Which is why they need a VESA mount - which most monitors have the proper mount-holes on the display itself; with the new XDR Pro Display, it's $200 add-on. You have to spend at LEAST $200 extra for a mount.
I know the cheese-grater comments are gratuitous, but I legitimately asked myself, "Why did they put a picture of a cheese grater next to that iMac?" when I saw the leading image. I thought I was missing some kind of inside joke, until I realized that was actually a photo of the new Mac Pro.
That's a non-issue. You can add more storage via PCIe if you want more internal SSD storage that is also faster than the T2-limited built-in SSD, or connect to a 10G ethernet SAN or NAS for external disk arrays, or use Thunderbolt 3 or USB.
This would have a been a lot more exciting a year or two ago before Epyc Rome and the current ongoing spate of Intel CPU bugs (two more today, whee) made the Intel bandwidth choking, feature gating and price premium look even worse than previously. Apple's idiotic forever-spat with Nvidia also torpedos a lot of the machine's pro potential, CUDA utterly dominates compute applications. Even with the price premium, if it was EPYC + Nvidia GPUs, and had all the storage plain PCIe it'd be a lot much more compelling. The own-goals are regrettable.
Have the full details of the Nvidia/Apple feud ever come to light? I had assumed it was Apple not allowing CUDA in 10.14+ and requiring Nvidia to fully support Metal, but is there more than that?
This Mac Pro had perfectly OK specs when it was announced in June but nearly six months later, it already looks dated before release. (And for those keeping track, this Mac Pro will be shipping a full six years after the last iteration.)
Epyc Rome is indeed the biggest thing to happen in servers in a long while. Higher performance at radically lower cost than Intel is a game changer. Not only would Apple have saved money in terms of processor selection, they wouldn't need any PCIe bridges either. As a bonus, Apple could have enabled Infinity Fabric to the GPUs from the Epyc CPU socket for even more bandwidth and coherency support. That is a win-win-win scenario.
The other factor Apple seemingly has missed is video card selection. I get the choice of Vega 20 for the highend config but the baseline probably should move upward to a RX 5700. The baseline Mac Pro graphics card is a ~$200 equivalent in the PC work now.
I just hope Mac users don't have to wait six more years for a refresh.
Apple doesn't care about what other people are doing. Not CUDA, nor even the industry standard they, themselves created - OpenCL! Neither are supported.
If you're a software vendor and you want access to Apple's big-spending customer base, you'll have to use Metal, for your GPU Compute. That's just how it is.
People who want to use CUDA applications probably aren't buying Macs, anyhow.
With the 16" MacBook Pro getting a SINGLE 8 TB SSD option, I wonder if this new Mac Pro will get a 16 TB (dual 8 TB) option, instead of the current-max dual 2 TB? It seems odd that the portable can have double the storage of the tower... (Although the photos of the motherboard on Apple's website also show it has two SATA ports, I wonder if there is space for two 3.5" spinny drives in there?
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M O B - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
The monitor doesn't even come with a stand or a VESA mount...p1esk - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
Maybe because many pros who will upgrade to this monitor use monitor arms.Papaspud - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
And any pros that don't.... will get to pay apple $1000 for that stand.CharonPDX - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
Which is why they need a VESA mount - which most monitors have the proper mount-holes on the display itself; with the new XDR Pro Display, it's $200 add-on. You have to spend at LEAST $200 extra for a mount.web2dot0 - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
If you can afford $6000 for a monitor and a nice VESA monitor ARM, I think you can afford a $200 VESA Mount adaptor. But hey, prove me wrong.This product isn't for people who can't justify spending $200 on a VESA mount.
Can you get that through your thin skull?
Samus - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
How do you think monitor arms attach to monitors? Magic?VESA mounts.
smilingcrow - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
A big Mac with cheese to go!mkozakewich - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
I know the cheese-grater comments are gratuitous, but I legitimately asked myself, "Why did they put a picture of a cheese grater next to that iMac?" when I saw the leading image. I thought I was missing some kind of inside joke, until I realized that was actually a photo of the new Mac Pro.Teckk - Wednesday, November 13, 2019 - link
So the new MBP Pro suports upto 8TB storage but this Mac Pro doesn'tAdditionalPylons - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
That's a non-issue. You can add more storage via PCIe if you want more internal SSD storage that is also faster than the T2-limited built-in SSD, or connect to a 10G ethernet SAN or NAS for external disk arrays, or use Thunderbolt 3 or USB.web2dot0 - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
You aren't their target market. LOL.You people just don't get it.
No one is forcing you to get one.
mode_13h - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Charming, aren't we?zanon - Thursday, November 14, 2019 - link
This would have a been a lot more exciting a year or two ago before Epyc Rome and the current ongoing spate of Intel CPU bugs (two more today, whee) made the Intel bandwidth choking, feature gating and price premium look even worse than previously. Apple's idiotic forever-spat with Nvidia also torpedos a lot of the machine's pro potential, CUDA utterly dominates compute applications. Even with the price premium, if it was EPYC + Nvidia GPUs, and had all the storage plain PCIe it'd be a lot much more compelling. The own-goals are regrettable.M O B - Thursday, November 14, 2019 - link
Have the full details of the Nvidia/Apple feud ever come to light? I had assumed it was Apple not allowing CUDA in 10.14+ and requiring Nvidia to fully support Metal, but is there more than that?prophet001 - Thursday, November 14, 2019 - link
Nobody likes playing with Apple.Kevin G - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
This Mac Pro had perfectly OK specs when it was announced in June but nearly six months later, it already looks dated before release. (And for those keeping track, this Mac Pro will be shipping a full six years after the last iteration.)Epyc Rome is indeed the biggest thing to happen in servers in a long while. Higher performance at radically lower cost than Intel is a game changer. Not only would Apple have saved money in terms of processor selection, they wouldn't need any PCIe bridges either. As a bonus, Apple could have enabled Infinity Fabric to the GPUs from the Epyc CPU socket for even more bandwidth and coherency support. That is a win-win-win scenario.
The other factor Apple seemingly has missed is video card selection. I get the choice of Vega 20 for the highend config but the baseline probably should move upward to a RX 5700. The baseline Mac Pro graphics card is a ~$200 equivalent in the PC work now.
I just hope Mac users don't have to wait six more years for a refresh.
mode_13h - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
Apple doesn't care about what other people are doing. Not CUDA, nor even the industry standard they, themselves created - OpenCL! Neither are supported.If you're a software vendor and you want access to Apple's big-spending customer base, you'll have to use Metal, for your GPU Compute. That's just how it is.
People who want to use CUDA applications probably aren't buying Macs, anyhow.
CharonPDX - Friday, November 15, 2019 - link
With the 16" MacBook Pro getting a SINGLE 8 TB SSD option, I wonder if this new Mac Pro will get a 16 TB (dual 8 TB) option, instead of the current-max dual 2 TB? It seems odd that the portable can have double the storage of the tower... (Although the photos of the motherboard on Apple's website also show it has two SATA ports, I wonder if there is space for two 3.5" spinny drives in there?