Well, the Apple monitor has 2.25x more pixels and can sustain 1000 nits rather than peak at that value, but I see your point. 4k is still a very good resolution, 1000 nits peak is still good, and that contrast ratio and 99% P3 are nothing to scoff at at all. All for the price of a couple of Apple monitor stands with a couple of VESA adapters thrown in. This definitely ought to tempt some people away from the Apple display, that's for sure.
They're really not in the same class. This Lenovo monitor can do 1000 nits peak brightness and supports 2 colour profiles. The Apple Pro Display XDR does 1000 nits sustained full screen, 1600 nits peak, and offers a wide variety of calibrated reference modes. Apple was very clear in their positioning for the XDR, it's competing against $10,000+ studio reference monitors, which is a very niche market. If you're not working on high-end, high-budget video projects, as you say, other monitors like this Lenovo would offer better value.
Apple ProXDR is a much better product over all, So Lenovo would have to bump up the spec it would have likely cost close to 4K. The current ASUS ProArt cost ~$4000 for a slightly worst than XDR, while it will have an updated version that out spec Apple they haven't announce it's price yet. XDR also wins on Design and IO.
So yes it still has some Apple Tax, but in terms of percentage it is by far the lowest across all product lines.
Why does the PC Monitor Industry refuse to offer resolutions beyond 4K? Apple has had a 5k iMac for years now, and this 6K Pro Display HDR is a whopping 6K. Even the TV industry is moving into 8K. If I wanted a display for HDR content I would probably just buy an LG C9 OLED over anything the PC Monitor industry is selling... It's cheaper than this.
Because Apple does a great job offering resolutions that enables creatives pros great UX to edit 4K+ content. 5K was to have extra room vertical room to edit 4K material.
6K is for horizontal & vertical space editing 4K content.
8K monitors & TVs are DOA without HDMI 2.1 & DisplayPort 2.0 for 8K at higher than 30hz. Apple & LG does a good job understanding this.
>The key feature of Lenovo’s ThinkVision Creator Extreme P27 is its Mini LED FALD backlighting, which offers 1152 zones
27" monitor = 2010cm^2 area / 1152 zones = 1.74cm^2 area/zone = about a halo of about 1.32cm x 1.32cm square around your white cursor on a dark background, not to mention the "Response Time 14 ms gray-to-gray", which yeah, shouldn't matter for mastering still imagery, but ghosting is ghosting, and if you're doing video work that ghosting could be a hindrance when trying to edit/master a fast paced action scene or something in the latest snoozefest AAAA hollywood marvel superhero rehash. IMO, LED zones would kind of need to be about .5cm squares before the haloing from LED zones is diminished enough, and even then, it still couldn't compete with OLED in contrast/color/response time/etc.
This. FALD is fine to consume content, but a non-starter to create it if the zones aren’t small enough to mitigate bloom. I wonder equally how well a dynamic backlight responds to color calibration.
Innolux has 32" 4k 120/144hz panels with 10k and 2m dimming zones on the roadmap for mid-year. In addition to the normal HDR certs, they're hoping to get a TrueBlack one nominally intended for OLED displays. Assuming there's minimal blooming effects with one backlight element for every 4 pixels it seems plausible to me. They're hoping to sell the 2M one in both pro and gaming oriented monitors which suggests it shouldn't be too insanely expensive.
Hopefully Innolux doesn't run into any major problems with them because rivals AUO and LG are only targeting 1/2k dimming zones in models intended for release this year.
When I bought my 32" 4k60 Gsync Acer Predator a bit over 2 years ago I was expecting it to be my primary display for at least a half dozen years. Assuming the price is manageable though, I might be upgrading to something with the 2M zone Innolux at the end of the year as a self-gift.
Do professionals really accept such screen for their work ? Halos effect make image disturbed and created images that look correctly on such scrren, when displayed on traditional screen with uniform backlight, will exhibit artifacts. Such devices with FALD / Mini LED may be great for viewing content, but not for creating content.
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willis936 - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
Wow. This makes the new apple monitor a lot less attractive. That’s quite the price for what it is.Valantar - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
Well, the Apple monitor has 2.25x more pixels and can sustain 1000 nits rather than peak at that value, but I see your point. 4k is still a very good resolution, 1000 nits peak is still good, and that contrast ratio and 99% P3 are nothing to scoff at at all. All for the price of a couple of Apple monitor stands with a couple of VESA adapters thrown in. This definitely ought to tempt some people away from the Apple display, that's for sure.lilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
It absolutely doesn’t without its HDR information. It’s DOA to its core audience if it doesn’t have Dolby Vision HDR, HLG, & HDR10ltcommanderdata - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
They're really not in the same class. This Lenovo monitor can do 1000 nits peak brightness and supports 2 colour profiles. The Apple Pro Display XDR does 1000 nits sustained full screen, 1600 nits peak, and offers a wide variety of calibrated reference modes. Apple was very clear in their positioning for the XDR, it's competing against $10,000+ studio reference monitors, which is a very niche market. If you're not working on high-end, high-budget video projects, as you say, other monitors like this Lenovo would offer better value.lilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
This monitor also got to compete with stiff competition; the PA32UCG & PA32UCX for startersksec - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link
Apple ProXDR is a much better product over all, So Lenovo would have to bump up the spec it would have likely cost close to 4K. The current ASUS ProArt cost ~$4000 for a slightly worst than XDR, while it will have an updated version that out spec Apple they haven't announce it's price yet. XDR also wins on Design and IO.So yes it still has some Apple Tax, but in terms of percentage it is by far the lowest across all product lines.
willis936 - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link
Is it a much better product? It has half as many FALD zones and is twice the price.sonny73n - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
To sheeple, it is.TEAMSWITCHER - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Why does the PC Monitor Industry refuse to offer resolutions beyond 4K? Apple has had a 5k iMac for years now, and this 6K Pro Display HDR is a whopping 6K. Even the TV industry is moving into 8K. If I wanted a display for HDR content I would probably just buy an LG C9 OLED over anything the PC Monitor industry is selling... It's cheaper than this.lilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Because Apple does a great job offering resolutions that enables creatives pros great UX to edit 4K+ content. 5K was to have extra room vertical room to edit 4K material.6K is for horizontal & vertical space editing 4K content.
8K monitors & TVs are DOA without HDMI 2.1 & DisplayPort 2.0 for 8K at higher than 30hz. Apple & LG does a good job understanding this.
lilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Asus too; the ProArt series surely will have an 8K offering when the I/O makes senselilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Apple would ideally make a 9K-10K monitor.JoeyJoJo123 - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
>The key feature of Lenovo’s ThinkVision Creator Extreme P27 is its Mini LED FALD backlighting, which offers 1152 zones27" monitor = 2010cm^2 area / 1152 zones = 1.74cm^2 area/zone = about a halo of about 1.32cm x 1.32cm square around your white cursor on a dark background, not to mention the "Response Time 14 ms gray-to-gray", which yeah, shouldn't matter for mastering still imagery, but ghosting is ghosting, and if you're doing video work that ghosting could be a hindrance when trying to edit/master a fast paced action scene or something in the latest snoozefest AAAA hollywood marvel superhero rehash. IMO, LED zones would kind of need to be about .5cm squares before the haloing from LED zones is diminished enough, and even then, it still couldn't compete with OLED in contrast/color/response time/etc.
Any reason why you wouldn't just go OLED if you're already >$2500 for a monitor? https://www.anandtech.com/show/11272/dells-ultrash...
alexdi - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
This. FALD is fine to consume content, but a non-starter to create it if the zones aren’t small enough to mitigate bloom. I wonder equally how well a dynamic backlight responds to color calibration.s.yu - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
I was gonna say that this is the minimum for consumption, 10368 zones sound more like it.DanNeely - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Innolux has 32" 4k 120/144hz panels with 10k and 2m dimming zones on the roadmap for mid-year. In addition to the normal HDR certs, they're hoping to get a TrueBlack one nominally intended for OLED displays. Assuming there's minimal blooming effects with one backlight element for every 4 pixels it seems plausible to me. They're hoping to sell the 2M one in both pro and gaming oriented monitors which suggests it shouldn't be too insanely expensive.Hopefully Innolux doesn't run into any major problems with them because rivals AUO and LG are only targeting 1/2k dimming zones in models intended for release this year.
When I bought my 32" 4k60 Gsync Acer Predator a bit over 2 years ago I was expecting it to be my primary display for at least a half dozen years. Assuming the price is manageable though, I might be upgrading to something with the 2M zone Innolux at the end of the year as a self-gift.
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encryptededdy - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
Because unfortunately the UP3017Q was only on the market for a few weeks in 2017 and is now impossible to find.lilkwarrior - Sunday, January 5, 2020 - link
Because the bill of material would be too high because there is just too much money to be made making OLED TVs & etc than monitors.Also warranty margins & etc. OLED reference monitors & etc are quite common but consumers have been fickle to do good warranties for.
Alistair - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
Nope. Give me OLED. I'll take a few of those LG 48" OLED TVs coming out.TristanSDX - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link
Do professionals really accept such screen for their work ? Halos effect make image disturbed and created images that look correctly on such scrren, when displayed on traditional screen with uniform backlight, will exhibit artifacts. Such devices with FALD / Mini LED may be great for viewing content, but not for creating content.