Dell doesn't have identical configurations listed. The cheapest Dev Edition is the i5 system; they aren't doing a Dev i3. And we don't have prices for anything other than the base configurations at this time.
A large chunk of the WIndows licence price is probably countered by what Dell gets for installing a trial version of a crappy AV product (Norton or McAfee). Equal prices probably would actually mean the linux version is being subsidized because there will be far fewer of them sold to cover the cost of the validation they do to make sure it works well enough to offer warranty service/etc.
There's one 6-core U-series Comet Lake i7 model; the rest are quad-core. The only 8-core Intel mobile chips are 9th-gen H-series i9s; they don't have any 10th-gen H-series chips yet.
How does the 1920x1200 model have Dolby Vision without being able to display Rec 2020 colour space? i.e. the lack of something equivalent to "99% DCI-P3"...
Presumably it's similar to how it works on the XPS 13 2-in-1 (7390).
"Dell also offers Dolby Vision on both panels, but Dolby Vision on laptops is not what you may think. It will support Dolby Vision video playback in Netflix, but it doesn’t transform the display into an HDR offering. It just works to provide the best picture it can with the hardware available."
There's nothing that displays rec 2020 above ~80% anyway, so you shouldn't be disappointed. P3 is just fine. You wouldn't notice the difference anyway on a tiny 13" monitor, nor would you be editing on something that tiny if you are really concerned with color.
It is not fake. P3 limited content in a Rec2020 file container. This is how Dolby is doing HDR for now as Rec2020 is not practical for mainstream monitors.
No mainstream panel can achieve 90% Rec.2020, let alone 100%. Because of this limitation, delivering and processing in 2020 can end up with a gamut shift. To prevent this, Dolby asks content creators to limit Dolby Vision mastering in P3 color space but encapsulate a Rec 2020 file. The Dolby decoder then will adjust the color primaries accordingly.
In the end, the monitor only needs to achieve P3 to display Dolby Vision compliant images.
Eventually when Rec 2020 displays are accessible and practical in both the mastering consumer side, Dolby will shift to a full Rec.2020 requirement.
99% DCI-P3 gives you around 78% or more of Rec.2020 coverage, depending on how the coverage is actually done. The largest coverage I've seen on a TV at this point is 85%, and most still fall short of 99% at this point unless you're an OLED or using Quantum Dots (the other methods are lower coverage). 99% for the Dell is quite good for gamut coverage, but since there's no local dimming on the display, in TV-terms it would be closer to the performance of the 5-Series TCL than the 6-Series TCL, so HDR will look a bit better than SDR, but it won't be night and day.
Even high-end OLEDs or QLEDs cannot achieve 90%+ in Rec2020. Most are in 70% - 80% depending on several factors.
Sony's BMV-X3000, which is the mastering display costing $30K, does not even publish their Rec2020 capabilities. It is said to be "only around" low 80s. Which is still better than your typical 75% high end consumer OLED like the LG C9.
I measured the 2018 Vizio PQX at 84.4% Rec2020, the 2019 version at 82.5%, and the 2019 Vizio M-Series at 81.2%. The TCL 8-Series can hit 78.7% and the LG C9 come in at 74% this past year. These are all ahead of non-Quantum Dot/OLED TVs, but nothing close to 90% right now. A talk last year from the 8K forum, Quantum Dots would get above 90% but it was going to take a bit and there are other issues as well (though I don't have my notes with me right now).
The BVM-X300 has also been replaced by the BVM-X310 which has >99% DCI coverage, but doesn't specify Rec2020 coverage. It can show you an overlay on image content that is outside of DCI/P3 so you'll know when you see it on-screen, even if it can't display it.
Yea we do like the new X310 but the blacks are still better on the x300. For now, our colorists prefer x300. Though I warned them that it is slightly getting harder to calibrate it each time. The color shift as the OLED age is getting more pronounced. Displaying HDR even "ages" it faster. Great to hear about the Vizio and TCL! The more mainstream monitors hit 80+ Rec2020 the more it will push panel makers to improve.
Hey look, more non-removable Killer WiFi trash. Hey Dell would you please stop using this shit in your professional laptops? And while you are at it, take a lesson from HP and get rid of the stupid fucking Apple keyboard layout and add some real navigation keys.
Stopped using your shit after XPS15 2016 orr so because of the keyboard and killer garbage.
The hardware on Killer cards are fine. It's the drivers/software that's trash. Just uninstall all the killer stuff and you're good to go. Working without a hitch on my XPS 15 9560 after uninstalling
I still don't really understand the logic behind including Killer-branded adapters as opposed to just using the Intel NIC upon which it was based. The software and driver don't add any value to the product given their lack of relevant features or real world performance benefits and since very few companies continue to include Killer NICs, there isn't a lot of name recognition to be gained (and possibly some to be lost given the reputation those network cards have earned over the last decade plus).
funny anecdote: coworker was fired when he couldn't get the CEO's laptop wifi on the new XPS 15 to work right (sadly I was not there to tell him about Killer wireless cards immediately should be replaced with Intel ones)
That does not seem particularly funny to me, neither is the one that I could share about the soldered random access memory of my model from seven years ago. It seems to have accumulated a certain degree of faultiness. I want an antidote, I need no anecdote. The absurdity is that, with the accumulator which died and which I removed and which can be replaced, while some might even ignore the handrest coating which is beginning to wear out in two frontal areas presumably because of usage and cleaning, as a whole it remains usable. The memory though, it may be like the senseless emaciation of being unable to move amidst an unpredictable sea level.
Important point to note: The removable SSD makes a return, after being MIA on the previous model (7390). So no need to get ripped off by Dell's storage pricings when you can swap in a 1TB SSD for $100-120
It was present in the regular 7390 laptop, though missing in the 7390 2in1 (which already has Ice Lake).
That being said, the internal layout and configuration of this new laptop is much more similar to the 7390 2in1 than the regular 7390. This hopefully bodes well for the future 7390 2in1 replacement!
> The notebook comes in a black or white CNC-machined aluminum chassis that is 14.8 mm thick (vs. up to 11.6 mm) and weighs 1.2 kg – 1.27 kg depending on the touch support. The net result is that the laptop has a volume about 25% greater, mostly due to being 3.2mm thicker.
what laptop are you comparing to here? I don't see it specified in the article.
nm it's vs the older version. Interesting that the thickness has increased despite the battery size remaining constant. Hopefully points to some very beefy cooling (though the previous model's was already very good).
The Verge reported that this model is actually 2% smaller than the previous gen. Is that just in terms of length * width?
The LG Gram makes compromises in terms of chassis rigidity/material in order to achieve the weight. That's not a bad thing per se, but I don't think Dell will go that direction of prioritizing weight above all else. The XPS 13 has remained at 1.2-1.3kg for years despite competitors moving towards the 0.9-1.2 kg range
The wattage limits make this interesting. Single-core it looks like there's barely 5% in it. But if you want that extra ~19% multi-core perf from the cache and overall better silicon - and with four cores, you prooobably do - or the more graphics execution cores to benefit from the graphics upgrades, you're looking at the i7. But I suspect Dell may charge more than the premium Intel does vs. the i5.
Are they SERIOUSLY still shipping a $1000 laptop with 4gb ram? And a i3 with G1 gfx config? Plus if you want G7 gfx, you have to buy the i7 version. Thomas has never seen such BS Surface laptop 3 is far better than this overrated "best windows laptop".
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Teckk - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
So Comet Lake laptops have up to 6 or 8 cores?These laptops look amazing, except that they only have 2 TB ports and nothing else :(
reuthermonkey1 - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Do the Linux ones come at a lower price, or are they subsidizing Windows licensing and priced the same?Ryan Smith - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Dell doesn't have identical configurations listed. The cheapest Dev Edition is the i5 system; they aren't doing a Dev i3. And we don't have prices for anything other than the base configurations at this time.DanNeely - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
A large chunk of the WIndows licence price is probably countered by what Dell gets for installing a trial version of a crappy AV product (Norton or McAfee). Equal prices probably would actually mean the linux version is being subsidized because there will be far fewer of them sold to cover the cost of the validation they do to make sure it works well enough to offer warranty service/etc.drothgery - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
There's one 6-core U-series Comet Lake i7 model; the rest are quad-core.The only 8-core Intel mobile chips are 9th-gen H-series i9s; they don't have any 10th-gen H-series chips yet.
Reflex - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
I absolutely love my XPS13 2-in-1 model, however I do strongly recommend one of these to go in your travel bag: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07ZVKTP53/WoodyPWX - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Hopefully they will offer a similar screen aspect ratio for a new XPS15Jedibeeftrix - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
How does the 1920x1200 model have Dolby Vision without being able to display Rec 2020 colour space? i.e. the lack of something equivalent to "99% DCI-P3"...Ryan Smith - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Presumably it's similar to how it works on the XPS 13 2-in-1 (7390)."Dell also offers Dolby Vision on both panels, but Dolby Vision on laptops is not what you may think. It will support Dolby Vision video playback in Netflix, but it doesn’t transform the display into an HDR offering. It just works to provide the best picture it can with the hardware available."
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15092/the-dell-xps-...
Jedibeeftrix - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
how disappointingDug - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
There's nothing that displays rec 2020 above ~80% anyway, so you shouldn't be disappointed. P3 is just fine. You wouldn't notice the difference anyway on a tiny 13" monitor, nor would you be editing on something that tiny if you are really concerned with color.DanNeely - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Standard fake HDR I assume. It can decode it even if it can't properly display it. :(crimsonson - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
It is not fake. P3 limited content in a Rec2020 file container. This is how Dolby is doing HDR for now as Rec2020 is not practical for mainstream monitors.crimsonson - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
No mainstream panel can achieve 90% Rec.2020, let alone 100%. Because of this limitation, delivering and processing in 2020 can end up with a gamut shift. To prevent this, Dolby asks content creators to limit Dolby Vision mastering in P3 color space but encapsulate a Rec 2020 file. The Dolby decoder then will adjust the color primaries accordingly.In the end, the monitor only needs to achieve P3 to display Dolby Vision compliant images.
Eventually when Rec 2020 displays are accessible and practical in both the mastering consumer side, Dolby will shift to a full Rec.2020 requirement.
For now, P3 is fine.
cheinonen - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
99% DCI-P3 gives you around 78% or more of Rec.2020 coverage, depending on how the coverage is actually done. The largest coverage I've seen on a TV at this point is 85%, and most still fall short of 99% at this point unless you're an OLED or using Quantum Dots (the other methods are lower coverage). 99% for the Dell is quite good for gamut coverage, but since there's no local dimming on the display, in TV-terms it would be closer to the performance of the 5-Series TCL than the 6-Series TCL, so HDR will look a bit better than SDR, but it won't be night and day.crimsonson - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Even high-end OLEDs or QLEDs cannot achieve 90%+ in Rec2020. Most are in 70% - 80% depending on several factors.Sony's BMV-X3000, which is the mastering display costing $30K, does not even publish their Rec2020 capabilities. It is said to be "only around" low 80s. Which is still better than your typical 75% high end consumer OLED like the LG C9.
cheinonen - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
I measured the 2018 Vizio PQX at 84.4% Rec2020, the 2019 version at 82.5%, and the 2019 Vizio M-Series at 81.2%. The TCL 8-Series can hit 78.7% and the LG C9 come in at 74% this past year. These are all ahead of non-Quantum Dot/OLED TVs, but nothing close to 90% right now. A talk last year from the 8K forum, Quantum Dots would get above 90% but it was going to take a bit and there are other issues as well (though I don't have my notes with me right now).The BVM-X300 has also been replaced by the BVM-X310 which has >99% DCI coverage, but doesn't specify Rec2020 coverage. It can show you an overlay on image content that is outside of DCI/P3 so you'll know when you see it on-screen, even if it can't display it.
crimsonson - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Yea we do like the new X310 but the blacks are still better on the x300. For now, our colorists prefer x300. Though I warned them that it is slightly getting harder to calibrate it each time. The color shift as the OLED age is getting more pronounced. Displaying HDR even "ages" it faster.Great to hear about the Vizio and TCL! The more mainstream monitors hit 80+ Rec2020 the more it will push panel makers to improve.
timecop1818 - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Hey look, more non-removable Killer WiFi trash. Hey Dell would you please stop using this shit in your professional laptops? And while you are at it, take a lesson from HP and get rid of the stupid fucking Apple keyboard layout and add some real navigation keys.Stopped using your shit after XPS15 2016 orr so because of the keyboard and killer garbage.
Retycint - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
The hardware on Killer cards are fine. It's the drivers/software that's trash. Just uninstall all the killer stuff and you're good to go. Working without a hitch on my XPS 15 9560 after uninstallingPeachNCream - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
I still don't really understand the logic behind including Killer-branded adapters as opposed to just using the Intel NIC upon which it was based. The software and driver don't add any value to the product given their lack of relevant features or real world performance benefits and since very few companies continue to include Killer NICs, there isn't a lot of name recognition to be gained (and possibly some to be lost given the reputation those network cards have earned over the last decade plus).Alistair - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
funny anecdote: coworker was fired when he couldn't get the CEO's laptop wifi on the new XPS 15 to work right (sadly I was not there to tell him about Killer wireless cards immediately should be replaced with Intel ones)xaml - Friday, May 29, 2020 - link
That does not seem particularly funny to me, neither is the one that I could share about the soldered random access memory of my model from seven years ago. It seems to have accumulated a certain degree of faultiness. I want an antidote, I need no anecdote. The absurdity is that, with the accumulator which died and which I removed and which can be replaced, while some might even ignore the handrest coating which is beginning to wear out in two frontal areas presumably because of usage and cleaning, as a whole it remains usable. The memory though, it may be like the senseless emaciation of being unable to move amidst an unpredictable sea level.Dug - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
It's just an Intel chipset. The Dell XPS 13 2-in-1 that I have doesn't even mention Killer software on it, just Intel.Reflex - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
I just removed the Killer software and force installed the Intel AX200 drivers on my XPS 13 2-in-1 and it works great.Retycint - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Important point to note: The removable SSD makes a return, after being MIA on the previous model (7390). So no need to get ripped off by Dell's storage pricings when you can swap in a 1TB SSD for $100-120jeremyshaw - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
It was present in the regular 7390 laptop, though missing in the 7390 2in1 (which already has Ice Lake).That being said, the internal layout and configuration of this new laptop is much more similar to the 7390 2in1 than the regular 7390. This hopefully bodes well for the future 7390 2in1 replacement!
Retycint - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
I stand corrected. Always thought both laptops had soldered ssds for some reason. Hopefully the 2-in-1 also moves to a removable oneskavi - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
> The notebook comes in a black or white CNC-machined aluminum chassis that is 14.8 mm thick (vs. up to 11.6 mm) and weighs 1.2 kg – 1.27 kg depending on the touch support. The net result is that the laptop has a volume about 25% greater, mostly due to being 3.2mm thicker.what laptop are you comparing to here? I don't see it specified in the article.
skavi - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
nm it's vs the older version. Interesting that the thickness has increased despite the battery size remaining constant. Hopefully points to some very beefy cooling (though the previous model's was already very good).The Verge reported that this model is actually 2% smaller than the previous gen. Is that just in terms of length * width?
Ryan Smith - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Yeah, the prior model was 302mm X 199mm. So the 2020 model has a slightly smaller footprint, it just got a fair bit thicker in exchange.ava1ar - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Well, looks like same crap with configuration options, when there is no way get non-touch full hd model with 16Gb RAM. Dell, buy your crap yourself.69369369 - Thursday, January 2, 2020 - link
Dolby Vision with an IPS display? I call BS.jmunjr - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
Please make an XPS 17 with a 16:10 4K screen that opens 180 degrees please. Oh and make it as light as the LG Gram 17 too!Retycint - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
The LG Gram makes compromises in terms of chassis rigidity/material in order to achieve the weight. That's not a bad thing per se, but I don't think Dell will go that direction of prioritizing weight above all else. The XPS 13 has remained at 1.2-1.3kg for years despite competitors moving towards the 0.9-1.2 kg rangeGreenReaper - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
The wattage limits make this interesting. Single-core it looks like there's barely 5% in it. But if you want that extra ~19% multi-core perf from the cache and overall better silicon - and with four cores, you prooobably do - or the more graphics execution cores to benefit from the graphics upgrades, you're looking at the i7. But I suspect Dell may charge more than the premium Intel does vs. the i5.isthisavailable - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link
Are they SERIOUSLY still shipping a $1000 laptop with 4gb ram? And a i3 with G1 gfx config? Plus if you want G7 gfx, you have to buy the i7 version. Thomas has never seen such BSSurface laptop 3 is far better than this overrated "best windows laptop".
isthisavailable - Saturday, January 4, 2020 - link
And the surface laptop has a USB A port!jcc5169 - Monday, March 9, 2020 - link
Dell is still selling 14nm cpu technology and over-charging for it