits, under the DP1.4 limit. But that's at 8bit.
You don't. a gamer is not expecting that high during gaming. I have a 35 and 38inch monitors. One is 35 is 120Hz and other is 60hz. I prefer the 60Hz just because its higher rez and looks so much better in games like Red Dead 2. In fact i don't even notice a difference after switching over to the 60Hz because what people don't understand its not just the monitor its the games visuals that matter.
I have two Asus PG27UQ (4k@144) driven by 2060 Super card, and I have zero interest in gaming. But I'd rather have a single monitor like this one, provided it had both high DPI and high refresh rate. Yes, I realize the DPI on this one is crap, but it's a step in the right direction.
I heard that Samsung invented their own "HDR1000" branding for these, which is in fact NOT related to the DisplayHDR 1000 certification - indicating that the HDR performance is in fact going to be quite weak.
Not to mention that buying such an expensive screen right now, (hopefully) a year before we get DP2.0 or HDMI 2.1 to actually be able to drive them properly, would just be silly.
LG demoed a 48" CX OLED TV at CES, with 4K @ 120Hz support, HDMI 2.1 with VRR, and Dolby Vision (HDR.). You also get a Apps, Speakers, Ethernet, 802.11ac, Bluetooth 5.0, and a remote.
With one stroke at CES 2020, LG's OLED48CX TV have completely obliterated the market for high-end PC monitors. Why pay so much for smaller, extremely expensive G-Sync Ultimate LCD monitors when they're offering a superior display with incredibly low input lag and near-instantaneous pixel response times? And, as you mentioned, it's also a TV with all those goodies included.
The rest of the market needs to cut their prices drastically or offer equivalent specifications. Or just buy that OLED panel off LG and make something equivalent at an equal or lower price.
Moreover, while you are getting 120Hz support and VRR you get a pixel response time 10x faster than even these 240Hz monitors. I'm not saying you can drive it that high, but the 48" OLED panels (and I pray 43" might be considered eventually) are going to make it so only going higher resolution will save TFT panel sales. Have to see how the promise turns out in real world testing but eventually even Samsung will be selling their variation on OLED (blue with QD layer) and at that point TFT's will become the 2020's version of the CRT.
Yeah, the PC monitor manufacturers have extremely poor product design or product research teams making moronic decisions.
Only monitors really of note upcoming this year are monitors w/ 4K, HDR1600, Dolby Vision HDR, HLG HDR, 1600nits, & HDMI 2.1 (or at least HDMI 2.1 features) like LG's PA32UCG.
Most monitors this CES have been trash for enthusiasts & content creators.
I can't confirm whether the HDR performance is going to be weak. But at a minimum, yes, if the monitor was DisplayHDR 1000 certified, I would have expected Samsung to list that instead. DisplayHDR certification involves a good deal of time and money, so vendors have every reason to show it off if they have it.
It's true that HDR1000 isn't a real certification, but in this case it's just how Samsung chooses to market their products. Their C49RG90 says HDR1000 as well, but it's definitely DisplayHDR 1000 certified, which is easily verified on the official DisplayHDR site.
Samsung needs more "ultra" in their marketing materials to be truly impressive. At the moment, they are falling short in that department when compared to the competition that can easily step up on their use of the word or even add another word and hyphen such as "super-ultra" or "mega-ultra."
They need to hire the toilet paper marketing team. Ultra mega super rolls! If they can spruce up TP that much, then when marketing something *actually* cool I can't imagine the verbiage.
The last thing we need is yet another 27" 1440p 144hz monitor.... Seems like I can't go a single day without another one being announced... This specific market segment is way, way over saturated.
Once the margins fall thin and potentially negative territory they will go onto bigger and better things. That is how the monitor market seems to work now.
The C49RG90 often goes on sale for $1099 at microcenter. You get similar specs but clocked at 120 hz which is more in tune with today's hardware. At 240hz there will be too much compromise to quality. These new super high refresh rate monitors foreshadow things to come. Eventually 240hz might be the new standard why not wait to couple it with hdmi 2.1/dp2.0, microled, and hardware that can actually take advantage of it all.
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prophet001 - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
nahp1esk - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
I wonder how we drive 5120 × 1440 at 240Hz? Two DP1.4 cables?mukiex - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Raw bandwidth for 4:4:4 5120x1440@240hz would be 53 gigabits.4:2:0 subsampling will get you to ~27 gigabits, under the DP1.4 limit. But that's at 8bit.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/10325/the-nvidia-ge...
Realistically, I don't think you're gonna get it done without an RTX or higher, given the probably need for DSC.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13346/the-nvidia-ge...
mukiex - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Ugh, I meant "probable need". Muscle memory is hard to fight while typing sometimes.p1esk - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
4:2:0 is crap, I'd much rather use DSC, but it's not clear if this monitor supports it.imaheadcase - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
You don't. a gamer is not expecting that high during gaming. I have a 35 and 38inch monitors. One is 35 is 120Hz and other is 60hz. I prefer the 60Hz just because its higher rez and looks so much better in games like Red Dead 2. In fact i don't even notice a difference after switching over to the 60Hz because what people don't understand its not just the monitor its the games visuals that matter.p1esk - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
I have two Asus PG27UQ (4k@144) driven by 2060 Super card, and I have zero interest in gaming. But I'd rather have a single monitor like this one, provided it had both high DPI and high refresh rate. Yes, I realize the DPI on this one is crap, but it's a step in the right direction.lilkwarrior - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
You're better off getting a true 4K ultrawide like what LG already provides then.nevcairiel - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
I heard that Samsung invented their own "HDR1000" branding for these, which is in fact NOT related to the DisplayHDR 1000 certification - indicating that the HDR performance is in fact going to be quite weak.I don't suppose anyone can confirm this?
nevcairiel - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Not to mention that buying such an expensive screen right now, (hopefully) a year before we get DP2.0 or HDMI 2.1 to actually be able to drive them properly, would just be silly.TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
LG demoed a 48" CX OLED TV at CES, with 4K @ 120Hz support, HDMI 2.1 with VRR, and Dolby Vision (HDR.). You also get a Apps, Speakers, Ethernet, 802.11ac, Bluetooth 5.0, and a remote.The PC Display Industry is dead to me.
chris.london - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
And by this time next year we will be able to get it for less than $900. I wonder how Acer/Asus/Samsung will be able to justify their high prices.p1esk - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
If that 48" was 8k @ 120Hz (two DP1.4 cables with DSC), and highly curved (1000R) - that would be my dream monitor. I'd pay $3k for it today.p.s. zero interest in gaming.
r3loaded - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
With one stroke at CES 2020, LG's OLED48CX TV have completely obliterated the market for high-end PC monitors. Why pay so much for smaller, extremely expensive G-Sync Ultimate LCD monitors when they're offering a superior display with incredibly low input lag and near-instantaneous pixel response times? And, as you mentioned, it's also a TV with all those goodies included.The rest of the market needs to cut their prices drastically or offer equivalent specifications. Or just buy that OLED panel off LG and make something equivalent at an equal or lower price.
FXi - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
Moreover, while you are getting 120Hz support and VRR you get a pixel response time 10x faster than even these 240Hz monitors. I'm not saying you can drive it that high, but the 48" OLED panels (and I pray 43" might be considered eventually) are going to make it so only going higher resolution will save TFT panel sales. Have to see how the promise turns out in real world testing but eventually even Samsung will be selling their variation on OLED (blue with QD layer) and at that point TFT's will become the 2020's version of the CRT.lilkwarrior - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
Yeah, the PC monitor manufacturers have extremely poor product design or product research teams making moronic decisions.Only monitors really of note upcoming this year are monitors w/ 4K, HDR1600, Dolby Vision HDR, HLG HDR, 1600nits, & HDMI 2.1 (or at least HDMI 2.1 features) like LG's PA32UCG.
Most monitors this CES have been trash for enthusiasts & content creators.
imaheadcase - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
You can drive them properly now. Unless you mean getting up to that 240Hz spec. But you won't even get that with next gen cards.nevcairiel - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Of course "properly" means at full spec. No chroma subsampling, no DSC, full 10-bit for HDR, full resolution, full refreshrate.imaheadcase - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Samnsung and sony do that i think. I forget which one, but that got own sound branding as well. It sounds really really good though.Ryan Smith - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
I can't confirm whether the HDR performance is going to be weak. But at a minimum, yes, if the monitor was DisplayHDR 1000 certified, I would have expected Samsung to list that instead. DisplayHDR certification involves a good deal of time and money, so vendors have every reason to show it off if they have it.rayzorium - Wednesday, May 20, 2020 - link
It's true that HDR1000 isn't a real certification, but in this case it's just how Samsung chooses to market their products. Their C49RG90 says HDR1000 as well, but it's definitely DisplayHDR 1000 certified, which is easily verified on the official DisplayHDR site.PeachNCream - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Samsung needs more "ultra" in their marketing materials to be truly impressive. At the moment, they are falling short in that department when compared to the competition that can easily step up on their use of the word or even add another word and hyphen such as "super-ultra" or "mega-ultra."imaheadcase - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
The are really missing out on the "Bad Ass" branding as well.valinor89 - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Nothing gets better than "Ultimate" for branding...parmand - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
They need to hire the toilet paper marketing team. Ultra mega super rolls! If they can spruce up TP that much, then when marketing something *actually* cool I can't imagine the verbiage.AnarchoPrimitiv - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
The last thing we need is yet another 27" 1440p 144hz monitor.... Seems like I can't go a single day without another one being announced... This specific market segment is way, way over saturated.GreenReaper - Thursday, January 16, 2020 - link
Look on the bright side: they get to to compete on price, other features or graphics quality, right?godrilla - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
Once the margins fall thin and potentially negative territory they will go onto bigger and better things. That is how the monitor market seems to work now.R3MF - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
FFS, Samsung!21:9
Give us a new HDR1000/FreesyncPremiumPro monitor with 3440x1440!
godrilla - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
The C49RG90 often goes on sale for $1099 at microcenter. You get similar specs but clocked at 120 hz which is more in tune with today's hardware. At 240hz there will be too much compromise to quality. These new super high refresh rate monitors foreshadow things to come. Eventually 240hz might be the new standard why not wait to couple it with hdmi 2.1/dp2.0, microled, and hardware that can actually take advantage of it all.Cool Toolbar - Friday, January 17, 2020 - link
Can DP 1.4 run 2560x1440p@240hz with 8bit + FRC without any sort of subsampling?