Really though? IPS response time is multiple frames at this refresh rate. Just check out tft central’s work. Pushing past 240 is great to see but it isn’t meaningful until in an OLED.
I don't get it either. If someone claims to notice a difference between 240 and 280 Hz, surely that kind of person would also notice the far starker difference in IPS and TN pixel transition times? Even fast(but bright enough for practical use) strobing is kind of borderline on the fastest TN panels at 240Hz.
You quote tft central but your facts are disporved by their most recent review. Check it out it is probably the same panel and it gets response times totally suitable for 240hz.
The latest IPS is about as fast as TN (4ms). 1ms means nothing, since you have to include overdrive error. Low error IPS is around 4ms and TN is around 3ms, so almost identical.
That data suggests IPS avg G2G is closer to double TN avg G2G than nearly identical. The best are 4.8 (IPS) vs 2.6 (TN). I wonder how worst case B2W response times compare.
The problem is most of those TN panels are pushed to far into overdrive error in order to run at 240hz. The IPS 240hz that was just released has no error problems at 4.8ms, but can actually be pushed to 3.1ms with the kind of error you see with some of those TN monitors. Anyways 3 is about as fast as 5ms. I should have said 5ms (since 4.8 is closer to 5 haha).
That's exactly enough difference to be extra noticeable under strobing, though. The TN panels just about manage to finish transitioning before the backlight has to be switched on and the IPS panels can't manage that most of the time.
Yeah, I guess I'm in the minority, though I've noticed that a lot of manufacturers now seem to be bundling strobing into setting toggles which less informed users won't be aware include strobing, but they will turn on the setting because the name makes it sound like it'll result in a clearer image.
Most people mind strobing at 240+ Hz? I don’t even see regular people complain about christmas lights that are literally fed by unsmoothed half wave rectifiers. I happily play at 120 Hz with strobing. Motion blur is far more annoying than the perception of high frequency flicker.
Please don't disrespect e-sports professionals. They are some of the most talented basement dwelling neck beard hipsters that have ever lived as unemployed early 30-something derelicts in their parents' homes long after they should have gotten adult jobs and moved into a place of their own.
TFT Central has a review of the VG279QM. Looks like they actually pulled it off. Average g2g response time is 3.6ms. Nearly TN levels, and the fastest IPS they ever tested.
I went to Best Buy to look at their gaming monitors. The image quality of the displays reminded me of the 19" Dell LCDs that I purchased over a decade ago. 1080p on a 17" display is simply gross.. These panels are fast but visually ... total garbage.
the first gen 240hz panels were all TN and horrific. As IPS these should hopefully look better. Dunno if anyone has had a chance to review one yet or not.
The IPS ones were already tested. Its basically a 144/165 Hz panel thats running at 240 Hz. The IPS technology cant cope and so they have to use massive (and very obvious) amounts of overdrive to reach 1 ms. When you want ghosting at normal (unnoticeable) levels, you have to run that panel at 3-4 ms level of overdrive, which is basically a generic IPS panel you were able to get for years.
"Interestingly, the monitor promises to support something called ELMB Sync, which probably is simultaneous work of ELMB and a VRR technology." This is a big deal.
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willis936 - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
Really though? IPS response time is multiple frames at this refresh rate. Just check out tft central’s work. Pushing past 240 is great to see but it isn’t meaningful until in an OLED.0siris - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
I don't get it either. If someone claims to notice a difference between 240 and 280 Hz, surely that kind of person would also notice the far starker difference in IPS and TN pixel transition times? Even fast(but bright enough for practical use) strobing is kind of borderline on the fastest TN panels at 240Hz.danielfranklin - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
Marketing like this is huge in China.Just think back to the A53 based 8/10 core smartphone SOCs they were all over for years.
Opencg - Saturday, December 21, 2019 - link
You quote tft central but your facts are disporved by their most recent review. Check it out it is probably the same panel and it gets response times totally suitable for 240hz.Alistair - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
The latest IPS is about as fast as TN (4ms). 1ms means nothing, since you have to include overdrive error. Low error IPS is around 4ms and TN is around 3ms, so almost identical.willis936 - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
Any measurements to back that up?Alistair - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
Here are the measurements:https://www.tftcentral.co.uk/images/acer_nitro_xv2...
PseudoKnight - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
That data suggests IPS avg G2G is closer to double TN avg G2G than nearly identical. The best are 4.8 (IPS) vs 2.6 (TN). I wonder how worst case B2W response times compare.Alistair - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
The problem is most of those TN panels are pushed to far into overdrive error in order to run at 240hz. The IPS 240hz that was just released has no error problems at 4.8ms, but can actually be pushed to 3.1ms with the kind of error you see with some of those TN monitors. Anyways 3 is about as fast as 5ms. I should have said 5ms (since 4.8 is closer to 5 haha).0siris - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
That's exactly enough difference to be extra noticeable under strobing, though. The TN panels just about manage to finish transitioning before the backlight has to be switched on and the IPS panels can't manage that most of the time.Alistair - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
well like most people, i hate strobing and wouldn't use the feature0siris - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
Yeah, I guess I'm in the minority, though I've noticed that a lot of manufacturers now seem to be bundling strobing into setting toggles which less informed users won't be aware include strobing, but they will turn on the setting because the name makes it sound like it'll result in a clearer image.willis936 - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
Most people mind strobing at 240+ Hz? I don’t even see regular people complain about christmas lights that are literally fed by unsmoothed half wave rectifiers. I happily play at 120 Hz with strobing. Motion blur is far more annoying than the perception of high frequency flicker.Beaver M. - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
That would make ghosting even worse. Strobing needs to be as close to the native response time of the panel as possible.DigitalFreak - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
As long as these e-sports idiots keep buying them, they'll keep making them.PeachNCream - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
Please don't disrespect e-sports professionals. They are some of the most talented basement dwelling neck beard hipsters that have ever lived as unemployed early 30-something derelicts in their parents' homes long after they should have gotten adult jobs and moved into a place of their own.Thunder 57 - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
I read the first sentence and sis an eye roll, literally. Then I read the rest.surt - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
Funny, but because of human reaction time degradation with age, top e-sports pros are all under 25 just like in 'real' sports.olde94 - Saturday, December 28, 2019 - link
see, you say that but all i see are people aged 16-25 at events. Where ARE the 30 year oldsBeaver M. - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
Didnt LTT just compare these with pro gamers, and it showed only little improvements from even 144 to 240 Hz?[email protected] - Monday, March 9, 2020 - link
TFT Central has a review of the VG279QM. Looks like they actually pulled it off. Average g2g response time is 3.6ms. Nearly TN levels, and the fastest IPS they ever tested.boozed - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
This is long past sillyTEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, December 19, 2019 - link
I went to Best Buy to look at their gaming monitors. The image quality of the displays reminded me of the 19" Dell LCDs that I purchased over a decade ago. 1080p on a 17" display is simply gross.. These panels are fast but visually ... total garbage.DanNeely - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
the first gen 240hz panels were all TN and horrific. As IPS these should hopefully look better. Dunno if anyone has had a chance to review one yet or not.Beaver M. - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
The IPS ones were already tested. Its basically a 144/165 Hz panel thats running at 240 Hz. The IPS technology cant cope and so they have to use massive (and very obvious) amounts of overdrive to reach 1 ms.When you want ghosting at normal (unnoticeable) levels, you have to run that panel at 3-4 ms level of overdrive, which is basically a generic IPS panel you were able to get for years.
Korguz - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
and what were the prices for these ??? if less then say... 400 US... that could be why..Pro-competition - Friday, December 20, 2019 - link
"Interestingly, the monitor promises to support something called ELMB Sync, which probably is simultaneous work of ELMB and a VRR technology." This is a big deal.Techsways - Wednesday, December 25, 2019 - link
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