Why sustained performance is called "Warm", while peak performance - "Cold", isn't it vice versa? And what about Mate 30 Pro & Galaxy 10+ - is there peak performance in the table? If yes - can we see sustained also, please?
It's describing the thermal condition, because the primary limiter for phone form factors with modern SoCs is passive heat dissipation and thermal throttling. When the phone is cold there is a bit headroom to burst to until it warms up, and once it's warm than whatever the SoC can run at consistently from there on out is the sustained performance. That's a reason even the same SoC can exhibit higher performance in a tablet (or different form factor phone) with more thermal dissipation.
The A12 and A13 have absurd peak power consumption >6W which is far above the general ~4.5W peak that Android SoCs exhibit; but Apple throttles within 2-3 minutes to the "Warm" state. This isn't the full sustained performance figure which is below that.
So I chose to add in a second data-point for the Apple SoCs as that gives a better comparison point to the Android SoCs. Because the Android SoCs don't exhibit that abnormal thermal behaviour at peak, there's no need for a second data-point.
Yes, I'm aware about that figures, but there is Android SoCs PEAK performance with avg. power, not full sustained. E.g. I know Mate 30 Pro's full sustained performance (14 FPS in GFXBench Aztec High), but not the corresponding avg. power.
Average isn't a useful figure as it just depends on how long you run the test. If you run the test a long time you get the "warm" figure, if you run it a short time you get the "cold" figure, so those are the two important numbers, not the average.
Andrei, I appreciate your comment on the Asus phones. Not because I have one, but because you highlighted a key feature of the ROG2 phone that many "mainstream" manufacturer continue to ignore: battery capacity. Yes, some want their phone to be as thin as possible, but others want their phone to have enough battery life to truly be mobile devices for 24 h and more. I am still struck and amused by the sight of so many owning $ 1000+ phones (often fruity ones) hunting for outlets in all kinds of places, or carrying chunky battery backups with them. Thin phones by thick designers, I guess.
Yes, but what if you want a highly capable smartphone ("flagship") that can also go the distance? That choice or absence thereof (either a flagship or a slow phone with inferior camera but a large battery) doesn't make sense to me. At last, some upcoming "flagships" are rumored to have 5,000 mAh+ batteries; we'll see if those materialize.
A person is intelligent, people are dumb. Corporations have figured this out, and they use lies, psychological tricks, and mass marketing to sell their devices. That department gets most of the funding and attention. Devices are no longer made with the consumer in-mind. Or simply to make the best product and compete heavily.
That's why we've seen this regression ever since around 2016. And things will continue on this path until the main consumers respond heavily against the trends: higher prices, non-refurbability, less features, and shortened product lifespan.
The "ingredients" are there: AndroidOne, IMX 856, QSD 855, LPDDR4X, UFS 3.0, USB-3.1C, 4,000mAh etc etc... but the good-intentioned "chef" isn't. The manager is basically McDonalds.
mi 9T pro almost checked all these but you can install custom ROM (there are some that are really stable out there for mi 9T pro) $360 ain't bad price for such specs
There was a major point missed in the ROG II review, and that is the ROG II does not support VoLTE or VoWiFi in the USA. This is going to be a major headache at the end of 2020 when 3g networks are taken offline, and asus doesnt seem interested in fixing this problem.
If someone takes photography seriously they probably own a dedicated camera. It's certainly cheaper to get a low-midrange phone and a dedicated camera than it is a high-end phone.
Second, number of megapixels of a camera doesn't matter. What matters is sensor size. I wish all phone manufacturers listed the sensor size of their phone cameras.
Don't necessarily agree with either. I don't need more megapixels as you mention, and sensor size should result in better quality, but not necessarily depending on the software used to process the pixels. More mega pixels might let you crop more depending on sensor size. Testing "quality" is very hard and can be very personal. Most photos from camera are stored or shared in the cloud and compress somewhat. Some attempt at crowd sourcing quality...
Agree with you, however GIGO still applies. Even the best software can only put that much lipstick on a pig of a picture taken with a lousy camera unit.
Repairability of smartphones is an issue, but not one unique to Apple. In fact amongst the current crop of high end smartphones, the iPhones score the highest repairability scores (6) according to iFixit. The Pixel 4 XL scores 4 and the S10 scores 3 in comparison.
Apple is also the only manufacturer that puts in steps to make sure you can only use their special parts, and if apple or an apple certified tech does not do the repair, you lose some features of the phone.
Most manufacturers void the warranty if serviced by unauthorized service technicians or if you don't use original parts. And that's a good thing for the vast majority of consumers. Requiring service centers to be authorized makes repairs and their results reliable. Would you like to go to a repair shop, that is self taught and damages your phone? Or would you like to go to one that installs a super cheap battery with the wrong specification that is a fire hazard? And how would you know the difference between those shops and good ones without any authorization program?
I understand that there is a small minority of users who would like to do repairs themselves to spare a buck or two, (such as maybe yourself) but they are the exception. Most people just want to trust their repair guy, and not burn the house down.
Wow, lol, "a buck or two". Apple charges over $100 for a damned battery that costs ~$10 otherwise. And FYI "super cheap" batteries are still generally safe, because the reality is lithium batteries are super cheap in the first place. A cell made by Sony cost me $4 w/ delivery (you won't get that delivery in the US, granted) that's thicker than the one in my Logitech BT mouse but easily fits and is twice the capacity. Yes, twice. In fact you could imagine that a full sized office mouse could easily fit 3000mAh with nothing else in there but a circuit board and a few actuators, but the original was 500. It was made intentionally small, so small that the package would not follow the cell at the edge because it's too thin. The side of the package, which was a rigid aluminum strip, was ~1mm taller than the cell, while the cell itself was ~2mm thick. The strip was the same height on the replacement cell so I suspect that it's industry standard, while the super small size was a made to order "Logitech cheapo special". It was stuck to its socket with an adhesive so strong that I punctured the cell's packaging while removing it releasing a sour odor. Of course it said "removal of the original battery could result in fire". Typical planned obsolescence and corporate greed, but they're gonna have to use more glue and less screws if they want to pry more money from my hands just because the battery's dead. Wait, where have I seen this before...
BTW, you can install third party batteries in Apple phones. They just display a warning in the battery properties. That's desirable given the potential for supply chain attacks, plus if I go to an authorized repair center and they cheap out on the battery, as a customer I'd want to know.
I haven't found a price difference between Apple authorized and non-Authorized, shops like GadgetFix here in the northwest are authorized, cheaper than Apple and the prices between them and doing a Pixel are the same (I've had both).
"There’s not too much to say about the new iPhones other than they’re extremely solid phones. I do wish a new design refresh as the current one is getting a bit long in the tooth, but hopefully that’s in queue for the 2020 models."
Why, whats wrong with the current design? Do you believe that just changing things around for appearance sake to be good design? Or is there an optimal phone design driven by functionality that we’re asymptotically headed towards?
I personally hope the latter is the case, since the former seems to be a pointless exercise driven by marketing and herd mentality, where functionality often is the first casualty. But I guess that depends on if you see your phone as a fashion statement or a tool.
For me ergonomics are far more important than appearance, because it affects how you use the phone. I find the iPhones in this regard not as advanced or good as some more recent Android devices, and the Apple phones are bulkier in the hand. Plus that, and I would prefer less bezel to increase screen real estate.
I know you would prefer that, but I think Apple errors on the side of sanity with the bezels. It's actually nice to be able to hold the phone with one hand without mistakenly triggering gestures because your hand wraps around slightly and hits the active screen areas. It's nice to have an extra 2mm higher on screen keyboard for typing with one hand. It's nice to know that a side impact will result in a slight case crush instead of loss of the display. It's nice having a very very solid frame so when you have it in your front pocket and you lean over a table and your weight is on that phone, it doesn't burst into flame and burn your balls off. lol.
i would prefer an apple phone to have a micro sd slot.. but that's never gonna happen, and that's part of the reason why i have never bought an iphone :-)
Hardware without software is also meaningless. Andrei (never met an iPhone he didn't like) ignores the elephant in the room. iOS 13. Luckily I only have to use one sparingly for work.
Andrei , do you know that Xiaomi is the 4th largest Phone manufacturer and you are never mentioning it. Not to forget they allways brought something new to the table : Mi Mix - full display way before Apple , Mi Mix 5G way before Samsung , 100 mp camera before everyone else , and they are Qualcomms largest customer . Never in your speech .
I think they are a great company and unlike others they DO have devices meant to out of Asia clients , including phisical shops in Europe.
To mention Oppo ( that is non existent outside China ) and to forget Xiaomi is a mistake . They have one of the best lineups and they are half the price on the same specs compared to anyone else.
I didn't feel they did anything worthwhile in 2019, I mentioned the camera. The Mi9 was a nice phone but at great value but that's about it for them. Oppo had more interesting devices this year.
-dual front speakers -headphone jack -wireless charging, with plastic or kevlar, no freaking "premium feel" glass back, what a bad idea. -5000mAh battery or more -microSD -At least 2-3 good cameras, i like wide angle especially -Underwater capability, not "I-leak68"
Why haven't they created a phone with these features? ALL phones should have all these features. Phones should be a commodity item, instead they rely on useless gimmicks to increase their price to $1400+, which means someone (reviewers) aren't doing their job. My Galaxy S3 was $599 on release (2012).
Don't give me that nonsense about being 'too thick', these companies' job is to fit everything into a small package, that's why they make billions in profit. You can easily have a 'pro version' that's around 9mm, like the Droid Razr MAXX which had a 7mm and a 9mm version, 3300mAh was revolutionary at the time (2012), and my LG G7 is only 3000mAh.
Also, I'd like true underwater waterproofing, custom connectors instead of ports, it's a little tough to make them good but it's almost 2020, creating a sealed phone shouldn't be a problem anymore. Just need proper gaskets for speaker/mic, everything else can be eliminated.
And phones should have 5+ years of warranty for when the screen or SoC randomly fails, like my LG G2, and G3, and G4. That's the only way I would EVER consider paying $1000+ for a phone.
Lots of us don't value all those features or that configuration like you do. I'll happily take a thinner and lighter phone vs one with a battery that large. I don't value a headphone jack and it, along with microSD run counter to waterproofing. I also don't care about microSD, I've got a terabyte on OneDrive for my photos. I agree with you about wireless charging and the backplate but I'm open to other people having different feature requirements.
That phone might be your ideal, but its not everyone's. And that's okay.
I feel the waterproofing and that plastic there are the most unlikely features, nor do I agree that the body should be plastic. The connectors are definitely easy, something like the magnetic connectors already available only built in, but I don't think it's as easy as you think making something entirely waterproof, those that actually qualify are rare and bulky devices.
" -dual front speakers " headphones solve that issue " -headphone jack " agreed " -wireless charging, with plastic or kevlar, no freaking "premium feel" glass back, what a bad idea. " dont care for wireless charging, the rest... interesting.... " -5000mAh battery or more " would probably make the phone to bulky, and heavy to hold " -microSD " must have " -At least 2-3 good cameras, i like wide angle especially " no thanks, i have a standalone camera for that, 1 camera is fine in the phone. " -Underwater capability, not "I-leak68" " um.... why????
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Tigran - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Why sustained performance is called "Warm", while peak performance - "Cold", isn't it vice versa? And what about Mate 30 Pro & Galaxy 10+ - is there peak performance in the table? If yes - can we see sustained also, please?zanon - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
It's describing the thermal condition, because the primary limiter for phone form factors with modern SoCs is passive heat dissipation and thermal throttling. When the phone is cold there is a bit headroom to burst to until it warms up, and once it's warm than whatever the SoC can run at consistently from there on out is the sustained performance. That's a reason even the same SoC can exhibit higher performance in a tablet (or different form factor phone) with more thermal dissipation.Tigran - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
I see, so it's initial thermal condition, not final. Thanks!Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
The A12 and A13 have absurd peak power consumption >6W which is far above the general ~4.5W peak that Android SoCs exhibit; but Apple throttles within 2-3 minutes to the "Warm" state. This isn't the full sustained performance figure which is below that.So I chose to add in a second data-point for the Apple SoCs as that gives a better comparison point to the Android SoCs. Because the Android SoCs don't exhibit that abnormal thermal behaviour at peak, there's no need for a second data-point.
Tigran - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
I see, thanks. As for me personally, I would appreciate Apple's & SoCs full sustained performance AND avg. power figures also.Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
This article isn't the piece to go over in detail, you can read about it in the full reviews.https://www.anandtech.com/show/14892/the-apple-iph...
https://www.anandtech.com/show/15207/the-snapdrago...
Tigran - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Yes, I'm aware about that figures, but there is Android SoCs PEAK performance with avg. power, not full sustained. E.g. I know Mate 30 Pro's full sustained performance (14 FPS in GFXBench Aztec High), but not the corresponding avg. power.Alistair - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Average isn't a useful figure as it just depends on how long you run the test. If you run the test a long time you get the "warm" figure, if you run it a short time you get the "cold" figure, so those are the two important numbers, not the average.GC2:CS - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Wait. Single core CPU takes 6W. Neural engine takes like 4. GPU can take up to 6.I thought A10 was power hungry, but how can those things work at such high power levels, without blowing the (i)phone up ?
What about the A12X ? Is that a 20W part ?
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
All the blocks never work at peak performance at the same time, so it never sums up to the theoretical 15-20W.name99 - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
But I expect the power management to balance all 3 gets somewhat exciting when doing person-occlusion AR...eastcoast_pete - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
One correction: the first true large megapixel sensor in a smartphone was the 40 MP one in the Nokia 908 PureView. Still unbeaten in a number of ways.shabby - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
I'm pretty sure the software to run that sensor can't hang with the current crowd. Just like Sony who makes its own sensors has average image quality.arashi - Saturday, December 28, 2019 - link
You'd be surprised. The discrete ISP ASIC did pretty well.Although it's meh at low light, but thanks to the non Quad Bayer it's still pretty damn great in daylight.
eastcoast_pete - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Andrei, I appreciate your comment on the Asus phones. Not because I have one, but because you highlighted a key feature of the ROG2 phone that many "mainstream" manufacturer continue to ignore: battery capacity. Yes, some want their phone to be as thin as possible, but others want their phone to have enough battery life to truly be mobile devices for 24 h and more. I am still struck and amused by the sight of so many owning $ 1000+ phones (often fruity ones) hunting for outlets in all kinds of places, or carrying chunky battery backups with them. Thin phones by thick designers, I guess.GC2:CS - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
I don’t understand. Phones with battery capacities much higher than flagships existed since like ever.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Yes, but what if you want a highly capable smartphone ("flagship") that can also go the distance? That choice or absence thereof (either a flagship or a slow phone with inferior camera but a large battery) doesn't make sense to me. At last, some upcoming "flagships" are rumored to have 5,000 mAh+ batteries; we'll see if those materialize.Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Yes, but they were never flagships with quality hardware. I don't care too much about some 8000mAh Ulefone.Kangal - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
A person is intelligent, people are dumb.Corporations have figured this out, and they use lies, psychological tricks, and mass marketing to sell their devices. That department gets most of the funding and attention. Devices are no longer made with the consumer in-mind. Or simply to make the best product and compete heavily.
That's why we've seen this regression ever since around 2016. And things will continue on this path until the main consumers respond heavily against the trends: higher prices, non-refurbability, less features, and shortened product lifespan.
The "ingredients" are there: AndroidOne, IMX 856, QSD 855, LPDDR4X, UFS 3.0, USB-3.1C, 4,000mAh etc etc... but the good-intentioned "chef" isn't. The manager is basically McDonalds.
ChitoManure - Friday, January 3, 2020 - link
mi 9T pro almost checked all these but you can install custom ROM (there are some that are really stable out there for mi 9T pro) $360 ain't bad price for such specsTheinsanegamerN - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
There was a major point missed in the ROG II review, and that is the ROG II does not support VoLTE or VoWiFi in the USA. This is going to be a major headache at the end of 2020 when 3g networks are taken offline, and asus doesnt seem interested in fixing this problem.It ruins an otherwise amazing phone.
s.yu - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
That's something to consider, so what's gonna happen? No more voice calls for any device that doesn't support VoLTE or VoWiFi?name99 - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
On the iPhone side this is easily achieved by Apple’s power cases, if that’s what you want.Large capacity, and feels just like a fatter iPhone.
s.yu - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
That power case remains the single ugliest one around.arashi - Saturday, December 28, 2019 - link
The same can be said for any sufficiently popular Android (Zero Lemon makes a shit ton of battery cases).guachi - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
If someone takes photography seriously they probably own a dedicated camera. It's certainly cheaper to get a low-midrange phone and a dedicated camera than it is a high-end phone.Second, number of megapixels of a camera doesn't matter. What matters is sensor size. I wish all phone manufacturers listed the sensor size of their phone cameras.
joedish365 - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Don't necessarily agree with either. I don't need more megapixels as you mention, and sensor size should result in better quality, but not necessarily depending on the software used to process the pixels. More mega pixels might let you crop more depending on sensor size. Testing "quality" is very hard and can be very personal. Most photos from camera are stored or shared in the cloud and compress somewhat. Some attempt at crowd sourcing quality...https://www.dpreview.com/news/4053045965/video-mkb...
melgross - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
On smartphones, sensor size is just one number of importance. You can’t look at that and determine picture quality.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Agree with you, however GIGO still applies. Even the best software can only put that much lipstick on a pig of a picture taken with a lousy camera unit.s.yu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
Strange that HDR+ isn't considered computational photography, because it very much is.s.yu - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
What I'm trying to say is that, HDR+ had a mid-2017 release, almost a year before the horrendous night mode that debuted on the P20.drexnx - Thursday, December 26, 2019 - link
great article, I enjoy the retrospective of the trends and products that defined this year in phones.a 2010-2019 version would be awesome too, lots of stories in the past 10 years (rise and fall of HTC, WM7-8-rip, nokia, blackberry, etc.)
Urufu - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
I am not buying Apple no matter how "good" they are. The anti repair mechanisma built into the devices ensure I will stay well away.MarcusMo - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Repairability of smartphones is an issue, but not one unique to Apple. In fact amongst the current crop of high end smartphones, the iPhones score the highest repairability scores (6) according to iFixit. The Pixel 4 XL scores 4 and the S10 scores 3 in comparison.https://www.ifixit.com/smartphone-repairability
TheinsanegamerN - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Apple is also the only manufacturer that puts in steps to make sure you can only use their special parts, and if apple or an apple certified tech does not do the repair, you lose some features of the phone.The score isnt everything.
MarcusMo - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Most manufacturers void the warranty if serviced by unauthorized service technicians or if you don't use original parts. And that's a good thing for the vast majority of consumers.Requiring service centers to be authorized makes repairs and their results reliable. Would you like to go to a repair shop, that is self taught and damages your phone? Or would you like to go to one that installs a super cheap battery with the wrong specification that is a fire hazard? And how would you know the difference between those shops and good ones without any authorization program?
I understand that there is a small minority of users who would like to do repairs themselves to spare a buck or two, (such as maybe yourself) but they are the exception. Most people just want to trust their repair guy, and not burn the house down.
s.yu - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Wow, lol, "a buck or two". Apple charges over $100 for a damned battery that costs ~$10 otherwise.And FYI "super cheap" batteries are still generally safe, because the reality is lithium batteries are super cheap in the first place. A cell made by Sony cost me $4 w/ delivery (you won't get that delivery in the US, granted) that's thicker than the one in my Logitech BT mouse but easily fits and is twice the capacity. Yes, twice. In fact you could imagine that a full sized office mouse could easily fit 3000mAh with nothing else in there but a circuit board and a few actuators, but the original was 500.
It was made intentionally small, so small that the package would not follow the cell at the edge because it's too thin. The side of the package, which was a rigid aluminum strip, was ~1mm taller than the cell, while the cell itself was ~2mm thick. The strip was the same height on the replacement cell so I suspect that it's industry standard, while the super small size was a made to order "Logitech cheapo special".
It was stuck to its socket with an adhesive so strong that I punctured the cell's packaging while removing it releasing a sour odor. Of course it said "removal of the original battery could result in fire".
Typical planned obsolescence and corporate greed, but they're gonna have to use more glue and less screws if they want to pry more money from my hands just because the battery's dead. Wait, where have I seen this before...
Reflex - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
BTW, you can install third party batteries in Apple phones. They just display a warning in the battery properties. That's desirable given the potential for supply chain attacks, plus if I go to an authorized repair center and they cheap out on the battery, as a customer I'd want to know.I haven't found a price difference between Apple authorized and non-Authorized, shops like GadgetFix here in the northwest are authorized, cheaper than Apple and the prices between them and doing a Pixel are the same (I've had both).
MarcusMo - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
"There’s not too much to say about the new iPhones other than they’re extremely solid phones. I do wish a new design refresh as the current one is getting a bit long in the tooth, but hopefully that’s in queue for the 2020 models."Why, whats wrong with the current design? Do you believe that just changing things around for appearance sake to be good design? Or is there an optimal phone design driven by functionality that we’re asymptotically headed towards?
I personally hope the latter is the case, since the former seems to be a pointless exercise driven by marketing and herd mentality, where functionality often is the first casualty. But I guess that depends on if you see your phone as a fashion statement or a tool.
Andrei Frumusanu - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
For me ergonomics are far more important than appearance, because it affects how you use the phone. I find the iPhones in this regard not as advanced or good as some more recent Android devices, and the Apple phones are bulkier in the hand. Plus that, and I would prefer less bezel to increase screen real estate.linuxgeex - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
I know you would prefer that, but I think Apple errors on the side of sanity with the bezels. It's actually nice to be able to hold the phone with one hand without mistakenly triggering gestures because your hand wraps around slightly and hits the active screen areas. It's nice to have an extra 2mm higher on screen keyboard for typing with one hand. It's nice to know that a side impact will result in a slight case crush instead of loss of the display. It's nice having a very very solid frame so when you have it in your front pocket and you lean over a table and your weight is on that phone, it doesn't burst into flame and burn your balls off. lol.Qasar - Wednesday, January 1, 2020 - link
i would prefer an apple phone to have a micro sd slot.. but that's never gonna happen, and that's part of the reason why i have never bought an iphone :-)ratbert1 - Friday, December 27, 2019 - link
Hardware without software is also meaningless.Andrei (never met an iPhone he didn't like) ignores the elephant in the room. iOS 13. Luckily I only have to use one sparingly for work.
RaduR - Saturday, December 28, 2019 - link
Andrei , do you know that Xiaomi is the 4th largest Phone manufacturer and you are never mentioning it. Not to forget they allways brought something new to the table : Mi Mix - full display way before Apple , Mi Mix 5G way before Samsung , 100 mp camera before everyone else , and they are Qualcomms largest customer . Never in your speech .I think they are a great company and unlike others they DO have devices meant to out of Asia clients , including phisical shops in Europe.
To mention Oppo ( that is non existent outside China ) and to forget Xiaomi is a mistake . They have one of the best lineups and they are half the price on the same specs compared to anyone else.
Andrei Frumusanu - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
I didn't feel they did anything worthwhile in 2019, I mentioned the camera. The Mi9 was a nice phone but at great value but that's about it for them. Oppo had more interesting devices this year.thecoolnamesweretaken - Saturday, December 28, 2019 - link
"We’ve seen some exotic devices in the form of foldable phones for the first time ever."This should probably be written as "in the form of phones with foldable screens for the first time ever". Otherwise it is ahistorical:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola_StarTAC
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_9000_Communica...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ericsson_T28
flyingpants265 - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
Still waiting for a phone with:-dual front speakers
-headphone jack
-wireless charging, with plastic or kevlar, no freaking "premium feel" glass back, what a bad idea.
-5000mAh battery or more
-microSD
-At least 2-3 good cameras, i like wide angle especially
-Underwater capability, not "I-leak68"
Why haven't they created a phone with these features? ALL phones should have all these features. Phones should be a commodity item, instead they rely on useless gimmicks to increase their price to $1400+, which means someone (reviewers) aren't doing their job. My Galaxy S3 was $599 on release (2012).
Don't give me that nonsense about being 'too thick', these companies' job is to fit everything into a small package, that's why they make billions in profit. You can easily have a 'pro version' that's around 9mm, like the Droid Razr MAXX which had a 7mm and a 9mm version, 3300mAh was revolutionary at the time (2012), and my LG G7 is only 3000mAh.
Also, I'd like true underwater waterproofing, custom connectors instead of ports, it's a little tough to make them good but it's almost 2020, creating a sealed phone shouldn't be a problem anymore. Just need proper gaskets for speaker/mic, everything else can be eliminated.
And phones should have 5+ years of warranty for when the screen or SoC randomly fails, like my LG G2, and G3, and G4. That's the only way I would EVER consider paying $1000+ for a phone.
Reflex - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
Lots of us don't value all those features or that configuration like you do. I'll happily take a thinner and lighter phone vs one with a battery that large. I don't value a headphone jack and it, along with microSD run counter to waterproofing. I also don't care about microSD, I've got a terabyte on OneDrive for my photos. I agree with you about wireless charging and the backplate but I'm open to other people having different feature requirements.That phone might be your ideal, but its not everyone's. And that's okay.
s.yu - Sunday, December 29, 2019 - link
I feel the waterproofing and that plastic there are the most unlikely features, nor do I agree that the body should be plastic.The connectors are definitely easy, something like the magnetic connectors already available only built in, but I don't think it's as easy as you think making something entirely waterproof, those that actually qualify are rare and bulky devices.
Qasar - Wednesday, January 1, 2020 - link
" -dual front speakers " headphones solve that issue" -headphone jack " agreed
" -wireless charging, with plastic or kevlar, no freaking "premium feel" glass back, what a bad idea. " dont care for wireless charging, the rest... interesting....
" -5000mAh battery or more " would probably make the phone to bulky, and heavy to hold
" -microSD " must have
" -At least 2-3 good cameras, i like wide angle especially " no thanks, i have a standalone camera for that, 1 camera is fine in the phone.
" -Underwater capability, not "I-leak68" " um.... why????
Bash99 - Wednesday, January 8, 2020 - link
My dispoint on S10 is it's Ultrasonic fingerprint scanner.And all new IPhone is just too heavy for one-hand-hold.
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