They went through the "ancestor" tools like knifes to make... a gamepad that looks exactly like every 3rd party gamepad out there that's been in the market for 15 years?
Oh, wait! Google now uses and promotes racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, free speech limitation and discrimination and political propaganda and election meddling - and of course privacy violations. Went from "don't be evil" to "as evil as possible" in a jiffy. Buy their products if you are a moron supporting all that.
Sadly, spyware companies like Google are hard to avoid as other large tech corporations go down the "watching everything you do" route in an effort to diversify their businesses. Although Alphabet/Google is leading the charge on degenerate, disgusting corporate greed, other companies are following along. Microsoft and Windows 10 are a case in point.
They made a PS4 type controller which I find painful to use. I want the analog stick in the resting position, at least the main one on the left. Fail for me. I'll get Xbox.
What the regulations are and what the devices actually put out are often two different things. There was an article in a scientific journal recently that reviewed last year's devices and found several of them exceeded the safe limits. And the Pixel 4 is too new to be able to "just check", nobody has it listed yet. Hence the rhetorical question about new, more powerful RF radiation emitters being included in the product.
I'm rather concerned about bitrate, all the good codecs have horrible range, LDAC on my device does about 5m maximum, without obstacles. One corner made of composite could break the signal.
lol, their security theatre is amusing. "Requiring partners to pass a security review before they can access your Nest devices." The real privacy concern is Google themselves. Giving the user all the switches and toggles in the world matters not when Google still tracks and retains all sorts of data about the user, what they do, what they say, where they go, etc.
Don't buy them. I don't get how this involves a subscription, data should be local, and it should connect directly to a mobile device through Wifi which counts as broadband. I won't buy any of these that asks for a subscription, whether in the name of "cloud" storage or a middleman server, it's simply insane.
Yeah, but its somehow okay to shove Nest into you parents home without them understanding how much is being collected about them and then further associated with web browsing, location information, e-mails, text messages, and so forth. Good going, buddy.u
No idea what you're talking about, I don't use Nest nor do my parents need remote monitoring. If I could imagine a proper use for that, it would be for monitoring kids.
Is his weird normal way, i think he is stating that lots of people have no idea about privacy and security with stuff like this and older people or just not forward thinking people will get this without a 2nd thought.
So can we get a version of the Pixel 4 without the long-range BT, Soli radar, or 5G radio? Should cut quite a bit off the price and spare your body a ton of RF radiation. Save the fully-loaded Cancer Cluster edition for the suckers who want convenience over long-term health.
There is no conclusive evidence that RF (or any other type of non-ionizing radiation) causes cancer. It *cannot* change DNA directly, but because some folks are concerned that heating water in the body can indirectly affect cancer rates, we keep seeing more and more studies looking for a needle in the haystack. If there is a link, it's extremely weak.
Not a link at ALL, its just people hear word radiation and get panic mode. Which is what happens to everything people worry about without actual knowledge. Every article ever done on RF from actual scientists show this.
I have no idea why yacoub35 is even bringing it up.
He's ignorant. RF radiation is all around you. Heat and visible light is more energetic. For example cellphone radio waves have to be weak enough to cause less than 1 degree of warming on your skin. Guess what causes a lot more than that? Your lightbulbs, or the sun. Or the heater in your room which emits more infrared that that.
I was laughing at a friend that uses an infrared heater (popular in Asia) and was afraid of cellphone "radiation" lol...
Just a little aside, I'm kind of mad because I went to a strata meeting and there was a group of crazy people who blocked "fibre to the home" from being installed because it was the same company doing home internet as cellphone service, and they got all worked up about it, and blocked a WIRED home internet plan. The Definition of "nuts".
"New audio recorder that's able to live transcribe as it's recording" Are the recordings stored in the cloud by default or only on the local device? Privacy question for the alleged privacy champions at Google.
- Google thinks telephoto is more important than ultra-wide-angle - I think that's just wrong and Google is on the wrong path here.
In terms of mkt the short-medium terms your are probably right, talking about photography they are probably right, getting more stuff in the frame doesn't mean getting a better picture. I think soon most of ppl will soon understand how useless an ultrawide is ( below 24 mm eq) especially in a small sensor, too much distortion, aberration etc etc. The 28 mm eq on the p20 pro maybe is a little too long but almost none need a 20 mm or less on a phone, IMHO of course
I agree, but their approach of "less than 2x" is questionable. I was going to say (or I may have already commented somewhere but forgot) if they go for a 22/23 equiv. main with a high resolution sensor (Samsung's 108MP most preferable of course, just that stacking in the ISP would need to be done pre-binned on the sensor level to 27MP) and a 3-3.5x telephoto(it sounds high but would only be slightly narrower than the competition meaning a further sensor size/aperture shrink probably wouldn't be needed) they could get away with most of the benefits of 3 cameras with only 2 modules. Mate30P's UWA is only ~21mm equiv. after the 4:3 crop in night mode after all.
Those who will not fit without UWA will not thank you. And a group AROUND the table or otherwise properly placed does not have to have anybody upfront.
Anyway, denying the usefulness of UWA when lenses like 14-24 have always been a part of "holy trinity" of professional lenses is idiotic. Yes, there are limitations and distortions - just like with anything else.
Ugh, a group around the table will have two people closest to you whose faces would look the biggest and most distorted, unless they're looking for that effect. OTOH the other end, and generally better selling (compared to the UWA) of the trinity is the 70-200.
Anandtech thinks ultra-wide-angle is more important than telephoto - I think that's just wrong and Google is on the right path here.
We all have our own opinions. I use telephoto far more than I use ultra-wide. Sure, some may argue (and it appears someone has) that I don't have a whole lot of friends around the table. For one, typically we sit at a long table if we ever have that many. Second, I tend to, you know, go outside more often than sit around a table. When you're outside, things are often in the distance, and I want as clear a shot as I can get.
Wow lol the more they rely on software the better for us Gcam port users I guess ;) The "up to" 9 shot stack is a surprise, I guess it could simply be configured to stack more with minimal change to the code, since my port does a 24 shot stack already and 9 would fit between "medium" and "high" in my settings, while 24 is "very high".
Software is not what its cracked up to be with google, the google camera app is getting worse not better. They putting to much focus on AI gimmick stuff now. So many shots i take now are often blurry, or "off" vs older google phones. Using a 3rd party photo app helps somewhat.
I don't think you're using it correctly. I shoot DNG, slow shutter x8 locked at 24 frames, everything else is default. It needs patience, and there's a predictable round halo in certain lighting conditions that ruins the shots(I try fixing it by underexposing manually by one stop or more or just give up and use the default camera for a crappy JPG), but other than that there's nothing wrong with it and I get μ43 grade output.
Using correctly? You press a button, it takes a pic. Its not like you have lots of options when taking a pic with a phone. One example of how terrible its "ai" is, that it will switch to nightmode automatically now inside a large indoor space. You also have to turn HDR off to get not blurry pictures now. Wood floors in sunlight will sometimes give off halo effect on objects around it.
...Indeed, you're not using it correctly. Gcam is a very powerful tool but not remotely a foolproof one. It's the view camera among smartphone cameras.
Yeah, the content seems to be switching abruptly. The Microsoft Surface event predestination was pretty good compared to this. Also, what's the thing at the top in the camera unit? Appears to be 3 lens + flash thing but it's not.
I did a search for "testmondials", and it looks to me like you've invented a new word. It's also useful for seeing which sites are copying your content.
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shabby - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
If the 64gb pixel 4 is going to cost $999 then may it rip.Ukyo - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
899 according to B&H Photo's preorder page...Ukyo - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Sorry, I mean 799, 899 is for the XLmfaisalkemal - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Hi Andrei F.On twitter you said about iPhone 11 review "It's finished on my side, it should go up after editing, maybe later today."
link:https://twitter.com/andreif7/status/11836615926108...
any chance the editor done and published it today?
Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
TomorrowToTTenTranz - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
They went through the "ancestor" tools like knifes to make... a gamepad that looks exactly like every 3rd party gamepad out there that's been in the market for 15 years?Ok google...
peevee - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
BS marketing... what else is new?Oh, wait! Google now uses and promotes racial discrimination, sexual discrimination, free speech limitation and discrimination and political propaganda and election meddling - and of course privacy violations. Went from "don't be evil" to "as evil as possible" in a jiffy. Buy their products if you are a moron supporting all that.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Sadly, spyware companies like Google are hard to avoid as other large tech corporations go down the "watching everything you do" route in an effort to diversify their businesses. Although Alphabet/Google is leading the charge on degenerate, disgusting corporate greed, other companies are following along. Microsoft and Windows 10 are a case in point.Alistair - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
They made a PS4 type controller which I find painful to use. I want the analog stick in the resting position, at least the main one on the left. Fail for me. I'll get Xbox.yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
"long range" BT? Great, how much RF radiation is this thing going to put off? :(willis936 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
You know, it isn't difficult to check.https://www.air802.com/fcc-rules-and-regulations.h...
yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
What the regulations are and what the devices actually put out are often two different things. There was an article in a scientific journal recently that reviewed last year's devices and found several of them exceeded the safe limits. And the Pixel 4 is too new to be able to "just check", nobody has it listed yet. Hence the rhetorical question about new, more powerful RF radiation emitters being included in the product.satai - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Citation needed.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
I'm rather concerned about bitrate, all the good codecs have horrible range, LDAC on my device does about 5m maximum, without obstacles. One corner made of composite could break the signal.yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
lol, their security theatre is amusing."Requiring partners to pass a security review before they can access your Nest devices."
The real privacy concern is Google themselves. Giving the user all the switches and toggles in the world matters not when Google still tracks and retains all sorts of data about the user, what they do, what they say, where they go, etc.
yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Nest Aware - Now you are the reality TV show for Google to watch. How creepy!s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Don't buy them.I don't get how this involves a subscription, data should be local, and it should connect directly to a mobile device through Wifi which counts as broadband.
I won't buy any of these that asks for a subscription, whether in the name of "cloud" storage or a middleman server, it's simply insane.
PeachNCream - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Yeah, but its somehow okay to shove Nest into you parents home without them understanding how much is being collected about them and then further associated with web browsing, location information, e-mails, text messages, and so forth. Good going, buddy.us.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
No idea what you're talking about, I don't use Nest nor do my parents need remote monitoring. If I could imagine a proper use for that, it would be for monitoring kids.imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Is his weird normal way, i think he is stating that lots of people have no idea about privacy and security with stuff like this and older people or just not forward thinking people will get this without a 2nd thought.yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
So can we get a version of the Pixel 4 without the long-range BT, Soli radar, or 5G radio? Should cut quite a bit off the price and spare your body a ton of RF radiation.Save the fully-loaded Cancer Cluster edition for the suckers who want convenience over long-term health.
proflogic - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
There is no conclusive evidence that RF (or any other type of non-ionizing radiation) causes cancer. It *cannot* change DNA directly, but because some folks are concerned that heating water in the body can indirectly affect cancer rates, we keep seeing more and more studies looking for a needle in the haystack. If there is a link, it's extremely weak.imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Not a link at ALL, its just people hear word radiation and get panic mode. Which is what happens to everything people worry about without actual knowledge. Every article ever done on RF from actual scientists show this.I have no idea why yacoub35 is even bringing it up.
Alistair - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
He's ignorant. RF radiation is all around you. Heat and visible light is more energetic. For example cellphone radio waves have to be weak enough to cause less than 1 degree of warming on your skin. Guess what causes a lot more than that? Your lightbulbs, or the sun. Or the heater in your room which emits more infrared that that.I was laughing at a friend that uses an infrared heater (popular in Asia) and was afraid of cellphone "radiation" lol...
Alistair - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Just a little aside, I'm kind of mad because I went to a strata meeting and there was a group of crazy people who blocked "fibre to the home" from being installed because it was the same company doing home internet as cellphone service, and they got all worked up about it, and blocked a WIRED home internet plan. The Definition of "nuts".yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
"New audio recorder that's able to live transcribe as it's recording"Are the recordings stored in the cloud by default or only on the local device? Privacy question for the alleged privacy champions at Google.
yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
"It's all offline with no external connectivity."Yay, one thing they've done right!
yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Remember when flagship phones were $499 and $799 was "only for suckers/Apple fanboys"? Pepperidge Farm remembers.Ironchef3500 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
+1yacoub35 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Seems like a decent camera setup aside from the lack of a very wide aspect lens.umano - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
- Google thinks telephoto is more important than ultra-wide-angle - I think that's just wrong and Google is on the wrong path here.In terms of mkt the short-medium terms your are probably right, talking about photography they are probably right, getting more stuff in the frame doesn't mean getting a better picture. I think soon most of ppl will soon understand how useless an ultrawide is ( below 24 mm eq) especially in a small sensor, too much distortion, aberration etc etc. The 28 mm eq on the p20 pro maybe is a little too long but almost none need a 20 mm or less on a phone, IMHO of course
willis936 - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
I was going to comment the same thing. Better telephoto has much more utility than ultrawide, in terms of capturing things I want to capture.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
I agree, but their approach of "less than 2x" is questionable. I was going to say (or I may have already commented somewhere but forgot) if they go for a 22/23 equiv. main with a high resolution sensor (Samsung's 108MP most preferable of course, just that stacking in the ISP would need to be done pre-binned on the sensor level to 27MP) and a 3-3.5x telephoto(it sounds high but would only be slightly narrower than the competition meaning a further sensor size/aperture shrink probably wouldn't be needed) they could get away with most of the benefits of 3 cameras with only 2 modules.Mate30P's UWA is only ~21mm equiv. after the 4:3 crop in night mode after all.
peevee - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
"I think soon most of ppl will soon understand how useless an ultrawide is ( below 24 mm eq)"You've never had many friends around your table, have you?
s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Try not using the UWA anyway, the ones up front will thank you.peevee - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Those who will not fit without UWA will not thank you. And a group AROUND the table or otherwise properly placed does not have to have anybody upfront.Anyway, denying the usefulness of UWA when lenses like 14-24 have always been a part of "holy trinity" of professional lenses is idiotic. Yes, there are limitations and distortions - just like with anything else.
s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Ugh, a group around the table will have two people closest to you whose faces would look the biggest and most distorted, unless they're looking for that effect.OTOH the other end, and generally better selling (compared to the UWA) of the trinity is the 70-200.
Tanclearas - Friday, October 18, 2019 - link
Anandtech thinks ultra-wide-angle is more important than telephoto - I think that's just wrong and Google is on the right path here.We all have our own opinions. I use telephoto far more than I use ultra-wide. Sure, some may argue (and it appears someone has) that I don't have a whole lot of friends around the table. For one, typically we sit at a long table if we ever have that many. Second, I tend to, you know, go outside more often than sit around a table. When you're outside, things are often in the distance, and I want as clear a shot as I can get.
s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Wow lol the more they rely on software the better for us Gcam port users I guess ;)The "up to" 9 shot stack is a surprise, I guess it could simply be configured to stack more with minimal change to the code, since my port does a 24 shot stack already and 9 would fit between "medium" and "high" in my settings, while 24 is "very high".
imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Software is not what its cracked up to be with google, the google camera app is getting worse not better. They putting to much focus on AI gimmick stuff now. So many shots i take now are often blurry, or "off" vs older google phones. Using a 3rd party photo app helps somewhat.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
I don't think you're using it correctly. I shoot DNG, slow shutter x8 locked at 24 frames, everything else is default. It needs patience, and there's a predictable round halo in certain lighting conditions that ruins the shots(I try fixing it by underexposing manually by one stop or more or just give up and use the default camera for a crappy JPG), but other than that there's nothing wrong with it and I get μ43 grade output.imaheadcase - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Using correctly? You press a button, it takes a pic. Its not like you have lots of options when taking a pic with a phone. One example of how terrible its "ai" is, that it will switch to nightmode automatically now inside a large indoor space. You also have to turn HDR off to get not blurry pictures now. Wood floors in sunlight will sometimes give off halo effect on objects around it.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
...Indeed, you're not using it correctly. Gcam is a very powerful tool but not remotely a foolproof one. It's the view camera among smartphone cameras.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Sorry LR's camera should be the view camera, this is more like one of those modular MFs.Teckk - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Yeah, the content seems to be switching abruptly. The Microsoft Surface event predestination was pretty good compared to this.Also, what's the thing at the top in the camera unit? Appears to be 3 lens + flash thing but it's not.
peevee - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
$180 earbuds! Google is trying to be Gucci.Sorry, I'll keep using my $1 buds with perfect sound and no need to charge. :)
s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
What's questionable is whether or not Google branded earphones may charge this rate, Sony/Bose/AudioTechnica/Sennheiser, easily.Ananke - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
Goochi earbuds:)
mkozakewich - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
I did a search for "testmondials", and it looks to me like you've invented a new word. It's also useful for seeing which sites are copying your content.s.yu - Tuesday, October 15, 2019 - link
lol! The word vaguely makes weird sense.