"Yu said that it might be possible for users to install the GMS core onto the phones through either third-party app stores or websites."
Its not clear to me what exactly will not be available to Mate 30 users directly out of the box as well as what would be impossible to load later through third-party app stores.
From what I’ve read, Huawei said that these apps are on the phone now, but hidden, and inactivated. They had a name for that, but I don’t remember what it was. They say that they can be activated by some code that will be downloadable. This is all illegal, but I suppose Huawei doesn’t much care, since it’s almost impossible to sue a Chinese company, according to some laws the Chinese government installed a couple of years ago, or so.
But, in China, and a few other countries, they don’t need the Play store, because most everything is done with one of two apps—WeChat and AliPay. QQ and Weibo are also very popular. They can do most everything with those apps, and we can be sure they’re going to be available.
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No I think it's just China, Wechat's popular in SE Asia too but not so much elsewhere, Alipay's penetration abroad is especially limited, though I'd like to see the opposite because Tencent is more morally questionable than Alibaba while Paypal is far less usable.
Anyone who has played with AOSP ROMs in the past (Lineage, etc) can tell you it's pretty easy to load Google Play Services + Apps on the phone if the bootloader is unlocked.
Anyone who wants to be able to load them will probably be able to do so trivially.
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My Honor 5X of 2015 (the one I still use) came without any service or application from Google. A few minutes after turning it on for the first time, I already had them installed and running, I just needed Google Play, GMail and Maps, and that was what I installed, of course, first Google Play Services
Google services and Play Store can be boxed off fairly easily from Android OS, which is what happened to phones sold in China. Play Store and GMS can also be easily activated, restored or installed via apk, which just about major Chinese domestic phone brands have made available via the brand's own app store. I am sure Huawei will do likewise.
The positive of this will be that users outside China will start thinking Play Store and Android OS are not a single entity. We can choose how and where we purchase apps and services. Hopefully this will bring about some real competition.
Another positive is that losing Play Store and GMS forces Huawei to finally unlock the phone so to make their phones more appealing.
New Mate 30 line is no different than installing a custom rom, You get the 4 apks of the google package and voila, you got the google software ecosystem in 3mins flat.
Who wouldn't be excited about this? The entire world (Apple users willing to get raked across the coals for a status symbol aside) has been getting boned up the pooper by Creepy Uncle Google's spyware data collection in exchange for free candy services you don't really need for years. The less Alphabet hooks are in the phone the better as far as I'm concerned. If someone wants to load Google bloatware on their device then have at it and enjoy the free candy from the windowless van down by the river full of meat beater ad-hocking creepsters that read your everything and know where you are 24x7, but at that point its a choice to get molested by those a**hats rather than something you just have to bend over and grab your ankles for anytime you lay hands on your phone.
Can you elaborate? While I'm not terribly interested in discussing the "necessary", as that can become a distraction and be used for obfuscated proxy discussions, I can explain my position about that things. For me, the services Google provides are invaluable (interestingly, that's the same term I would apply to my precious bits, bytes & words, though with a different emphasis). I'm believe I'm aware of the majority of data Google gathers, and I use dashboard to check, correct & delete what data they have. I realize that's no guarantee but I trust in Google's self-interest & expertise.
Selling phones without Play Services is basically committing to a hard fork of Android over the long term. This is the first step you take to get a Fire OS or Tizen.
Alternatives are always nice, I suppose, but I personally wouldn't buy Huawei's fork of Android. I already don't really like EMUI, and they won't ever make a phone with good LTE band support in the US anyway.
This isn't any "fork": this is plain Android AOSP but you will have Huawei ecosystem (app store, etc) pre-installed out of the box instead of Google's one. Look at the specs: "Android 10 w/ EMUI 10 [which is the Huawei skin on top of Android]"
I'd rather let the Chinese cyberstalk me since they're probably about one third as sophisticated and one tenth as pervasive as Google. Some poor guy over in China can fall asleep watching my boring life..."Yeah Peach is going to Dunkin Donuts again on Wednesday evening just like every other Wednesday evening." At least they won't log that and store it in some persistent creeper advertiser database while using the excuse, "Oh, but it gets to know you and learns all about you to make your life better," that so many mindless, unthinking human drones have taken the bait on completely.
You overestimate your importance to China. They couldn't care less about a regular citizen with no access to sensitive data. This is assuming they even use their phones to spy on its users in the first place, which has not been proven to date
If you're aware of their policies then you'd know how much access to privacy they're asking for even on the surface. Unlike the FBI, they don't need a warrant or any formal request to access private user data stored on Chinese servers. China's recently detained a number of foreigners on false grounds and unrestricted access to your data could help them with an excuse.
Now you get the best of both worlds. No Google spying and whatever fantasy you might have about Huawei's products being used to spy are simply not relevant even in the off chance such a unicorn actually exists.
Not at all. Just not worried the PLA is going to drop through the ceiling tiles and spirit me away to a Chinese labor camp while I'm living and working in the US. Maybe if there's some kind of invasion or economic takeover, but whatever it that happens.
Excellent news regarding de-googleing or un-googleing our smartphones.
And the irony is sweet too, US forcefully imposing it or this is what they think anyway, that they are negotiating from a power perspective but boy are they wrong because in the long term this will turn out to be a successful move by huawei and other market players will turn to this strategy also.
aahhh, zee americans ;) funny how they blow their own foundation!
I don't believe them. Huawei's 960fps for two generations has been faked i.e. interpolated from 480 and 240fps, in contrast to Sony's true 960fps, which is 960fps readout from the sensor. I won't be surprised if this number is again severely inflated by unspecified interpolation.
It's a shame they don't offer 256GB and water resistant with the regular Mate 30. 3.5mm headphone jet is dying, sacrificing water resistant for a headphone jet is not worth it for most folks. Otherwise Mate 30 is a solid choice over Mate 30 Pro. I never really liked curved screen, I think it's easier to break and offers very little in return.
Plenty of phones have been water-resistant with a headphone jack. Samsung did it just fine. It's an excuse, nothing more. There might be real cost implications and they needed to keep to a price point but why not just say that? Agree with the curved screen. It looks poncy but its a pain to use without a case to protect against accidental presses. It's all about the visual appeal in the shop.
The 3.5 mm jack connector is dying on smartphone because that's an old school, relatively big, analog connector. It was a must have for any smartphone, according to many including me, until the recent USB-C headphones alternative. With those in mind the 3.5 jack connector is quite pointless and redundant on a smartphone.
Exactly. This is the main issue, it's not the choice of ports but the removal of one, I'll live with 2 C ports but not with just one, not in a few years.
Audio is always Analog and the DAC processing is a must for every tone of Audio to any living organism and humans have a great perception of Audio with a specific set of frequencies.
Analog is DRM free. No BS drama like licensed dongles, SoC handshake, Made for Google/Apple rip off.
Analog 3.5mm port has cylindrical shape and depth making it most robust connector of all, from ease of insertion to longevity since USB C has very limited life vs this.
LG phones annihilate all smartphones in sheer Audio processing without any added baggage or extra $$ drama or DRM BS. It can decode DSD 6000Kbps or 320 or 1000+ FLAC Hi Res audio That's due to their Excellent Studio grade ESS9218P processor (found in X570 Aorus Extreme $700 motherboard) MSI has ESS DACs in their Flagship Godlike series and ASUS also uses 9038P in their Crosshair VIII lineup, this is the DIY market and Notebook PC market has the ESS Sabre DACs from Clevo/Sager, MSI also uses ESS. USB C headsets will have inferior chips for DACs which make it worse.
All the Hi-Fi Audio equipment and moviemakers everyone uses 3.5mm Jack or 6mm big arse jack for the Hi Impedance headsets, without any BS latency or stupid arse DRMed mess (Apple has max sub 320kbps at 200ish bitrate through 200USD AirPods and AptX needs certification for the 320kbps rate and while more than that you need AptXHD which is found on so less products in the Wireless spectrum and LDAC is only exclusive to Sony at max 900 which is okay for basic FLAC but not 16-bit and 24Bit Hi Res files continuous recharging everyday making it a planned obsolescence trash.
All the music you or any one listen is analog and makers / creators use analog audio and 3.5mm only. Period. There is simply no other way without latency and without bullshit cheap DAC interventions in the Dongle BS or Wireless Junk. And High Fidelity and High Quality Audio omly works in Analog processing only.
So Stop drinking the Bullshit kool-aid of Apple claiming less space, look at ROG II and LG G8 they both have so much tech in them counting from big arse 6K battery to ToF sensor and a OLED exciter, or a Note 9 with Silo for S-Pen and a jack and 4K battery.
Sennheisers, Shures, DUNU, iBasso, Sony (Ironic how Xperias lack it), Chord Audio, Schiit Audio, FiiO, Topping, Final Audio, RHA. All these have 3.5mm jacks and Audio devices from IEMs to AMPs, DACs for Desktop and Portable.
Just because simpletons are mass market (Beats and Apple have 50% of the total market in Wireless removing jacks will oinly increase sales for Jaybirds and cheap RealMe type IEMs not the first party garbage like Galaxy buds) means the 3.5mm analog superior port is redundant and old. Get your facts right.
"Big"?! USB C ports are about three times as big and rated to more insertions, cannot be plugged into at any straight angle and more importantly cannot rotate.
Totally agree. Curved displays are annoying. They look good but are really hard to protect, scratch easily, if dropped almost always land on a glass curve and can't get good screen protectors for them. Flat displays you can just pop some tempered glass on top. One of the reasons I went for the P30 not the P30 Pro when the choice presented itself.
You can quite easily 'waterproof' a headphone jack socket, although yes, it does require a bit more work. They might use it as an excuse, but it's just to 'give' the Pro more features.
nobody seems to be talking about how freaking humungus phones are getting these days... cmon someone make a good small phone so i can upgrade. the s10 in my pocket might just be upgraded to a s11, and i kinda want a different manufacturer.
It's been a while since I've played with custom ROMS. I think my Nvidia Shield is the most recent device. However, for that I seem to remember that you had to install the Gapps APK at the same time you were installing the custom ROM. If that's what's required with these phones, then ordinary users are never going to do that.
Has this improved recently? Can I just download the Gapps APK and install it without wiping the phone? Even that is a lot to ask when the competition has all the Google apps installed already, but more people might be willing to do it.
I also worry about the security implications of asking people to sideload APK's from a third party app store. Presumably Huawei can't host the files themselves, so people will have to seek out the APKs from somewhere online. It seems like a very easy way for a scammer to trick people into installing malware.
-A new rom hits -24 pages stating that the created is the best EVER. OMG so AMAZING. -5 pages going on about issues. -74 pages complaining that x or y doesn't work -A new rom hits.
Thanks Andrei! Yes, these are premium phones at premium prices; hope the cameras live up to the hype, they sound great. For me, the biggest downsides are the absence of GMA software and services (due to political BS) and the proprietary memory cards one must use to expand the storage. That leads me to my two questions: 1. Any information on how much Huawei charges for, lets say, a 256 GB card, and are they fast enough to record 4K 10 bit HDR video directly to the card? 2. That ultra slow-motion claim (7680 fps at 720p) boggles my mind. How many seconds can it do that for? For anything approaching or even exceeding one second, Huawei must have put a serious amount of memory either right on or directly connected to the CMOS sensor. Can you ask them about the duration of slow-motion recording and how they achieve it? Thanks!
4k60 would require about 0.5Gpixel/s, 720p7680 is a little over 7Gpixel/sec, so I wouldn't be too surprised if you were limited to about 1/10 sec clip. Though watching that clip back would take nearly 13 seconds!!!
1440P screen is pointless and just eats up your battery faster. Also why are we doing the double standards here? Apple charges over $1000 after tax for a 1792 x 828 screen on iphone 11, I pointed it out in one of the reviews a week ago and all I received was personal attacks: https://www.anandtech.com/show/14859/apple-announc...
If i'm paying a premium price i expect every part of it to be premium, not half assed. I didn't notice much difference on my s10 with battery life, 90hz is the real battery killer. If someone is attacking you just talk about their fat mom, they always back down.
The S10 uses a FHD-ish resolution (2280 x 1080) out of the box, in order to conserve power. You need to go into display settings and change it to a higher resolution in order to display at full resolution.
So this just further proves the point that 1440P is redundant because you didn't even notice that it was at full HD
OIS and HDR 4K/60 if it will record without statter finally are the only interesting points, the other world records and new features are just pure hype or even step back (curved screen). Ok, I'll pay $50 more for all of them together next year or two.
Decently I was more shocked today reading specs of $100-$200-$300 and even $50 unbranded phones on eBay and Amazon. I encourage all to do that exercise and then ask Andrey to test them against these overhiped behemoths. That will something with something !
I admit to being amused that the "cheaper" phone has analog audio out and the more expensive one doesn't. What a world we live in, where you SACRIFICE features at the top end.
It’s because people who can only afford cheaper phones are also more likely to only be able to afford cheaper wired headphones whereas people who can afford more expensive phones can also afford Bluetooth headphones.
This is also the reason why it tends to be cheaper phones that have SD card slots so they can come with a lower amount of storage (to keep the upfront price down) that the user can add to it later.
A CPC corporation (Funded directly by State) with founders past in the history of that and the Private nature of the company which follows the govt's orders directly and ripping off the IP, and forcing the users (EMUI garbage, which only gives affinity to the first party bloatware) without ooptions and the Propreitary SD card format negating all options and no Bootloader unlock.
Plus the "Fake 5G" which is not capable of mmWave (China doesn't have mmWave 5G) having a 5G as a brand image on that SoC which doesn't have any means of ownership and the HW which imitates the Apple (Wireless earbuds, Notches, lack of jack and walled garden orwellian garbage) To make things worse this doesn't have the Google Play Services stack which means no Android Playstore and the absolute sellout nature of EU's Porsche and Leica is so shameful giving billions to this corporation where the funds are being utilized to do brainwashing for the whole nation and it's citizens deprived of their freedom of expression of thoughts by subversion is the worst situation.
Never support such crooked ideas. I'm stunned by how the tone of the title is pleasant and how people here are fine with spyware from China. Tencent's Timmy from Epic Game Store and the media control with mediocre progressive garbage from Hollywierd isn't enough red pills I guess. Ignorance is bliss but Arrogance is outright stupid.
Couldn't agree more. As long as they get their shinies for a cheap price, everything is ok with the world. Just like illegal immigrants so we 'get cheap food' but pay hidden costs in other ways(both monetary, socially, regulatory, etc). Let's really think about the situation and what it means to Americans that support this type of commerce. So, these Americans in these comments, who would not do such work for such low wages are ok with exploiting others just so they can get their products as cheap as possible. And I'm the ahole for wanting to pay a little more so actual US citizens with better wages produce these goods?
Given Huawei's business practices of stealing other companies' IP and making profit on it without paying proper license fees, I will never buy another Huawei product and I hope everyone in the civilized world will do the same.
I am surprised they haven't opened up with much lower price (than €1100). They are underdog with very questionable future for this phone, outside of China. Uncertainty of phone's software future should have reflected on the price - and I would expect that they have margin to shave of, without actually losing money.
Drawing in more customers with low price could, eventually, motivate Google to exercise their lobbying power within US institutions and come up with better deal for everyone. Them included.
I think you got it the other way around, they're trying to position themselves as the new Apple, that requires abusive pricing to appeal to masochists.
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soliloquist - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
"Yu said that it might be possible for users to install the GMS core onto the phones through either third-party app stores or websites."Its not clear to me what exactly will not be available to Mate 30 users directly out of the box as well as what would be impossible to load later through third-party app stores.
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
There won't be GMS or Play Store out of the box, however users might be able to install these onto the phone afterwards.melgross - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
From what I’ve read, Huawei said that these apps are on the phone now, but hidden, and inactivated. They had a name for that, but I don’t remember what it was. They say that they can be activated by some code that will be downloadable. This is all illegal, but I suppose Huawei doesn’t much care, since it’s almost impossible to sue a Chinese company, according to some laws the Chinese government installed a couple of years ago, or so.But, in China, and a few other countries, they don’t need the Play store, because most everything is done with one of two apps—WeChat and AliPay. QQ and Weibo are also very popular. They can do most everything with those apps, and we can be sure they’re going to be available.
This administration is doing far more long term harm to our economy than most people realize.
s.yu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
No I think it's just China, Wechat's popular in SE Asia too but not so much elsewhere, Alipay's penetration abroad is especially limited, though I'd like to see the opposite because Tencent is more morally questionable than Alibaba while Paypal is far less usable.BedfordTim - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Why would they do that? Users can just install them at any time and for the rest having hidden apps is just a waste of space.Gastec - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
The administration and economy of which country? Don't tell me Murica...A5 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Anyone who has played with AOSP ROMs in the past (Lineage, etc) can tell you it's pretty easy to load Google Play Services + Apps on the phone if the bootloader is unlocked.Anyone who wants to be able to load them will probably be able to do so trivially.
quiksilvr - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
I'm 99% sure you can just download the APK for Google Play Services and Google Play Store on your phone if you want it.Lolimaster - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
In total 4 apks google framework and another one. If you just install play services and playstore it will not workcoburn_c - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Pretty sure Huawei started locking their boot loaders awhile ago.vladx - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
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MaikelSZ - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
My Honor 5X of 2015 (the one I still use) came without any service or application from Google. A few minutes after turning it on for the first time, I already had them installed and running, I just needed Google Play, GMail and Maps, and that was what I installed, of course, first Google Play Serviceswr3zzz - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Google services and Play Store can be boxed off fairly easily from Android OS, which is what happened to phones sold in China. Play Store and GMS can also be easily activated, restored or installed via apk, which just about major Chinese domestic phone brands have made available via the brand's own app store. I am sure Huawei will do likewise.The positive of this will be that users outside China will start thinking Play Store and Android OS are not a single entity. We can choose how and where we purchase apps and services. Hopefully this will bring about some real competition.
Another positive is that losing Play Store and GMS forces Huawei to finally unlock the phone so to make their phones more appealing.
Sharma_Ji - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
https://www.xda-developers.com/huawei-mate-30-goog...I'm pretty sure Huawei will be going with the Stub APK approach.
Lolimaster - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
New Mate 30 line is no different than installing a custom rom, You get the 4 apks of the google package and voila, you got the google software ecosystem in 3mins flat.bairlangga - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
You sound uncannily excited, anandtech.PeachNCream - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Who wouldn't be excited about this? The entire world (Apple users willing to get raked across the coals for a status symbol aside) has been getting boned up the pooper by Creepy Uncle Google's spyware data collection in exchange for free candy services you don't really need for years. The less Alphabet hooks are in the phone the better as far as I'm concerned. If someone wants to load Google bloatware on their device then have at it and enjoy the free candy from the windowless van down by the river full of meat beater ad-hocking creepsters that read your everything and know where you are 24x7, but at that point its a choice to get molested by those a**hats rather than something you just have to bend over and grab your ankles for anytime you lay hands on your phone.ABR - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Be careful what you wish for.PeachNCream - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
I am careful. The world can't get rid of Alphabet soon enough.tuxRoller - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Can you elaborate?While I'm not terribly interested in discussing the "necessary", as that can become a distraction and be used for obfuscated proxy discussions, I can explain my position about that things.
For me, the services Google provides are invaluable (interestingly, that's the same term I would apply to my precious bits, bytes & words, though with a different emphasis). I'm believe I'm aware of the majority of data Google gathers, and I use dashboard to check, correct & delete what data they have. I realize that's no guarantee but I trust in Google's self-interest & expertise.
mrochester - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
This is great. Lord knows the mobile world needs to pry google's cold sweaty hands off of our phones.A5 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Selling phones without Play Services is basically committing to a hard fork of Android over the long term. This is the first step you take to get a Fire OS or Tizen.Alternatives are always nice, I suppose, but I personally wouldn't buy Huawei's fork of Android. I already don't really like EMUI, and they won't ever make a phone with good LTE band support in the US anyway.
Sensi23 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
This isn't any "fork": this is plain Android AOSP but you will have Huawei ecosystem (app store, etc) pre-installed out of the box instead of Google's one.Look at the specs: "Android 10 w/ EMUI 10 [which is the Huawei skin on top of Android]"
Tams80 - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Tizen isn't an Android fork.melgross - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Yup, and put them into the hands of the Chinese government. Who knows what’s in Huawei phones now?PeachNCream - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
I'd rather let the Chinese cyberstalk me since they're probably about one third as sophisticated and one tenth as pervasive as Google. Some poor guy over in China can fall asleep watching my boring life..."Yeah Peach is going to Dunkin Donuts again on Wednesday evening just like every other Wednesday evening." At least they won't log that and store it in some persistent creeper advertiser database while using the excuse, "Oh, but it gets to know you and learns all about you to make your life better," that so many mindless, unthinking human drones have taken the bait on completely.s.yu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
You underestimate the Party.Retycint - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
You overestimate your importance to China. They couldn't care less about a regular citizen with no access to sensitive data. This is assuming they even use their phones to spy on its users in the first place, which has not been proven to dates.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
If you're aware of their policies then you'd know how much access to privacy they're asking for even on the surface. Unlike the FBI, they don't need a warrant or any formal request to access private user data stored on Chinese servers.China's recently detained a number of foreigners on false grounds and unrestricted access to your data could help them with an excuse.
PeachNCream - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Solution: Don't go to China.Now you get the best of both worlds. No Google spying and whatever fantasy you might have about Huawei's products being used to spy are simply not relevant even in the off chance such a unicorn actually exists.
s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Blissfully ignorant.PeachNCream - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Not at all. Just not worried the PLA is going to drop through the ceiling tiles and spirit me away to a Chinese labor camp while I'm living and working in the US. Maybe if there's some kind of invasion or economic takeover, but whatever it that happens.s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Sorry, more aptly as another guy put it: Ignorance is bliss but Arrogance is outright stupid.You want a predator for a raccoon infestation you don't go for the boa constrictors. You'll find them much more of a pain to eradicate.
BedfordTim - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Glad to know the party cares so much about me.mobutu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Excellent news regarding de-googleing or un-googleing our smartphones.And the irony is sweet too, US forcefully imposing it or this is what they think anyway, that they are negotiating from a power perspective but boy are they wrong because in the long term this will turn out to be a successful move by huawei and other market players will turn to this strategy also.
aahhh, zee americans ;) funny how they blow their own foundation!
patel21 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
"720p7680fps video capture"Wouldn't this be the worlds first ?
s.yu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
I don't believe them.Huawei's 960fps for two generations has been faked i.e. interpolated from 480 and 240fps, in contrast to Sony's true 960fps, which is 960fps readout from the sensor.
I won't be surprised if this number is again severely inflated by unspecified interpolation.
airdrifting - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
It's a shame they don't offer 256GB and water resistant with the regular Mate 30. 3.5mm headphone jet is dying, sacrificing water resistant for a headphone jet is not worth it for most folks.Otherwise Mate 30 is a solid choice over Mate 30 Pro. I never really liked curved screen, I think it's easier to break and offers very little in return.
philehidiot - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Plenty of phones have been water-resistant with a headphone jack. Samsung did it just fine. It's an excuse, nothing more. There might be real cost implications and they needed to keep to a price point but why not just say that? Agree with the curved screen. It looks poncy but its a pain to use without a case to protect against accidental presses. It's all about the visual appeal in the shop.Sensi23 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
The 3.5 mm jack connector is dying on smartphone because that's an old school, relatively big, analog connector. It was a must have for any smartphone, according to many including me, until the recent USB-C headphones alternative. With those in mind the 3.5 jack connector is quite pointless and redundant on a smartphone.vladx - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Headphone jack is not useless still to me, USB C headphones means you can't charge and listen at the same time.Sensi23 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
QFT. I guess some dongle would do the trick in that particular circumstance (I rarely do both at the same time).Sensi23 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
What about wireless charging otherwise? It could be a better trick than a dongle in your case.s.yu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Exactly. This is the main issue, it's not the choice of ports but the removal of one, I'll live with 2 C ports but not with just one, not in a few years.Quantumz0d - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Audio is always Analog and the DAC processing is a must for every tone of Audio to any living organism and humans have a great perception of Audio with a specific set of frequencies.Analog is DRM free. No BS drama like licensed dongles, SoC handshake, Made for Google/Apple rip off.
Analog 3.5mm port has cylindrical shape and depth making it most robust connector of all, from ease of insertion to longevity since USB C has very limited life vs this.
LG phones annihilate all smartphones in sheer Audio processing without any added baggage or extra $$ drama or DRM BS. It can decode DSD 6000Kbps or 320 or 1000+ FLAC Hi Res audio That's due to their Excellent Studio grade ESS9218P processor (found in X570 Aorus Extreme $700 motherboard) MSI has ESS DACs in their Flagship Godlike series and ASUS also uses 9038P in their Crosshair VIII lineup, this is the DIY market and Notebook PC market has the ESS Sabre DACs from Clevo/Sager, MSI also uses ESS. USB C headsets will have inferior chips for DACs which make it worse.
All the Hi-Fi Audio equipment and moviemakers everyone uses 3.5mm Jack or 6mm big arse jack for the Hi Impedance headsets, without any BS latency or stupid arse DRMed mess (Apple has max sub 320kbps at 200ish bitrate through 200USD AirPods and AptX needs certification for the 320kbps rate and while more than that you need AptXHD which is found on so less products in the Wireless spectrum and LDAC is only exclusive to Sony at max 900 which is okay for basic FLAC but not 16-bit and 24Bit Hi Res files continuous recharging everyday making it a planned obsolescence trash.
All the music you or any one listen is analog and makers / creators use analog audio and 3.5mm only. Period. There is simply no other way without latency and without bullshit cheap DAC interventions in the Dongle BS or Wireless Junk. And High Fidelity and High Quality Audio omly works in Analog processing only.
So Stop drinking the Bullshit kool-aid of Apple claiming less space, look at ROG II and LG G8 they both have so much tech in them counting from big arse 6K battery to ToF sensor and a OLED exciter, or a Note 9 with Silo for S-Pen and a jack and 4K battery.
Sennheisers, Shures, DUNU, iBasso, Sony (Ironic how Xperias lack it), Chord Audio, Schiit Audio, FiiO, Topping, Final Audio, RHA. All these have 3.5mm jacks and Audio devices from IEMs to AMPs, DACs for Desktop and Portable.
Just because simpletons are mass market (Beats and Apple have 50% of the total market in Wireless removing jacks will oinly increase sales for Jaybirds and cheap RealMe type IEMs not the first party garbage like Galaxy buds) means the 3.5mm analog superior port is redundant and old. Get your facts right.
Tams80 - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
"Big"?! USB C ports are about three times as big and rated to more insertions, cannot be plugged into at any straight angle and more importantly cannot rotate.plewis00 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Totally agree. Curved displays are annoying. They look good but are really hard to protect, scratch easily, if dropped almost always land on a glass curve and can't get good screen protectors for them. Flat displays you can just pop some tempered glass on top. One of the reasons I went for the P30 not the P30 Pro when the choice presented itself.BedfordTim - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
If your screen doesn't break you may not buy another one. Hence the trend to maximise fragility.Gastec - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
While maintaining the illusion of better resitance and marketing it accordingly.Tams80 - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
You can quite easily 'waterproof' a headphone jack socket, although yes, it does require a bit more work. They might use it as an excuse, but it's just to 'give' the Pro more features.coburn_c - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Pffft. Ask Apple how replacing Google goes.austinsguitar - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
nobody seems to be talking about how freaking humungus phones are getting these days... cmon someone make a good small phone so i can upgrade. the s10 in my pocket might just be upgraded to a s11, and i kinda want a different manufacturer.philehidiot - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Only when we reach peak Trigger Happy TV will phones begin to diminish in size.https://duckduckgo.com/?q=trigger+happy+tv+phone&a...
BedfordTim - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
The weird thing is that there are a vast number of near identical phablets and yet almost nothing smaller.BedfordTim - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Arrghh no edit. If it was a small market segment I could understand but Apple and Samsung sell a lot of smaller phones.arashi - Monday, September 23, 2019 - link
What's wrong with the S10eLolimaster - Monday, September 23, 2019 - link
In the land of multimedia the 5.8" of my s9 seems. a bit small (5.25" for 16:9 content). I think the sweet spot for this wide phones is 6.5".ballsystemlord - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Yay, no more NSA! (Google is in league with the NSA).FunBunny2 - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
"Yay, no more NSA! (Google is in league with the NSA)."yeah. the PLA makes much more sense.
cfenton - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
It's been a while since I've played with custom ROMS. I think my Nvidia Shield is the most recent device. However, for that I seem to remember that you had to install the Gapps APK at the same time you were installing the custom ROM. If that's what's required with these phones, then ordinary users are never going to do that.Has this improved recently? Can I just download the Gapps APK and install it without wiping the phone? Even that is a lot to ask when the competition has all the Google apps installed already, but more people might be willing to do it.
I also worry about the security implications of asking people to sideload APK's from a third party app store. Presumably Huawei can't host the files themselves, so people will have to seek out the APKs from somewhere online. It seems like a very easy way for a scammer to trick people into installing malware.
damianrobertjones - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Has the scene changed?-A new rom hits
-24 pages stating that the created is the best EVER. OMG so AMAZING.
-5 pages going on about issues.
-74 pages complaining that x or y doesn't work
-A new rom hits.
Lolimaster - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
Download the 4 apk packages, insert your login data, restart and voila.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Thanks Andrei! Yes, these are premium phones at premium prices; hope the cameras live up to the hype, they sound great.For me, the biggest downsides are the absence of GMA software and services (due to political BS) and the proprietary memory cards one must use to expand the storage. That leads me to my two questions:
1. Any information on how much Huawei charges for, lets say, a 256 GB card, and are they fast enough to record 4K 10 bit HDR video directly to the card?
2. That ultra slow-motion claim (7680 fps at 720p) boggles my mind. How many seconds can it do that for? For anything approaching or even exceeding one second, Huawei must have put a serious amount of memory either right on or directly connected to the CMOS sensor. Can you ask them about the duration of slow-motion recording and how they achieve it? Thanks!
eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
Edit: GMS, not GMA.QChronoD - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
4k60 would require about 0.5Gpixel/s, 720p7680 is a little over 7Gpixel/sec, so I wouldn't be too surprised if you were limited to about 1/10 sec clip. Though watching that clip back would take nearly 13 seconds!!!shabby - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
These guys are charging too much for a 1080p screen.airdrifting - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
1440P screen is pointless and just eats up your battery faster. Also why are we doing the double standards here? Apple charges over $1000 after tax for a 1792 x 828 screen on iphone 11, I pointed it out in one of the reviews a week ago and all I received was personal attacks:https://www.anandtech.com/show/14859/apple-announc...
s.yu - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
And I think somebody did answer you, Apple's 1792 x 828 is RGB stripe and good for each pixel, this is OLED, Pentile or worse.Lolimaster - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
its pentile same as the x or xs. The only rgb oled for mobile displays are the ones on the galaxy tab s 2-3-4-5-6 and laptops.arashi - Monday, September 23, 2019 - link
...it's not OLEDs.yu - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
XR and 11 are LCD, LCD don't use Pentile, I thought everybody knows this on this site.shabby - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
If i'm paying a premium price i expect every part of it to be premium, not half assed. I didn't notice much difference on my s10 with battery life, 90hz is the real battery killer.If someone is attacking you just talk about their fat mom, they always back down.
Retycint - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
The S10 uses a FHD-ish resolution (2280 x 1080) out of the box, in order to conserve power. You need to go into display settings and change it to a higher resolution in order to display at full resolution.So this just further proves the point that 1440P is redundant because you didn't even notice that it was at full HD
s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Ugh, this mistaken belief has been repeated for the thousandth time.Native FHD Pentile looks worse than 2K Pentile rendering at FHD!!
Lolimaster - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
Correction1440p pentile looks better set at 1080p. red and blue subpixel nativw resolution is 1080p or 3/4 of the advertised "native" resolution.
shabby - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Yes I know that, and I could tell the difference between those resolutions.LarsBolender - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
There is an error in the specs - the regular Mate 30 does not have OIS on the main cam.SanX - Thursday, September 19, 2019 - link
OIS and HDR 4K/60 if it will record without statter finally are the only interesting points, the other world records and new features are just pure hype or even step back (curved screen). Ok, I'll pay $50 more for all of them together next year or two.Decently I was more shocked today reading specs of $100-$200-$300 and even $50 unbranded phones on eBay and Amazon. I encourage all to do that exercise and then ask Andrey to test them against these overhiped behemoths. That will something with something !
Lord of the Bored - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
I admit to being amused that the "cheaper" phone has analog audio out and the more expensive one doesn't.What a world we live in, where you SACRIFICE features at the top end.
jsmstein - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
only poor people care about headphone jacks.s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Only ignorant people don't care about headphone jacks.gescom - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
If you demand the best sound quality then wired headphones.mrochester - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
It’s because people who can only afford cheaper phones are also more likely to only be able to afford cheaper wired headphones whereas people who can afford more expensive phones can also afford Bluetooth headphones.mrochester - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
This is also the reason why it tends to be cheaper phones that have SD card slots so they can come with a lower amount of storage (to keep the upfront price down) that the user can add to it later.s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Cheaper wired. LMFAO. Tell me about a BT that's the same price as UE18+.s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Also find me one that matches it in quality.gescom - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
If you demand the best sound quality then wired headphones are right for you.s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
And flagships deserve to output the best quality without need for a dongle!Lord of the Bored - Saturday, September 21, 2019 - link
Neither of these is a cheap phone.Both of them can use bluetooth headphones. One of them can also use wired headphones and line-in ports on stereos.
gescom - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
If you demand the best sound quality then wired headphones are right for you.Quantumz0d - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
A CPC corporation (Funded directly by State) with founders past in the history of that and the Private nature of the company which follows the govt's orders directly and ripping off the IP, and forcing the users (EMUI garbage, which only gives affinity to the first party bloatware) without ooptions and the Propreitary SD card format negating all options and no Bootloader unlock.Plus the "Fake 5G" which is not capable of mmWave (China doesn't have mmWave 5G) having a 5G as a brand image on that SoC which doesn't have any means of ownership and the HW which imitates the Apple (Wireless earbuds, Notches, lack of jack and walled garden orwellian garbage)
To make things worse this doesn't have the Google Play Services stack which means no Android Playstore and the absolute sellout nature of EU's Porsche and Leica is so shameful giving billions to this corporation where the funds are being utilized to do brainwashing for the whole nation and it's citizens deprived of their freedom of expression of thoughts by subversion is the worst situation.
Never support such crooked ideas. I'm stunned by how the tone of the title is pleasant and how people here are fine with spyware from China. Tencent's Timmy from Epic Game Store and the media control with mediocre progressive garbage from Hollywierd isn't enough red pills I guess. Ignorance is bliss but Arrogance is outright stupid.
s.yu - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Ah, I couldn't have put it as well as this.Tewt - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Couldn't agree more. As long as they get their shinies for a cheap price, everything is ok with the world. Just like illegal immigrants so we 'get cheap food' but pay hidden costs in other ways(both monetary, socially, regulatory, etc). Let's really think about the situation and what it means to Americans that support this type of commerce. So, these Americans in these comments, who would not do such work for such low wages are ok with exploiting others just so they can get their products as cheap as possible. And I'm the ahole for wanting to pay a little more so actual US citizens with better wages produce these goods?Dodozoid - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
Funny thing is that by not being able to ship GMS directly, those phones maybe Huaweis best product due to unlockable bootloader.Tams80 - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
'Pro'. Has no headphone jack socket, yet the non-pro does. What.Violet Giraffe - Saturday, September 21, 2019 - link
Given Huawei's business practices of stealing other companies' IP and making profit on it without paying proper license fees, I will never buy another Huawei product and I hope everyone in the civilized world will do the same.nikon133 - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
I am surprised they haven't opened up with much lower price (than €1100). They are underdog with very questionable future for this phone, outside of China. Uncertainty of phone's software future should have reflected on the price - and I would expect that they have margin to shave of, without actually losing money.Drawing in more customers with low price could, eventually, motivate Google to exercise their lobbying power within US institutions and come up with better deal for everyone. Them included.
s.yu - Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - link
I think you got it the other way around, they're trying to position themselves as the new Apple, that requires abusive pricing to appeal to masochists.Gaytrimahek - Wednesday, September 30, 2020 - link
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