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  • Duwelon - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Is MS ever going to allow all Xbox Series X games to be played on appropriately powerful PCs? There are no technical hurdles anymore, unless we count cheating potential for multiplayer.
  • diehardmacfan - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    MS leaves it up to the developer if they want their games to be a "Play Anywhere" title and same for cross-platform multiplayer.
  • close - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    For developers consoles have the distinct advantage of being more or less piracy free. Many might just go with a PC and irate games if they have the option.
  • yetanotherhuman - Monday, December 16, 2019 - link

    More or less piracy free? Hahaha
  • yetanotherhuman - Monday, December 16, 2019 - link

    The funny thing being, I pirate console games today, but I haven't pirated a PC game in years. With Steam sales and GOG.com, the incentive has faded a lot.
  • SeannyB - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    I'd expect it for first-party games because that's MS' policy for the time being if I understand it correctly. For third party games, that technical hurdle of developing for every contemporary configuration of PC possible vs fixed console hardware will always exist, and each dev/publisher will make different tradeoffs.
  • nathanddrews - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Yes, it is Microsoft's policy that all first-party games are Play Anywhere.
  • Guspaz - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Most, not all. MCC isn't, customers are expected to re-buy the Halo games for Windows as they're released.
  • nathanddrews - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Sorry for not being specific - all first-party games released after E3 2016 (when they announced that all future first-party games would be PA). MCC came out in 2014, before the PA initiative.
  • Flunk - Wednesday, December 18, 2019 - link

    Yes the MCC is. It's even on Steam, although it only came out recently.

    https://store.steampowered.com/app/976730/Halo_The...
  • scook9 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    The main feature I care about is HDMI-CEC. Since they have FINALLY abandoned the garbage that was Kinect, PLEASE include proper CEC support. My Xbox One S is one of the only devices in my house that does not support it!
  • BenSkywalker - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    You expect them to offer both a CPU that can compete against top of the line cell phone chips from a mere three years ago *and* HDMI CEC in the same console?

    What do you think this is, 2005?
  • yetanotherhuman - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    I didn't think Microsoft's naming scheme could be worse than "Xbox One", but here we are. This is probably the worst name for a console that I can recall. And what an awful shape. If it's supposed to take up space next to the TV stand, then it's just a magnet for drink spills directly in to the top. What a nugget.
  • eek2121 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    If the controller is of any use to estimate the size, it appears to be rather small (smaller than the original xbox one in 2 out of 3 dimensions) and it can stand up or sit down. This machine will fit neatly where my xbox one sits. I am a PC gamer, but I will likely pick one up for kicks.
  • willis936 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    I would be shocked if it could be placed horizontally and not have thermal issues.
  • Golgatha777 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    If you put it in a media cabinet, as a lot of folks do, there's already thermal issues to deal with. Given its size though, I think it has enough room to breathe. Hopefully it has a 120mm fan in the top and proper ducting to keep everything cool.
  • Alistair - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    they said it is fine, I've seen so many silly comments about the Xbox this morning it is ridiculous "it looks weird" (it is a rectangle) and "you can't place it horizontally" (obviously you can, and you can tell by the vertical optical drive)
  • Samus - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    I agree. This seems to be a radiant heat tunnel cooler similar to how the silverstone FT03-mini works.
  • shabby - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    I agree the name is pretty stupid, one x, series x, completely zero thought went into the name.
  • PeachNCream - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Microsoft most certainly outdid itself in the stupid naming department with the upcoming generation.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    Love too juggle drinks around my TV cabinet.

    Seriously though, while that could be a legit concern for something designed to go on your desk, I'm not so sure it applies to things near the TV which is a massive no-go area for liquids as a general rule.

    There's also no reason to assume it wouldn't work sideways with some sort of penalty in fan noise to compensate for the loss of convective airflow, in which case it would be no more vulnerable to liquid ingress than anything else with a vent on the side.

    The name is... quite silly, though. They should have gone with Xbox 1080 for the 360 successor, then this could have been the 2160.
  • sharath.naik - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Isn't the whole idea of a console is it fits under the TV? If not won't everyone be using their computers to game
  • diehardmacfan - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    What makes you believe this wont fit under a tv when laying down?
  • edzieba - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Microsoft's past history of issues with console orientation and disc drives?
  • catavalon21 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    It appears to have the disc drive oriented vertically as shown, if that's the slot for a disc. Horizontal should work.
  • shabby - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    If the cooling holes are only at the top and not the sides then I'll bet ms will recommend standing it up.
  • boozed - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    There's no way it's passively cooled, orientation won't matter as long as the vents aren't blocked.
  • Alistair - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    ding ding ding someone with half a brain, thank you
  • cwolf78 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Many people, myself included, use the vertical stand for the PS4. I have it set next to my entertainment center as its already full of other stuff. Hopefully, the PS5 will be able to replace my PS4 Pro, PS3, and UHD Blu-ray player.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    People have been standing consoles up next to their TV since the PS2 showed up with its magic rotating logo.
  • Machinus - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    At this point what is the difference between this and a PC? It's already running Microsoft software out of the box for god's sake.
  • PeachNCream - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Nothing much aside from tighter control of the software and fewer general purpose computing capabilities due entirely to the operating systems. However, from a consumer perspective, it is an easier experience in order to get to the end state of playing video games. There are no system requirements, no question of whether or not your system will run a particular game, no graphics settings to tweak, no BIOS updates or vendor-specific software, and so forth. For a relatively painless, push button and play experience, PCs are not ideal platforms. Then again, sometimes there is fun to be had in building and tinkering and you do not get that from this kinda thing.
  • alphasquadron - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Someone who gets it. People really don't understand how annoying it can be to fix a game that does not work right on the PC for someone isn't really familiar with computer settings, graphics drivers, other issues. Tinkering is fun but sometimes, I just like pressing the button on my controller and starting the game.
  • willis936 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    The last time this was an issue for me was... ten years ago?
  • GreenReaper - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    And then you got an XBox? Or a PS3? :-)
  • Qasar - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    the last time i had to do any configuring or tweak the game so it would work, was back in DOS. Now, 99% of the games i have played since the move to windows, all worked out of the box
  • PeachNCream - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    I find it interesting that you have not altered any game configuration settings since MS-DOS was the world's underlying operating system. You might be missing out on a lot of improved graphical quality by not doing so just so that you can say that your gaming experience is as configuration-free as someone that plays console games.
  • Qasar - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    PeachNCream game settings, aka Graphics options, vs game config files, are completely different. and you strike me as some one who knows that, based on your previous posts :-)

    ET nope.. try almost daily. and the fortnight issue.. could of been anything.. maybe even not related to the comp.
  • ET - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    I guess it's the last time you played games?

    Just yesterday, my son had tons of problems connecting to the Fortnite event on PC, while a colleague's son on Xbox participated in it without problem.
  • RSAUser - Monday, December 16, 2019 - link

    So spending money on a good off the rack PC (if you can't find a friend to build for you) must be very difficult.

    Also installing steam from the website and logging in is hard, that pesky install button and then pressing play doesn't help matters.

    Then the greatest hurdle of all, toggling graphics quality to max because older games seem to think modern graphics cards are garbage or the auto detect doesn't work.
  • Retycint - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    The difference is that - for this you get a subsidized system (it's definitely going to cost less than a comparable PC) with games that are optimized for controller use (vs PC games that are optimized for KBM and may or may not have good controller support). I don't own any consoles, in fact, but I can certainly see why people buy them
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    You seem to be engaging in last generation's console rant. They already crossed the Rubicon when they combined an x86 CPU with a standard PC graphics architecture and a Windows 10-based OS in the Xbone.
  • catavalon21 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    I wonder if there is a fan to assist heat exhaust if we lay these sideways, as the design allows for heat out the top. You can't get a console too cool. Some pretty high end hardware, even if custom, in a pretty small package, and I still fondly *cough* remember the RROD on Gen 1.
  • eddman - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    RROD wasn't caused by overheating. The reason was manufacturing flaws; apparently bad graphics chip solder material.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    It was both.

    The solder material was only a problem because of the dramatic difference between minimum and maximum temperatures that resulted from cramming so much high-powered hardware into a small space. The exact same materials but with 10-15 degrees knocked off the maximum temperature would have lasted for years.
  • shabby - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    This isn't a 15 watt console that requires no fan, there will be a big one on top.
  • dontlistentome - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Two HDMI out please so I don't have to update my amp to support VRR etc
  • A5 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    They're not going to do that. They might have optical out if you're lucky.
  • 29a - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Plug directly into the TV then use ARC.
  • UglyFrank - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    And this will probably arrive at the same time as Zen 3.....
  • MonkeyPaw - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Xbox Se X for short?
  • eddman - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Xbox SX; XSX.
  • Alistair - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    exactly, Xbox SX, or XSX
  • PeachNCream - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Clever! I like it!
  • nathanddrews - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Glad to see a disc drive still present.
  • RedGreenBlue - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    “but given that even AMD’s fastest discrete GPUs today don’t exceed 10 TFLOPS”
    Uh.. Vega 64 from 2 years ago is 12.5TFLOPS. It’s not unexpected if AMD’s embedded and custom division made a..... custom SOC. Like they have for every other console..... 4x is a tall order, but combining CPU and GPU when it’s rumored the GPU is between 12-15, and likely 7nm RDNA+, this is doable.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    The current-largest Navi falls short of doubling the performance of the Scorpio GPU (about 1.8x) and does so at roughly 50% higher power draw. They could improve power efficiency a lot by going wider and slower, but it's still not likely to push them very far past that mark and they'd pay a heavy price in terms of manufacturing costs.

    I genuinely don't think 4x the GPU performance is likely - maybe 3x at best, accounting for possible improvements in a newer architecture and/or going with a larger chip.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    Vega's also a great example of how TFLOPS is misleading, as it's slower than Navi despite having significantly more execution resources and memory bandwidth.
  • praktik - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Wow - looks like someone else finally making something in the very cool form factor of the Silverstone FT03!!

    https://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=291
  • willis936 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Oh jesus they used the SAME EXACT Alan Watts audio clip that Samsung did in their tacky commercial. Did eastern philosophy suddenly become a corporate marketing fad? The ads they use them in indicate that they haven't even bothered to listen or read any amount of Watts' work, they just wanted to fit in with the cool corps club.
  • Dragonstongue - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    too similar to Apple new launch by virtue of the way it looks, I bet you Apple had a hand in design this, just as they did with Win10 (funny that no one bothered to work hard on curtailing the metric ton of spam mail as of late)

    will that not be the day when the spam bots start trashing their business emails as well, then surely they will do something about it.

    I doth wonder if this will also ensure some of the long lingering "issues" with Win10 will be sorted out prior to launch of a new product into the same eco-system, or will the "compatible with" just be more a bullet point than anything else?
  • PeachNCream - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Seriously, what are you smoking that can put you on a rant about spam e-mail, link said spam to an operating system directly, and then somehow feel there is a linkage between those things and an announcement about the next Xbox?
  • Alistair - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Dragonstongue has never said anything coherent
  • milkywayer - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    So many words yet saying nothing at all.
  • jtd871 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    The FT-03 Mini rides again!
  • svan1971 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Christmas 2020 ? Why announce before Christmas 2019 ?
  • willis936 - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    They want to make sure no one accidentally buys an xbox one for Christmas 2019.
  • ksec - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    Now that console has SSD, I wonder if we could simply use it as a PC.
  • Midwayman - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    120hz available- everything runs at 30fps in reality.
  • Alistair - Friday, December 13, 2019 - link

    every Xbox One game with a patch will run at 120hz
  • boozed - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    In the menus or...?
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    Even the vanilla 5700 is more than 6x as powerful as the original Xbone GPU, and that's not accounting for the absolutely massive CPU performance increase between generations. 120fps at 1080p for original Xbone games should be a doddle. 4K *and* 120Hz seems unlikely, but then that's what VRR is for.
  • HStewart - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    I personally see no reason for XBox Series X even though I had every one since original XBox, 360 and XBox One S because UltraHD. But now there is better options for 4k - so XBox is not needed for me .

    It does not matter what is in it for me - just maybe I am growing up finally.
  • Korguz - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    " I personally see no reason for XBox Series X " and why would that be?
    " But now there is better options for 4k - so XBox is not needed for me ." then dont buy it :-)
  • marees - Saturday, December 14, 2019 - link

    Going by the gamespot interview, this new console is only twice as fast as the previous fastest console

    So the X1X was a true generational leap over the X1b ( even tho CPU was the same)

    The XsX otoh is only a half step improvement over the X1X (like the ps4 pro was over the ps4)
  • yetanotherhuman - Monday, December 16, 2019 - link

    Maybe when we're talking graphical power, but CPU power is a completely different story. The old consoles have crappy netbook-class Jaguar cores.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    The X1X was about 2/3 of a generational leap in GPU terms and 1/5 of one in CPU terms. This is the full monty - properly balanced CPU and GPU power in a console for the first time in many, many years.
  • 335 GT - Sunday, December 15, 2019 - link

    The perfect machine, no having to deal with Nvidia drivers. Bonus!
  • Zagor Te Nay - Monday, December 16, 2019 - link

    I actually like the look. It is refreshing, if not practical. My PS4 sits on the same cabinet as my TV, but thanks to TV's stand, PS4 nicely "slides" under the side of TV screen. Cabinet is small, basically as wide as TV, so the only way to put new X would be behind TV, or beside cabinet, though I'd rather not keep it on the carpet... I guess I could also move TV a bit to one side, let one corner hang over the cabinet and make some space on the other side... like I said, it is not the most versatile shape, but I like it nevertheless.

    But the name. I understand that it is XBox - "X" is the theme... but c'mon. Someone has already noticed, parents and grandparents - or any other non-gamer adult - will be easily confused by Xbox One X and Xbox Series X. It will also let dodgy sellers fool customers on purpose, in order to get rid of the older stock.

    O top of that, Series X inclines that there are going to be more models in it. Xbox X Series X? Xbox Series X Super X One?

    It is just too nerdy, imho. They should have stayed with code names - Scarlet etc., or do a "proper" generational numbering. Xbox 4, Xbox 4X (for mid-gen refresh), Xbox 4 Slim. I couldn't fault that.
  • Spunjji - Tuesday, December 17, 2019 - link

    They just don't want an Xbox 4 competing against a PS5. I'm pretty sure that's the entire "logical" basis for this nonsense they keep digging themselves further into.
  • letmepicyou - Saturday, December 21, 2019 - link

    So THATS why all the Xbox consoles are $150 off this holiday season...clearing out the stock.
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