How much of a market can there truly be for so many $2000+ gaming monitors? Between over-priced OLED BFGDs and super-high refresh rate FALD LCDs, it seems like there are at least 20 models on the market now/coming to market this year.
>Between over-priced OLED BFGDs I hope you meant to have a comma or something in between OLED and BFGDs, since the current BFGDs on the market are using AU Optronics VA panels and FALD backlighting.
But yes, high end displays are expensive. We even had some specialty high-end CRTs being sold for $2500 each back in the 80s.
Hitachi 21” CRT .21DPI was one of those particular CRT’s and I bought one to find it was way too big and the footprint was horrible. Talk about monitor sunburn, that was the one to do it.
Limited demand is almost certainly part of why prices are as high as they are. But between what the buyers want in terms of aspect ratio (16:9, 21:9, 32:9), panel type (OLED, VA, IPS, TN), HDR or not, curved or not, resolution vs refresh rate, and screen size there's probably room for a dozen or two base panels even before we get into whose logo is on the display itself.
Actually we are still lacking some basic models. There is no standard 32" 144hz IPS monitor. Frustrating that we can pay $400 for a 27" one, but where is the $500 32" one? Nothing, not one model.
I want one. From reviews I’ve seen of verified buyers, this monitor is nothing short of amazing in terms of realistic rendering and it’s image quality.
LG just released the much anticipated LG OLEDCX48PUB 48-inch OLED gaming TV with G-Sync! And that price - wow! Only $1500. Most thought it would be released for +$2000 range. I am getting ready to pre-order one. I already have an Acer X35 and absolutely love it. The firmware update from Acer back in January fixed all the bad issues ;-)
Damn, it is very sad how hdmi 2.1 keeps on being ignored. Is that 48gb bandwith scary for the industry? Cant imagine how they will delay DP 2.0 sith its 75gb bandwith.
Is 48Gbps even needed for this monitor? No need to waste money on superfluous bandwidth, when the featureset can already be backported (and already has).
Are there higher licensing costs with HDMI 2.1 that might be a barrier to adoption? IIRC, quite a few people have pointed out that we are still hanging onto DP in computing when the rest of the audio/video world has transitioned fully to HDMI due in part to the licensing costs associated with the more common interface.
Hmmm. More inputs than just DP, but G-sync (I don't see "compatible" anywhere). So this has an updated G-sync module. Is this the (rumored?) updated module that also works as a VESA AS/FreeSync monitor when connected to non-Nvidia GPUs? If so, that would be very relevant information to include.
Still waiting for somebody to make a reasonably affordable QLED ultrawide with 144hz,freesync,and HDR10 at a bare minimum 3440x1440 if not higher resolution like the one above. Asus and Nvidia would have you believe 360hz and 1080p is worth going backwards and sticking with ancient lcd panel technology,can't wait to see how much they think that is worth.
I have an Acer Predator z35p and recently bought the new Samsung Q60R QLED w/freesync and HDR10 and oh my did it blow me away. Gaming monitors are being held back due to the fear of advertising 11ms response time in game mode when realistically I cannot tell a difference... minus the fact that I went with 43in which is only 60hz(thanks Amazon for misleading info!) and my Acer 35in which is 100hz. I refuse to pay $1200 to Nvidia for their top of line gpu and I damn well ain't gonna shell out $2,000-4,000.00 for a monitor. I know I am not alone in thinking this is just insanity and greed run amok.
Think of it like cars. Some people want a people mover to take all 7 kids to soccer practice (analogy: large area/high resolution to fit a lot on the screen for productivity, spreadsheets, programming etc), some people need a truck to carry large loads of freight / gear in the back (say, accurate color for photography or video editing/color grading), and some people need a F1 car to go around a track as fast as possible for competitive purposes (eSports folk that want a high refresh rate & low latency).
All of the monitors produced are for use cases that are compromises that emphasize some of the strengths of the technology that are important for that usage at the expense of less important characteristics for that use case - all within the constraints of price people are willing to pay for a monitor for that purpose.
This monitor falls short of all expectations for 2020. It needs to have G-Sync Ultimate with an HDR1000 rating. No way would I pay for this kind of monitor if it's not going to have all of the latest features. At this price range, it should also have HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.0.
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techguymaxc - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
How much of a market can there truly be for so many $2000+ gaming monitors? Between over-priced OLED BFGDs and super-high refresh rate FALD LCDs, it seems like there are at least 20 models on the market now/coming to market this year.JoeyJoJo123 - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
>Between over-priced OLED BFGDsI hope you meant to have a comma or something in between OLED and BFGDs, since the current BFGDs on the market are using AU Optronics VA panels and FALD backlighting.
But yes, high end displays are expensive. We even had some specialty high-end CRTs being sold for $2500 each back in the 80s.
Spunjji - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
Good grief. $2,500 in mid-1980s dollars is $6,000 today.Seun - Saturday, May 2, 2020 - link
Hitachi 21” CRT .21DPI was one of those particular CRT’s and I bought one to find it was way too big and the footprint was horrible. Talk about monitor sunburn, that was the one to do it.DanNeely - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Limited demand is almost certainly part of why prices are as high as they are. But between what the buyers want in terms of aspect ratio (16:9, 21:9, 32:9), panel type (OLED, VA, IPS, TN), HDR or not, curved or not, resolution vs refresh rate, and screen size there's probably room for a dozen or two base panels even before we get into whose logo is on the display itself.Alistair - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Actually we are still lacking some basic models. There is no standard 32" 144hz IPS monitor. Frustrating that we can pay $400 for a 27" one, but where is the $500 32" one? Nothing, not one model.EmuAGR - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
Of course there are: MSI Optix MAG321CQR and MAG322CQRV...jollyllama2 - Wednesday, January 22, 2020 - link
I'm late to this conversation, but just want to point out that both of those MSI models are VA panels, not IPS.Seun - Saturday, May 2, 2020 - link
I want one. From reviews I’ve seen of verified buyers, this monitor is nothing short of amazing in terms of realistic rendering and it’s image quality.Ninjawithagun - Tuesday, June 9, 2020 - link
LG just released the much anticipated LG OLEDCX48PUB 48-inch OLED gaming TV with G-Sync! And that price - wow! Only $1500. Most thought it would be released for +$2000 range. I am getting ready to pre-order one. I already have an Acer X35 and absolutely love it. The firmware update from Acer back in January fixed all the bad issues ;-)Vitor - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Damn, it is very sad how hdmi 2.1 keeps on being ignored. Is that 48gb bandwith scary for the industry? Cant imagine how they will delay DP 2.0 sith its 75gb bandwith.jeremyshaw - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Is 48Gbps even needed for this monitor? No need to waste money on superfluous bandwidth, when the featureset can already be backported (and already has).nevcairiel - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Ignoring any overhead, 3840x1600 x 30bit x 175 Hz is 32 Gbit, more then the 18Gbps HDMI 2.0 offers or the 28Gbps DP 1.4 offers, so..In 8bit instead of 10bit you might get it into DP 1.4 (not sure on the overhead right now), but HDR wants 10bit
palladium - Saturday, January 18, 2020 - link
Probably end up with 4:2:2 and/or DSC with 175hzPeachNCream - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Are there higher licensing costs with HDMI 2.1 that might be a barrier to adoption? IIRC, quite a few people have pointed out that we are still hanging onto DP in computing when the rest of the audio/video world has transitioned fully to HDMI due in part to the licensing costs associated with the more common interface.Valantar - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Hmmm. More inputs than just DP, but G-sync (I don't see "compatible" anywhere). So this has an updated G-sync module. Is this the (rumored?) updated module that also works as a VESA AS/FreeSync monitor when connected to non-Nvidia GPUs? If so, that would be very relevant information to include.JehovaNova - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Still waiting for somebody to make a reasonably affordable QLED ultrawide with 144hz,freesync,and HDR10 at a bare minimum 3440x1440 if not higher resolution like the one above. Asus and Nvidia would have you believe 360hz and 1080p is worth going backwards and sticking with ancient lcd panel technology,can't wait to see how much they think that is worth.I have an Acer Predator z35p and recently bought the new Samsung Q60R QLED w/freesync and HDR10 and oh my did it blow me away. Gaming monitors are being held back due to the fear of advertising 11ms response time in game mode when realistically I cannot tell a difference... minus the fact that I went with 43in which is only 60hz(thanks Amazon for misleading info!) and my Acer 35in which is 100hz. I refuse to pay $1200 to Nvidia for their top of line gpu and I damn well ain't gonna shell out $2,000-4,000.00 for a monitor. I know I am not alone in thinking this is just insanity and greed run amok.
Awful - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Different consumers have different needs?Think of it like cars. Some people want a people mover to take all 7 kids to soccer practice (analogy: large area/high resolution to fit a lot on the screen for productivity, spreadsheets, programming etc), some people need a truck to carry large loads of freight / gear in the back (say, accurate color for photography or video editing/color grading), and some people need a F1 car to go around a track as fast as possible for competitive purposes (eSports folk that want a high refresh rate & low latency).
All of the monitors produced are for use cases that are compromises that emphasize some of the strengths of the technology that are important for that usage at the expense of less important characteristics for that use case - all within the constraints of price people are willing to pay for a monitor for that purpose.
FXi - Tuesday, January 7, 2020 - link
Nice panel LG. Now why couldn’t you do the same tweaks to your 42.5” panel?Ninjawithagun - Tuesday, June 9, 2020 - link
This monitor falls short of all expectations for 2020. It needs to have G-Sync Ultimate with an HDR1000 rating. No way would I pay for this kind of monitor if it's not going to have all of the latest features. At this price range, it should also have HDMI 2.1 and DP 2.0.