I feel like the decreased scratch resistance of the newer phones is more due to trends in phone glass on the whole than the 3D touch technology. There seems to have been a shift from pure hardness (and therefore scratch resistance) to slightly softer glass that has better fracture resistance, especially as phone glass has gotten larger and bezels smaller.
My old phones in order were a Galaxy S2, Note 3, and Nexus 5X, none of which I put a case on for the lifetime of the phones, and all of them ended up with very few noticeable scratches. When I swapped to my current Galaxy S8 I didn't put a case on it either but within a couple months had quite a few scratches.
They're two different input style, one does not emulate the other at all. Apple has simply decided they don't want a 4th dimension of input, which to me is silly. 3D Touch and long-press can easily accomplish different things.
I hated the 3D touch. it seems the only reason I noticed it 99% of the time was when it was doing the opposite of what I wanted it to do, and made maintaining multiple web pages an absolute nightmare.
It was always crap. It wasn't available across their range, meaning it broke the universal interface of iOS and meant that anything you could do with a "firm" press had to be possible by other means. Personally I found it extremely difficult to distinguish between the firm and the long press - I'd keep getting one when I wanted the other. Not user friendly at all.
Whatever you are trying to pull, the fact is you can spend up to $900 and getting a 1792 x 828 screen. Are you saying not a single person will buy the 256GB model? Not a single 256GB model iPhone 11 will be sold? It seems like your level of understanding is probably less than that of 4th grade.
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore, you are acting too pathetic when you are proved wrong, now I don't even want to waste any more time with you. I have seen smartass like you who has nothing better to do in real life except going onto internet insulting others just to prove you are smarter, but you see that backfires often (especially in your case when you are not that smart) and in the end you still don't get anything except a temporary stroke to your ego. Does that really get you off?
"Not a single 256GB model iPhone 11 will be sold?" p.s. More accurately, rather than *moving* the goalpost, you are making it smaller and smaller. That fallacy is called "special pleading".
Because my 5.8" phone from early 2017 has almost 3x the pixel count...
Apple is forward looking in lots of areas (SoC, camera, updates/security) but they're also really stubborn when it comes to holding on to outdated display technology for whatever reason. Keep in mind they kept selling macbook airs with that horrible sub 1080p display and massive bezels well into 2018 when they should have dropped it 5 years earlier.
True, but it means that in one particular metric their display really sucks. In other metrics it's nothing special, so overall it's not a great look on a $700+ phone.
Depends what sort of other taxes they have. Some countries (not talking about the mentioned ones specifically) have a lot of taxes abolished that others still have but have instead resorted to a higher than average VAT. Or they have income tax starting at higher incomes than other countries. Some countries (Germany I know) even have various VATs for different product categories (it should be "daily used items of necessity" should be 7% while luxuries are 19%, but due to bad politicians and lobbying groups it is sort of messed up). So don't judge too harshly based on a single number. Maybe the country provides health care for all by having a 27% VAT? And seeing Switzerland as the low VAT one makes me chuckle, as their prices are just insane all around compared to mine in Germany (19%). But they sort of make up for it by having relatively higher wages as well.
On second thought the total VAT in China is actually about 20%, but it's broken into two components, and the taxed amount isn't apparent either, since it's included in the sticker price.
Also depends on how corrupt a country is. Germany for example has abolished a lot of social benefits or lowered them drastically. Yet the taxes stayed the same or even went up. Right now you pay pretty much 70% of the gas prices to the government. They dont dare to call them all taxes, because you cant put taxes on taxes. But if they name them charges or duties, they can. And they do. And they want to increase taxes even more now, and the idiot people actually support it, because "its a good reason".
It turns out, there's more to a display than pixel count. I know, I know, PPI seems like it SHOULD be the ONLY factor, but it's actually not. Shocking. I'm no fan of Apple's pricing, but I know a couple of people with XRs and the display looks pretty good in person. If the specs weren't available anywhere, you'd have no clue how many pixels it actually had by holding one. I used to think Apple fanboys were the most obnoxious, but Android fanboys have FAR outstripped them in recent years.
If you're going to harp on Apple for something, here are some good old refrains:
1) Non-user-serviceable battery 2) No ability to expand storage 3) Base model STILL only 64GB 4) Relative lack of OS customization 5) Did I mention pricing? Not like Samsung is any better, but still...
64 GB is plenty. I have a 64 GB Note 8 with 44 GB still available. Sure, I do have a 128 GB SD card as well, and it's filled with 50 GB. But it's not like I couldn't decrease that amount easily if needed. 64 GB is hours of video, hundreds of hours of music, thousands of pictures etc. AND that's the base model.
FLAC on a smartphone without headphone jack. Plus FLAC isn't even better than a lossy codec with enough bitrate, on the iPhone that could be AAC 256kbps
You don't understand anything about audio compression apparently.
If you compress CD quality once it is the same percieved quality.
If you then compress it again it is noticeably worse quality.
So if you don't use FLAC (or any other lossless format) with wireless headphones then you have noticeable loss in audio quality because you compress already compressed music by using Bluetooth.
And saying a lossy codec is better than a lossless codec is just nonsense that you learnt from marketing or something.
Well who said I'm using a phone without a headphone jack? In fact I'm looking for an upgrade now and any device without a headphone jack is not an upgrade so out of the question. The ROG phone 2 looks intriguing...if something could be done about the looks. Another device on the short list is the upcoming NEX3. Or I'd have to wait till next year for a potential LG without a notch.
@s.yu, how much do you reasonably need? 1TB? 2TB? I have hundreds of hours of raw 16K video. So should all phones accommodate my requirements because and manufacturers charge everyone else tu subsidize me and my needs (yeah, I need 1 PCIe 4.0 connector so I can plug in my SSD array).
Mate, if you NEED 200+GB of FLAC music along with you at all times and you're here complaining about phones you're in the wrong business. There are devices that do better and that you should use. Like a dedicated high fidelity music player with a pair of excellent headphones. Which make the phone and the price irrelevant. But as it stands it looks to me like you're more interested in transporting the music than listening to it.
@Diji1, good lossy algos are only worse than lossless mathematically. In practice your (human) ears are in general (99.999% of people) too crap to tell the difference. Unless you're also the kind who needs 16K video on a 4" screen from 2m away because 16K is better than 720p (you can't argue with that now, you'll look dumb and tear down your own argument from above ;) ).
For my needs I can't yet determine whether four digit players are worth it, yes they sound better than my phone but their EQ, even A&K EQ second only to maybe Cowen are much, much weaker than what I get on my phone running Neutron. 64GB of music is honestly not a lot and yes many buying dedicated players have 200GB+. For the music, DNG, apps and occasionally videos I have on me I need 256GB to not worry about storage, and it's not comparable to your 16K raw video.
@s.yu, I hope it was obvious I was kidding about the 16K video. The point was to highlight a need very few people have but expect the mitigation to be there for all. A microSD card slot is one of these, it has to be engineered in at some price (smaller battery, thicker phone, take your pick) and everyone will pay for it in more than one way whether they need it or not.
You can go for OTG storage and use that as needed to avoid cloud and mobile internet fees.
You can argue the same for a lot of features then. Who needs telephoto? Or who needs UWA? Who needs that new feature of all the cameras shooting videos at once? What's the cost of that? Who asked for that ridiculous U1 chip when it used space that could've housed a MicroSD, right? Whoever buys a device at this price deserves a little more than that years old 64GB starting point, and more than half the industry knows it.
What an odd post. Per your example you'd have to make compromises to fit that 64GB limit, and these are supposed to be no-compromise "premium" devices. If you account for all the 4K60 video, slow-mo selfies and exposure-stacked photo features they're using to sell these phones, it looks even worse.
"And that's the base model" is a non-argument - nobody but Apple made the base model have those specs and they massively overcharge for incremental upgrades. For more than a decade now Apple have been selling devices with sub-par storage capacity knowing that it aids obsolescence.
Its true that Samsung isn't much better on pricing (MSRP on an S10+ is only about $100 different than a pro max...so its cheaper but still an expensive proposition). But for me, that isn't the comparison I'm usually making. My comparison is between the shiny new toy I want and what I already have. If you are an Apple person, you probably don't care that the Samsung is $100 cehaper (and has 2x the storage in the base model). What you want to know is if the new toy is really enough better than the old one to make you want to pay the $1099 for it.
My example (though in the Android/Samsung world). I had a Note 5 (S6 generation). I watched as the S7 came and went and then as the S8 generation came and went, and finally after the S9+ had been out 6 months and had gone down by $200 I got an S9+. I've once again skipped the S10 and will most likely skip the S11 too. I may even ditch Samsung and go with a mid-range phone. See, at the time I got the S9+, the old Note 5 was still plenty good enough and the S9+ was just phone envy cause my wife had already gotten an S9.
Phones have gotten like desktop PC's. There are many millions of them out there, but everyone who wants one already has one. And the one they have is good enough so there is no reason to buy a new one. This is the way of all consumer technology. At some point it gets more than good enough and you hop of the upgrade treadmill.
The trouble with buying Samsung from new (as I have done recently) is they don’t hold their value after 3 months. I know I have to keep this Note 10+ and sweat it. Where as my iPhone I know I will get a good residual value when I want to upgrade so can do far more easily.
You're correct about PPI only being one component of display quality, except for the fact that every other property of their "liquid retina" is distinctly average. It's not much of an issue for some people, but to me it looks like something I'd expect on a ~$400 Android device.
The iPhone 7 had one of the best smartphone screens ever made, with practically perfect color accuracy from individual calibration in each phone and wide gamut color. Do you have some evidence that the iPhone XR or 11 has decreased in quality?
The wide gamut color is useless on 99% of the normal sdr content and a calibration with a deviation of 3 vs 1 is pretty pointless too... resolution on the other hand is immediately obvious to any normal user. I bet the average 1080p screen in a $250 smartphone looks better...
there us a difference between wanting to pay for nice things.. and being over charged for them, and that is what apple does.. over charge, there is NO way adding more storage, 64 to 128 gigs, could cost that much to have such a huge price difference, let along going to 256 or even 512...
Just a reminder that you could get your flash storage pried off and a larger one soldered on in China for much cheaper than the premium Apple charges for higher storage.
Sorry I don't know because my only iDevice is an iPP 1st gen and I don't think this is available for my model, and 128GB is enough to get by, barely, so I never looked into it.
I bought my iPhone 8 at Portland Retro Gaming Expo in Fall 2017 tax-free (Oregon) and I simply recommend other people purchase these phones somewhere there is no sales tax when they happen to travel next. It's a no-brainer for me coming from Chicago, IL where tax is 10.5%, considering I do the trip every Fall anyway a month after the phones launch and they are generally in-stock at an Apple store.
That said, I think the big takeaway here is there has been a PRICE DROP.
I haven't been commenting here in a long time since the DailyTech days and when Anand was a site from Yahoo Geocities, but man you need to be specific on what your saying, and not assume other know what you're referring to, rather than call others they suck at math. You lack proper communication skills.
I haven't been commenting here in a long time since the DailyTech days and when Anand was a site from Yahoo Geocities, but man you need to be specific on what your saying, and not assume other know what you're referring to, rather than call others they suck at math. You lack proper communication skills.
You can't discern more than 57 PPD (Pixels Per Degree) in any event. People need to stop focusing on pointless specs (driving up numbers with no real benefit what-so-ever) and focus on more important aspects of display quality, like color accuracy and peak brightness.
Also the best part: Price difference between 64GB and 512GB model - $350 Meanwhile one of the best 500GB NVMe SSD such as Samsung 970 EVO is only retailed for $89, which is light years faster than whatever Apple puts in their doodad.
When did we say a word about RAM? Please learn the difference between RAM and NAND before posting here. Also fast memory channel is referring to RAM, not storage.
Airdrifting please learn some manners before posting here and please don't deface 2 pages of comments with your childish arguements with other children. Also, consider posting at Wccftech exclusively. This is a much more appropriate forum for a person of your nature.
Also whatever Apple throws in there, it is not going to top 970 EVO's 3400 read and 2300 write. Last year's iPhone XS Max has 1600 read and 500 write. My argument stands.
Do you not understand that the higher margins of the additional storage subsidize the lower margins on the base model? This is business 101. Have you ever paid for extra features on a car, or do you always get the absolute base model? The markup on that stuff is even bigger than what you are complaining about here. Apple charges what they can for the complete package. High margins on upgrades is SOP in every industry. The consumer, at least an intelligent one, understands the concept of diminishing returns on upgrades, or higher-end models. The only reason that the base price on any product in any industry is as low as it is is because they company knows that a certain amount of people will pay extra for additional features (at higher margins). What world do you think you're living in? The story is exactly the same in whatever industry you work in. How much do you pay for liquor at a bar, soda at a restaurant, or extra cheese at a pizza joint? Upgrades have huge margins. Always have. Always will.
that's fine and dandy, but, you are also forgetting about the apple tax, there is NO way adding more storage, costs the amount apple charges. plain and simple
So the extra NAND storage I get for my desktop is like the cheese from Walmart at Walmart price and the NAND for an iPhone is like cheese from Pizza Hut at premium price?
I think Apples only concern is that their doodad is faster than the steaming pile of excrement that Samsung puts out, along with that spyware that tries to pose as a mobile os.
" steaming pile of excrement that Samsung puts out " at least with samsung, you can add storage, use corded headphones if you want, and uses standard usb connections, unlike the propitiatory crap the iphones use. and apples only concern, is its profit margins, that easy to see with the prices they over charge to increase the storage space...
yes, but at least you can still add storage to samsung phone via a micro SD card, try that with an iphone. and if needed, you could always upgrade that to something bigger if you are able to, IE, picked up a 64 gig micro sd card when you bought it, and 1 year later. upgrade that to a 128 or 256 gig micro sd card, and again.. try that with an iphone.
Yeah, but you dont need PCIE storage to stream video or audio files. Even the built in NVMe storage is kinda pointless when the iphone USB port only runs at 2.0 speeds.
Samsung's 970 Evo also doesn't have to fit in the same footprint of a single NAND chip, it has to fit in the 2280 M.2 spec, which is 22mm wide by 80mm long.
And again, NVMe 4x PCIe 3.0 is vastly faster than what a phone has in it's capability... but is also more power hungry. Sure, the actual NVMe drives aren't power hungry, but PCIe isn't sipping watts.
As an aside, Apple's storage is the fastest in any phone. The reason the 970 Evo is so fast is because of it's RAM Cache. Fill that cache, and the performance tanks.
You may wanna think of your argument before spouting stuff
+ X over another of their phones as far as run time means JACK SHIT Apple, how about instead you offer dual battery with every new phone purchased so can "easy" power on the go, leave the charger in the storage bag....
No cheaper iPhone yet. Let's see you crack the second largest market in the world, Apple. We Indians are stingy as all hell and don't like to overpay. Selling the 6s at a discounted price here won't work (yes one can still buy those brand new here)
>> We Indians are stingy as all hell and don't like to overpay. Extending your personal stance to an entire population is never a good idea. I'm sure there are plenty of Indians who will buy the latest iPhones (either directly or through friends/relatives traveling from abroad).
Actually Apple really only has a tiny share of the Indian market, which may already be the largest in terms of population but officially 2nd largest due to census errors, but I believe it's largely due to purchasing power not preference.
While it's in the same price range as XR/11 it's arguably more of a flagship, for people to be able to prefer the Apple flagships they need to be able to dish out an additional $200+. Whether they prefer Apple or not is better derived from sales figures of the $1000+ segment, nothing has notably better value in terms of specs at that range.
The chipset seems to really, really good. I feel like it could make easily make a good 1080p game console if overclocked to a big form-factor and active cooling.
But yeah, the close to 768 screen of the basic 11 is lame, especially for 6".
its only lame to people who claim they can see the difference on a 6 inch display. 1080p in such a small space uses more power and more gpu for very little else other than bragging rights.
My G7 can run 3 seperate resolution settings on a similiar notched 6.1 inch LCD screen 1560×720. 2340x1080 3120x1440 Trust me you can see the difference.
That's another case. 1080P on 1080P looks grainier than 1080P on 2K. But the power savings are also different, one is largely from the GPU and the other also from diode efficiency.
I add that this only stands for the current OLEDs with some sort of Pentile, or worse (e.g. BOE), the high end RGB stripes is probably a different story.
That's more due to non-native resolution scaling, than actual pixel density. On my 1440p monitor at home, if I play a game at 1080p, I notice the difference, but if I super sample 1440p on my 1080p monitor, it's noticeably worse than native 1080p.
If the native resolution is 3120x1440, keep it there for best looks. Otherwise, the display has to use more pixels than needed to draw a "pixel", showing you the difference.
And the OLED displays in the X/XS are PenTile, so red and blue only have half the nominal resolution. The indicated resolution actually applies to green only. But the GPU will probably need to work harder for the PenTile compensation algorithm.
It still looks smudged to me especially at character edges (they're lined with tiny brownish/blueish pustules due to PenTile), and scrolling looks horribly janky as if it was an old-time interlaced display, which is apparently due to the necessary PWM re-scanning.
Neither of these püroblems exists with the excellent LCDs Apple has been using since the iPhone 6, which still have proper full-resolution RGB pixels and due to the LCD inertia scroll buttery smooth.
So if any of the devices, it'll be the XR for me or none
Agreed on being able to see the resolution difference. I have resolution options on both my S7 and S10 for 1080p or 1440p, and the difference in clarity is significant, which honestly really surprised me. I generally run 1080p as it saves battery and still looks great, but if I'm viewing content with particle effects (try the Atomos app) the difference is blatantly obvious.
So, yes, it's pathetic that Apple isn't even offering 1080p in 2019, especially at that price point. The 64GB of base storage is also unjustifiable, but how I would love to see any Android SoC match what Apple is now offering.
At that size I can very readily tell the difference between HD, FHD and QHD. QHD is into diminishing-returns territory, but it's still noticeable from a text-clarity perspective. HD to FHD is glaringly obvious.
USD to € prices seem a bit steep, definitely more than conversion rate plus VAT at the moment. The iPhone 11 Pro is the base model I would consider, but 64GB and that price is just ludicrous. :D
Extremely unlikely - Intel never had a working modem capable of those speeds, and part of Apple's settlement with Qualcomm is an agreement to buy their modems.
Apple continues to dominate with their SoC development, but man are they punishing their customers. Adding storage hungry 4K video and then marking up SSD upgrades by 500% or more. Ouch!
Apple didn't get all of its money by being friend to the wallet. It continues to probe the limits of customer tolerance, in terms of sell less for more — the dream of the entity known as the corporation.
It should be a crime to sell something that ugly. Oh well I imagine the pixel 4 will come along and one up the iPhone (in all the bad ways) soon enough.
Can review sites like this one quit buying the party lie that normal cameras are telephoto? The camera is 52 mm equivalent. That's normal, not telephoto, if you use common camera terms.
Technically telephoto just means a longer focal length than the normal lens. Since the "normal" focal length on an iPhone is 26mm (at least in 35mm equivalent terms), the 52mm equivalent is technically telephoto.
"Technically telephoto just means a longer focal length than the normal lens."
no, no it doesn't. "telephoto" from a technical standpoint means a lens with a telephoto group, which allows the lens to be physically shorter than its optical focal length. from a common parlance standpoint, "telephoto" means a lens/sensor combo with a narrow angle of view. apple's "telephoto" camera is none of these.
You are right. They have normal, wide and superwide. There's acurate definition of "normal" ange, when it comes to cameras - it is not really open to conclusions.
"For still photography, a lens with a focal length about equal to the diagonal size of the film or sensor format is considered to be a normal lens".
Backing this up. The normal lens focal length for an iPhone sensor would be 7mm at a crop factor of 6, so roughly 42mm in 35mm-equivalent. Their "telephoto" is nothing of the sort.
Yes, yes it does. Sorry, just matching your tone...I was referring to common parlance (the literal dictionary definition). Apple's telephoto is one of these. Look it up. The dictionary definition is a relative term. I don't see why it is a blunder for Apple to use the dictionary definition, despite the engineering term being less relative, and constrained. The word "normal" that you used in your original comment is also relative. The degree of precision in the use of language that you find tolerable should be applied across the board. Apple's use of telephoto is justified by the dictionary definition, given that *their* "normal" lens is 26mm.
It is not about dictionary definition, it is about accepted standards.
Otherwise, Coca Cola could release fizzy drink with 2x more sugar, and rename their standard Coke as low sugar, Slim Coke. Because it is *their* "low" sugar option. Technically true, but misleading.
OMG I dont believe they can still get away with this kind of substandard ring fenced anti competitive Business model and the I sheep still fall in line behind them and cough up the outlandish prices they ask, to cripple a device with 64gbs of storage (not sure if thats usable or some is taken by the OS) and then have the gall to charge way over the odds for more storage either via device upgrades or via a expensive monthly plan all while closely controlling what you can do and how you can use your device well, and inventing all types of propriety crap that forces you to use its own accessories only (note the USB C on the outlet end and lightening on the phone end all phones according to EU rules should be the same charger how does apple get away with it) the old adage one born every minute is so true.
Just drain the whole internet of this. An Iterative update ?! How much is 4 hours longer battery life itterative ? How much is supposedly 800 nit OLED at full APL itterative ? How much is 4 sensors capable of 4K 60fps three of them in HDR (so effectivelly 120 fps) itterative ? Surround sound ? Much improved face ID ? Lower price ?
Oh I know. Maybe if they were 1080/1440p that would not be itterative. Maybe if they had reverse wireless heater that would be a revolution. A different display shape ! Put the four sensors into the corners instead of a notch ! Oh a stylus who wants...
People just cannot get excited (or rather pretend to). They see everything as “itterative” these days. How does that differ from the “exciting yeras” ? Were they “unitterative” or what ? /rant /honest Just did not expected to be this narrative pushed by Annandtech as well. It is sad.
I would want the midnight green, the 11 colors suck, beside red. LOVE the focus on battery life. HATE big phones. Holding on to my 7.
Prove the 4 hours first. 800 nits isn't that amazing and I'd probably never use it, I'd care more about contrast at those levels and color accuracy. Your camera argument is nonsense. The sound via vibration of the screen has been done by many other manufacturers, that's marketing BS. Lower price does not mean a low price, it's still overpriced but Apple Tax. Display shape definitely, the notch is just plain bad. There are other manufacturers that make smaller phones, the S10e is an amazing phone and if Samsung make an S11e the same again, it will probably be my upgrade next year.
...No not really, I've lived in the subtropics for a few years and at the time the peak brightness of my phone's screen was 600nits, it was generally legible under the noon sun but really there are very few times I wished the screen had more than 600nits.
Have they explained what 1h and 4h longer battery time actually means? I have missed that part. Video playback, music playback, browsing...? Hopefully not standby time?
Crikey, that's a lot of words to miss the fact that all of the things you mentioned *are iterative*. The phone itself has not fundamentally changed in shape, appearance, or functionality.
I see you can't stand that Apple is successful. Shape and appearance are synonyms, and faster CPU & GPU, wider rear camera, automatic Night Mode, 12MP front camera, +2 GB of RAM, 4 meter water resistance longer battery life and the new 1200 nit display are all functionality improvements.
"[Night] mode is enabled automatically based on the environment lighting, something that other vendors haven’t been able to implement with their night modes"
This is exactly what Samsung had before they moved it to a separate mode (which is more convenient).
The reason Samsung had it at that was to enable it as less as possible because it wasn't ready, the results were horrible, now it's better. I suspect Apple's night mode is simply better from the get-go, their SmartHDR and even their tuning before that set a good track record.
I think night modes are usually separate because they change the way the camera operates from "single shot" to "hold and wait". I'd be interested to see how Apple's works, and how the interface warns you of the difference if it still needs to take several shots.
Technical question on the difference between the 11 & the 11 Pro: Since the Pro has hours more battery life than the 11 base model, does the pro have something different in the A13? Where does the difference in battery life come from?
I don't think Apple said the Pro has longer battery life than the 11. They said it has 4 hours more than last year's XS. For last years phones, the XR had much longer battery life than the XS. I would be surprised if the Pro beat the 11 in battery life this year, though the gap between them has certainly shrunk.
Damn these Apple pro phones are heavy. My S10 is just 157gm despite having bigger screen at 11 pro. max is just hitting crazy territory. Asus Rog II is 240gm but has 6000mah battery !!!!
What do you expect from steel unibody, thick glass sandwiches and large batteries ? iPhone XS Max is 208 g. 67 is steel, 46 is battery 42 is glass. You have 53 grams left for all the brains. The display weighs 8 grams.
If you want great weight to area,,buy something bigger.
They shouldn't put glass on the back or use steel. The glass on the back is just useless and a magnet for cracks. There's no point in using steel rather than aluminum either. It doesn't matter how strong your body is so long as you have a glass screen that it by far the weakest link the chain. Apple's gonna do what they're gonna do though.
And Samsung has no business to charge those prices because they use off the shelf components, an open source OS, screw it and put together a phone using all that. The only reason why Samsung ask these prices is because Apple does.
Odd claim. Samsung do all the R&D for and manufacture the OLED displays in their phones, and Apple's as well. Samsung design and manufacture their own SoC (though they don't put it in the international ones), and their foundries manufactured Apple's up to A9. They also design and manufacture flash storage, and pioneered 3D NAND. So a bunch of those "off-the-shelf" components come off their own shelves... while Apple don't manufacture anything themselves.
Basically you're missing a bunch in that analysis, but your final point is correct - they didn't dare reaching for that absurdly high-end pricing until Apple laid the ground for it.
Actually Apple does a lot of the R&D for their screens, shared with Samsung, and Samsung uses their own SOC in the international versions, and Qualcomm in the US versions. Manufacturing the A9 is irrelevant to the prices they charge for their phones, and actually TSMC started sharing manufacturing with the A8 and became exclusive with the A9X. Apple certainly "manufactures" their own OS and designs their own SOC, including the GPU and all cores, unlike Samsung where they still use ARM cores and ARM GPUs in their partially custom SOC.
Hmm, $700 for a 64GB, 6.1" that isn't even 1080p ? That's a hard pass. I could probably buy two very decent Android phones for that, and have money left over for a 128GB SD card.
Amazing how pedestrian people can be. Why dont you just buy a 1080p screen and proclaim its better than the iPhone. Isnt that the your only metric for deciding which one is better?
No, there are plenty of other reasons. Like 4k capable video with only 64GB of (fixed) storage, so it will get used up in a heartbeat, no headphone jack, battery life that if it's 'an hour longer than the XR' will still be pretty dismal, a glass back that costs 50% of the phone to replace if you drop it because: reasons, no AMOLED, no in screen fingerprint sensor, massive notch, etc.
I thought I was being being kind not mentioning more of the things I find wrong for SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS !, but I guess I was being too pedestrian. My bad.
I too am pedestrian in my dislike for obvious rip-offs. The 11 is measurably worse than my OnePlus 6 in most aspects you'd notice on a daily basis (display quality/notch size, battery life, storage capacity, headphone jack) and costs 50% more than I paid for it a year ago. Long may we be pedestrian together.
Other hardware manufacturers, have the decency to keep prices at about the same level with every generation of their new and improved products. But not this one. At every turn it gets more ugly, redundant and expensive.
@Andrei: Could you do a summary/comparison overview or review of the video recording capabilities (4K, frame rates, HDR yes/no, ability to select codec and bit rates, how good is the video and audio at optimal setting) of the current crop of smartphones? I know it's not an essential for many, but I also know that I am not the only one for whom the ability to take good or even great video is a key consideration when picking my next mobile. If you do this, please group by price class, as you already do for general comparisons. Would really appreciate it. Thanks!
For that Bitrate selection on Audio, I think only LG does it. I have a V30 with me, the Audio Recorder app has most sophisticated Audio controls ever on a Smartphone.
and you get the same UI embedded in the Video recorder app. TL;DR - Low Cut Filter - to chop off the big bassy noises and the gain switch to increase the sensitivity, the FLAC / WAV options, The Sampling rate upto 192KHz, Stereo ofc or Mono and can offload it / record it directly to an SD slot.
FHD and 4k Bitrate is also selectable, all options in the camera app itself. That alone speaks volumes how much of feature rich it is to me, to add they use 3 Mics to do this, Plus the Audio Chip ESS9218P is an exceptional performer for playback and the DNC/ANC processing as it a standalone Interference free chip on the Mobo.
And here in AT what we got was bashing the ESS chip numerous times as nothing vs Aqustic (trash Qualcomm audio chip on the SoC), go to G8 review and see the comments. https://www.anandtech.com/show/14166/the-lg-g8-rev...
So unfortunate that even AT doesn't have anything to put while Head-Fi has over 300 pages of discussion and a 50 page thread for how to optimize the Audio on a dedicated DAC chip Android phone with USB Audio Pro player with Bitperfect non oversampling Android pipeline but dedicated direct path.
This is coming from a person who has over 150GB of Audio on his Rooted and Bootloader unlocked LG V30 and have an iPod video, Samsung Galaxy S (Voodoo Sound mod, infamous hack)
...so long story short you can't get that bit perfect pipeline without root or a proprietary version of Android like the dedicated music players running Android?
Who said that ? Bitperfect USB Audio Player Pro does it without Root for now (Android 9) With Google clamping everything down castrating Android to iOS level with the biggest nerf ever to Android - Scoped Storage. And Killing Hidden (Undocumented APIs) we don't know the future.
And I mentioned it because the upsampling is not preferred by many. And if you look up G7 review of Audioscience website. The LG music app is enough for many (However the UI is better on third party players like Neutron, Power Amp, USB Audio Player Pro etc)
My main point was about how AT doesn't even have gear to measure the Vrms output of ESS DACs which was done ny Audioscience and how LG tuned their DAC processor unlike EVGA NU Audio ( Automated on LG vs NU Audio Manual) and all I got was XDA people are retarded and ESS is shit and doesn't have anything. This flatout denial of facts and no nod on any of this is unfortunate for Audio enthusiasts.
However the credit of Subversion mastery goes to Apple and Co (Youtube shills and Other Press sites heralding that trash sub 320kbps Apple Audio pipeline and inferior garbage AirPods vs True Audio prowess like LG, Vivo Nex - ESS, AKM respectively)
Ah ha...? Alright I have Neutron because there's an obvious improvement compared to other players I tried so far, and slightly more so with the high res codec, but my phone doesn't have a discrete DAC. However whatever I upgrade to in a few months will probably have one, also I'm curious if Android based players like those from A&K may install 3rd party players and retain use of the proper pipeline, mainly because Neutron has an incredible EQ implementation I suspect I won't find native on a player.
Is that GPU performance accounting for resolution, are they all tested at the same resolution? As the base model iPhone 11 is a relatively small pixel count for a high end (£700+ yikes) smartphone, the other phones might be pushing more pixels hence the lower scores. (I wouldn't put it past marketing to do that these days).
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Also, Anandtech please, please can you not use banner video adverts that follow the viewport on the webpage. I know there's "X" to close them but each time I load the webpage it gets a bit annoying. I don't use adblockers on sites like this because I respect that they are sustained by advert revenue (adblockers are killing the "free web") but I just ask that the ads are less intrusive. the side banners are OK and static ads are OK (personalised adverts are the best, since I'm reading a tech site I get PC Hardware adverts which is nice, but completely irrelevant ones are not, like hygiene products.), but I also find the banners inside the content itself really difficult because I have an attention deficit issue and I often have to spend longer to re-read words and auto-playing videos in these sections are highly distracting. :(
You know this is only Apple we're talking about so their slides could generally be interpreted like the rest of them, I believe when it says GPU performance, it's GPU performance, i.e. an off-screen performance directly reflecting the performance of the GPU normalized between resolutions. If these are Huawei slides however, I would remain highly skeptical, it would have to be interpreted in whatever possible, if even absurd way, that makes them look pretty, see their GPU Turbo scandal.
"There’s still two big performance new “Lightning” cores and the improvement claims here are 20% faster and 30% lower power. It’s not clear if this is actually both improvements at the same time or either of them – last year it ended up actually being either one or the other based on our testing. "
Always assume the worst because marketoids always lie.
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** A - R ** - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Andrei, Will the 64bit mandatory Vulkan Everywhere in Android 10, do any significant change in GPU compared to this A13 GPU Performance ?Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
NoSydneyBlue120d - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Is it confirmed?Can you link me something official about this?
Thanks a lot.
soliloquist - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"3D Touch seems to have been dropped this generation, as Apple no longer makes mention of it anywhere."Wasn't this supposed to be the future...
quiksilvr - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
It's too expensive for something that an easily be emulated by a long press.tipoo - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Long press is time bound, 3d touch didn't need to be. I did use it quite a bit.Though, if it means the glass isn't as soft (X-XS are very scratch prone!), that's ok.
Destoya - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
I feel like the decreased scratch resistance of the newer phones is more due to trends in phone glass on the whole than the 3D touch technology. There seems to have been a shift from pure hardness (and therefore scratch resistance) to slightly softer glass that has better fracture resistance, especially as phone glass has gotten larger and bezels smaller.My old phones in order were a Galaxy S2, Note 3, and Nexus 5X, none of which I put a case on for the lifetime of the phones, and all of them ended up with very few noticeable scratches. When I swapped to my current Galaxy S8 I didn't put a case on it either but within a couple months had quite a few scratches.
lazarpandar - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
They're two different input style, one does not emulate the other at all. Apple has simply decided they don't want a 4th dimension of input, which to me is silly. 3D Touch and long-press can easily accomplish different things.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
THANK GODI hated the 3D touch. it seems the only reason I noticed it 99% of the time was when it was doing the opposite of what I wanted it to do, and made maintaining multiple web pages an absolute nightmare.
My next work phone wont annoy me all the time!
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
It was always crap. It wasn't available across their range, meaning it broke the universal interface of iOS and meant that anything you could do with a "firm" press had to be possible by other means. Personally I found it extremely difficult to distinguish between the firm and the long press - I'd keep getting one when I wanted the other. Not user friendly at all.airdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
iPhone 11: 6.1-inch LCD 1792×828Come on, I think Apple slav, I mean Apple fans deserve a 1080P screen after paying $900 with tax.
catinthefurnace - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Where do you live where sales tax is 28.7%? Jeezairdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
256GB model iPhone 11 is $849. Even with 6.5% sales tax it's over $900. Where do you live that doesn't teach 5th grade math? Jeezcatinthefurnace - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Obviously, I was referring to the base 11. Actually, I believe it's 4th grade math. Maybe 5th grade in your school district.airdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Whatever you are trying to pull, the fact is you can spend up to $900 and getting a 1792 x 828 screen. Are you saying not a single person will buy the 256GB model? Not a single 256GB model iPhone 11 will be sold? It seems like your level of understanding is probably less than that of 4th grade.catinthefurnace - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Isn't it amusing when people fully fulfill a particular stereotype, and are completely unaware of it?airdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore, you are acting too pathetic when you are proved wrong, now I don't even want to waste any more time with you. I have seen smartass like you who has nothing better to do in real life except going onto internet insulting others just to prove you are smarter, but you see that backfires often (especially in your case when you are notthat smart) and in the end you still don't get anything except a temporary stroke to your ego. Does that really get you off?
Santoval - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"I don't even know what you are trying to say anymore, you are acting too pathetic when you are proved wrong.."ROTFL, seriously mate?!
Santoval - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"Are you saying not a single person will buy the 256GB model? "I believe that's a fallacy called "moving the goalpost".
Santoval - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"Not a single 256GB model iPhone 11 will be sold?"p.s. More accurately, rather than *moving* the goalpost, you are making it smaller and smaller. That fallacy is called "special pleading".
Morawka - Saturday, September 21, 2019 - link
So where can I find me a good book to read about this so-called system of fallacies?star-affinity - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Why is 1792 x 828 pixels a problem on a 6,1 inch display?Destoya - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Because my 5.8" phone from early 2017 has almost 3x the pixel count...Apple is forward looking in lots of areas (SoC, camera, updates/security) but they're also really stubborn when it comes to holding on to outdated display technology for whatever reason. Keep in mind they kept selling macbook airs with that horrible sub 1080p display and massive bezels well into 2018 when they should have dropped it 5 years earlier.
Lavkesh - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Display pixel count is just one metric to judge the display not the only metric.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
True, but it means that in one particular metric their display really sucks. In other metrics it's nothing special, so overall it's not a great look on a $700+ phone.Santoval - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Well, in my country the VAT rate is 24%. In Hungary it is even higher, at 27%. Switzerland, on the other hand, has a 8% VAT rate..catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Yikes! That is brutal man. Nice that Switzerland is even less than my local rate of 9.25%.s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Sounds like robbery.Death666Angel - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Depends what sort of other taxes they have. Some countries (not talking about the mentioned ones specifically) have a lot of taxes abolished that others still have but have instead resorted to a higher than average VAT. Or they have income tax starting at higher incomes than other countries. Some countries (Germany I know) even have various VATs for different product categories (it should be "daily used items of necessity" should be 7% while luxuries are 19%, but due to bad politicians and lobbying groups it is sort of messed up). So don't judge too harshly based on a single number. Maybe the country provides health care for all by having a 27% VAT? And seeing Switzerland as the low VAT one makes me chuckle, as their prices are just insane all around compared to mine in Germany (19%). But they sort of make up for it by having relatively higher wages as well.dmk2000 - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Correct. And this is why I am doing my shopping in Germany. Save about 50% versus doing the same shopping in Switzerland.s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
On second thought the total VAT in China is actually about 20%, but it's broken into two components, and the taxed amount isn't apparent either, since it's included in the sticker price.Beaver M. - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
Also depends on how corrupt a country is. Germany for example has abolished a lot of social benefits or lowered them drastically. Yet the taxes stayed the same or even went up.Right now you pay pretty much 70% of the gas prices to the government. They dont dare to call them all taxes, because you cant put taxes on taxes. But if they name them charges or duties, they can. And they do. And they want to increase taxes even more now, and the idiot people actually support it, because "its a good reason".
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Sounds like dumbassery.zzmad - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
In Europe an iPhone 11 costa Eu 923 after Tax. Period.We're 350 millions people here.
Alexvrb - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
It turns out, there's more to a display than pixel count. I know, I know, PPI seems like it SHOULD be the ONLY factor, but it's actually not. Shocking. I'm no fan of Apple's pricing, but I know a couple of people with XRs and the display looks pretty good in person. If the specs weren't available anywhere, you'd have no clue how many pixels it actually had by holding one. I used to think Apple fanboys were the most obnoxious, but Android fanboys have FAR outstripped them in recent years.If you're going to harp on Apple for something, here are some good old refrains:
1) Non-user-serviceable battery
2) No ability to expand storage
3) Base model STILL only 64GB
4) Relative lack of OS customization
5) Did I mention pricing? Not like Samsung is any better, but still...
Those are all still valid concerns.
Samus - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
All mainstream phones have those caveats. That's what makes them mainstream! :)Calista - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
64 GB is plenty. I have a 64 GB Note 8 with 44 GB still available. Sure, I do have a 128 GB SD card as well, and it's filled with 50 GB. But it's not like I couldn't decrease that amount easily if needed. 64 GB is hours of video, hundreds of hours of music, thousands of pictures etc. AND that's the base model.s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
It's not plenty, it's easily filled, I have more than 64GB of music alone, mostly FLAC.scbundy - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
64GB of FLAC? You're not the general user that this device is targeting.Espinosidro - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
FLAC on a smartphone without headphone jack. Plus FLAC isn't even better than a lossy codec with enough bitrate, on the iPhone that could be AAC 256kbpsDiji1 - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
You don't understand anything about audio compression apparently.If you compress CD quality once it is the same percieved quality.
If you then compress it again it is noticeably worse quality.
So if you don't use FLAC (or any other lossless format) with wireless headphones then you have noticeable loss in audio quality because you compress already compressed music by using Bluetooth.
And saying a lossy codec is better than a lossless codec is just nonsense that you learnt from marketing or something.
s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Well who said I'm using a phone without a headphone jack? In fact I'm looking for an upgrade now and any device without a headphone jack is not an upgrade so out of the question.The ROG phone 2 looks intriguing...if something could be done about the looks.
Another device on the short list is the upcoming NEX3.
Or I'd have to wait till next year for a potential LG without a notch.
close - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
@s.yu, how much do you reasonably need? 1TB? 2TB? I have hundreds of hours of raw 16K video. So should all phones accommodate my requirements because and manufacturers charge everyone else tu subsidize me and my needs (yeah, I need 1 PCIe 4.0 connector so I can plug in my SSD array).Mate, if you NEED 200+GB of FLAC music along with you at all times and you're here complaining about phones you're in the wrong business. There are devices that do better and that you should use. Like a dedicated high fidelity music player with a pair of excellent headphones. Which make the phone and the price irrelevant. But as it stands it looks to me like you're more interested in transporting the music than listening to it.
@Diji1, good lossy algos are only worse than lossless mathematically. In practice your (human) ears are in general (99.999% of people) too crap to tell the difference. Unless you're also the kind who needs 16K video on a 4" screen from 2m away because 16K is better than 720p (you can't argue with that now, you'll look dumb and tear down your own argument from above ;) ).
s.yu - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
For my needs I can't yet determine whether four digit players are worth it, yes they sound better than my phone but their EQ, even A&K EQ second only to maybe Cowen are much, much weaker than what I get on my phone running Neutron.64GB of music is honestly not a lot and yes many buying dedicated players have 200GB+. For the music, DNG, apps and occasionally videos I have on me I need 256GB to not worry about storage, and it's not comparable to your 16K raw video.
close - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
@s.yu, I hope it was obvious I was kidding about the 16K video. The point was to highlight a need very few people have but expect the mitigation to be there for all. A microSD card slot is one of these, it has to be engineered in at some price (smaller battery, thicker phone, take your pick) and everyone will pay for it in more than one way whether they need it or not.You can go for OTG storage and use that as needed to avoid cloud and mobile internet fees.
s.yu - Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - link
You can argue the same for a lot of features then.Who needs telephoto? Or who needs UWA? Who needs that new feature of all the cameras shooting videos at once? What's the cost of that? Who asked for that ridiculous U1 chip when it used space that could've housed a MicroSD, right?
Whoever buys a device at this price deserves a little more than that years old 64GB starting point, and more than half the industry knows it.
s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
I should add that beyond FLAC, DNG and games also take up a decent amount of space.zephyrprime - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
>FlacThere's your mistake right there. Wasting storage on differences that your ear can't hear.
TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
So its only enough when you have a second storage device, gotcha.In other words, it isnt enough unless you start pruning things down.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
What an odd post. Per your example you'd have to make compromises to fit that 64GB limit, and these are supposed to be no-compromise "premium" devices. If you account for all the 4K60 video, slow-mo selfies and exposure-stacked photo features they're using to sell these phones, it looks even worse."And that's the base model" is a non-argument - nobody but Apple made the base model have those specs and they massively overcharge for incremental upgrades. For more than a decade now Apple have been selling devices with sub-par storage capacity knowing that it aids obsolescence.
ksec - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
>I used to think Apple fanboys were the most obnoxious, but Android fanboys have FAR outstripped them in recent years.That has always been the case, just no one noticed.
iSeptimus - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Every Android only user is enlightened. Didn’t you know? They “know something” iOS only users don’t and are far superior.flyingpants265 - Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - link
Yeah, like how to use a smartphone!Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
This just in: all fanboys are obnoxious. News at 10.Ratman6161 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Its true that Samsung isn't much better on pricing (MSRP on an S10+ is only about $100 different than a pro max...so its cheaper but still an expensive proposition). But for me, that isn't the comparison I'm usually making. My comparison is between the shiny new toy I want and what I already have. If you are an Apple person, you probably don't care that the Samsung is $100 cehaper (and has 2x the storage in the base model). What you want to know is if the new toy is really enough better than the old one to make you want to pay the $1099 for it.My example (though in the Android/Samsung world). I had a Note 5 (S6 generation). I watched as the S7 came and went and then as the S8 generation came and went, and finally after the S9+ had been out 6 months and had gone down by $200 I got an S9+. I've once again skipped the S10 and will most likely skip the S11 too. I may even ditch Samsung and go with a mid-range phone. See, at the time I got the S9+, the old Note 5 was still plenty good enough and the S9+ was just phone envy cause my wife had already gotten an S9.
Phones have gotten like desktop PC's. There are many millions of them out there, but everyone who wants one already has one. And the one they have is good enough so there is no reason to buy a new one. This is the way of all consumer technology. At some point it gets more than good enough and you hop of the upgrade treadmill.
iSeptimus - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
The trouble with buying Samsung from new (as I have done recently) is they don’t hold their value after 3 months. I know I have to keep this Note 10+ and sweat it. Where as my iPhone I know I will get a good residual value when I want to upgrade so can do far more easily.s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Haha, when I still bought Samsung I buy after 3 months and massive discounts pop up here and there, unofficial channels granted but I don't care.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
You're correct about PPI only being one component of display quality, except for the fact that every other property of their "liquid retina" is distinctly average. It's not much of an issue for some people, but to me it looks like something I'd expect on a ~$400 Android device.NetMage - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
The iPhone 7 had one of the best smartphone screens ever made, with practically perfect color accuracy from individual calibration in each phone and wide gamut color. Do you have some evidence that the iPhone XR or 11 has decreased in quality?jospoortvliet - Sunday, September 22, 2019 - link
The wide gamut color is useless on 99% of the normal sdr content and a calibration with a deviation of 3 vs 1 is pretty pointless too... resolution on the other hand is immediately obvious to any normal user. I bet the average 1080p screen in a $250 smartphone looks better...mdriftmeyer - Tuesday, September 24, 2019 - link
Display Mate says you're an effing moron.http://www.displaymate.com/iPhone_11Pro_ShootOut_1...
name99 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
OK, we get it. You don't want to pay for nice things.Moving on...
Korguz - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
there us a difference between wanting to pay for nice things.. and being over charged for them, and that is what apple does.. over charge, there is NO way adding more storage, 64 to 128 gigs, could cost that much to have such a huge price difference, let along going to 256 or even 512...s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Just a reminder that you could get your flash storage pried off and a larger one soldered on in China for much cheaper than the premium Apple charges for higher storage.Sailor23M - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
That's amazing, how much would it cost to upgrade from 64GB to 512GB? Just wondering.s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Sorry I don't know because my only iDevice is an iPP 1st gen and I don't think this is available for my model, and 128GB is enough to get by, barely, so I never looked into it.s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Probably voids your warranty though :)Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Deeefinitely voids your warranty.Samus - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
I bought my iPhone 8 at Portland Retro Gaming Expo in Fall 2017 tax-free (Oregon) and I simply recommend other people purchase these phones somewhere there is no sales tax when they happen to travel next. It's a no-brainer for me coming from Chicago, IL where tax is 10.5%, considering I do the trip every Fall anyway a month after the phones launch and they are generally in-stock at an Apple store.That said, I think the big takeaway here is there has been a PRICE DROP.
Etern205 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
I haven't been commenting here in a long time since the DailyTech days and when Anand was a site from Yahoo Geocities, but man you need to be specific on what your saying, and not assume other know what you're referring to, rather than call others they suck at math. You lack proper communication skills.Etern205 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
I haven't been commenting here in a long time since the DailyTech days and when Anand was a site from Yahoo Geocities, but man you need to be specific on what your saying, and not assume other know what you're referring to, rather than call others they suck at math. You lack proper communication skills.TEAMSWITCHER - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
You can't discern more than 57 PPD (Pixels Per Degree) in any event. People need to stop focusing on pointless specs (driving up numbers with no real benefit what-so-ever) and focus on more important aspects of display quality, like color accuracy and peak brightness.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
PPD is dependent on how far away you hold your phone. "Hold it further away" is a very Jobsian take on an unnecessary design flaw, though xDThose other specs are also naff when compared with phones that are $200 cheaper.
airdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Also the best part:Price difference between 64GB and 512GB model - $350
Meanwhile one of the best 500GB NVMe SSD such as Samsung 970 EVO is only retailed for $89, which is light years faster than whatever Apple puts in their doodad.
melgross - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Actually, Apple uses both very fast RAM and NAND, with fast memory channels.airdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
When did we say a word about RAM? Please learn the difference between RAM and NAND before posting here. Also fast memory channel is referring to RAM, not storage.Ranger90125 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Airdrifting please learn some manners before posting here and please don't deface 2 pages of comments with your childish arguements with other children. Also, consider posting at Wccftechexclusively. This is a much more appropriate forum for a person of your nature.
scbundy - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
lol, I was just thinking the same thing.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Ranger stop playing babie's first moderator. If you dont like the argument, just move on.If you want to label every argument you dont like as "childlike" and attempt to shut down discussion that you dont approve of, go back to reddit.
zephyrprime - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
Weak attempt to deflect contrary claims. Lameairdrifting - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Also whatever Apple throws in there, it is not going to top 970 EVO's 3400 read and 2300 write. Last year's iPhone XS Max has 1600 read and 500 write. My argument stands.catinthefurnace - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Your argument is childlike. Comparing desktop storage to mobile.levizx - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
And you are dumb as. They cost roughly the same to make. Even with a 100%+ mark up, it shouldn't exceed $200catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Do you not understand that the higher margins of the additional storage subsidize the lower margins on the base model? This is business 101. Have you ever paid for extra features on a car, or do you always get the absolute base model? The markup on that stuff is even bigger than what you are complaining about here. Apple charges what they can for the complete package. High margins on upgrades is SOP in every industry. The consumer, at least an intelligent one, understands the concept of diminishing returns on upgrades, or higher-end models. The only reason that the base price on any product in any industry is as low as it is is because they company knows that a certain amount of people will pay extra for additional features (at higher margins). What world do you think you're living in? The story is exactly the same in whatever industry you work in. How much do you pay for liquor at a bar, soda at a restaurant, or extra cheese at a pizza joint? Upgrades have huge margins. Always have. Always will.Korguz - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
that's fine and dandy, but, you are also forgetting about the apple tax, there is NO way adding more storage, costs the amount apple charges. plain and simplesonny73n - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
So the extra NAND storage I get for my desktop is like the cheese from Walmart at Walmart price and the NAND for an iPhone is like cheese from Pizza Hut at premium price?STHU obnoxious Apple fanboy.
svan1971 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
I think Apples only concern is that their doodad is faster than the steaming pile of excrement that Samsung puts out, along with that spyware that tries to pose as a mobile os.Qasar - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
" steaming pile of excrement that Samsung puts out " at least with samsung, you can add storage, use corded headphones if you want, and uses standard usb connections, unlike the propitiatory crap the iphones use. and apples only concern, is its profit margins, that easy to see with the prices they over charge to increase the storage space...catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
To be fair, the storage you can add to a Samsung phone is incredibly slower than the built in storageQasar - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
yes, but at least you can still add storage to samsung phone via a micro SD card, try that with an iphone. and if needed, you could always upgrade that to something bigger if you are able to, IE, picked up a 64 gig micro sd card when you bought it, and 1 year later. upgrade that to a 128 or 256 gig micro sd card, and again.. try that with an iphone.TheinsanegamerN - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Yeah, but you dont need PCIE storage to stream video or audio files. Even the built in NVMe storage is kinda pointless when the iphone USB port only runs at 2.0 speeds.NetMage - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
Only 99% of the usage of that storage doesn't involve the USB port, so its speed has no bearing on the usefulness of the iPhone's NVMe.Xyler94 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Comparing Apples to bricks here.Samsung's 970 Evo also doesn't have to fit in the same footprint of a single NAND chip, it has to fit in the 2280 M.2 spec, which is 22mm wide by 80mm long.
And again, NVMe 4x PCIe 3.0 is vastly faster than what a phone has in it's capability... but is also more power hungry. Sure, the actual NVMe drives aren't power hungry, but PCIe isn't sipping watts.
As an aside, Apple's storage is the fastest in any phone. The reason the 970 Evo is so fast is because of it's RAM Cache. Fill that cache, and the performance tanks.
You may wanna think of your argument before spouting stuff
ilt24 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
@airdrifting ... "Meanwhile one of the best 500GB NVMe SSD such as Samsung 970 EVO is only retailed for $89"Yet Samsung charges $600 to upgrade a Galaxy S10+ from 128GB to 1TB.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Density is the crucial component that you're ignoring there. I know airdrifting is too, but still.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
+ X over another of their phones as far as run time means JACK SHIT Apple, how about instead you offer dual battery with every new phone purchased so can "easy" power on the go, leave the charger in the storage bag....ads295 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
No cheaper iPhone yet. Let's see you crack the second largest market in the world, Apple. We Indians are stingy as all hell and don't like to overpay. Selling the 6s at a discounted price here won't work (yes one can still buy those brand new here)varad - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
>> We Indians are stingy as all hell and don't like to overpay.Extending your personal stance to an entire population is never a good idea. I'm sure there are plenty of Indians who will buy the latest iPhones (either directly or through friends/relatives traveling from abroad).
s.yu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Actually Apple really only has a tiny share of the Indian market, which may already be the largest in terms of population but officially 2nd largest due to census errors, but I believe it's largely due to purchasing power not preference.ads295 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Could be. But the OnePlus has gotten pricier with each generation and yet enjoyed really high sales... So it could be preference as well.s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
While it's in the same price range as XR/11 it's arguably more of a flagship, for people to be able to prefer the Apple flagships they need to be able to dish out an additional $200+.Whether they prefer Apple or not is better derived from sales figures of the $1000+ segment, nothing has notably better value in terms of specs at that range.
Sailor23M - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Second that, I have received several requests already.cyberfrost - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Cannot agree more. Apple honors global warranty. So that is another +veSpunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
He's actually correct from a statistical perspective. The Indian phone market is far more price sensitive than the US one, even in affluent areas.svan1971 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
I think you can get an 8 for 500 bucks, what that like 60,000 rupees.Vitor - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
The chipset seems to really, really good. I feel like it could make easily make a good 1080p game console if overclocked to a big form-factor and active cooling.But yeah, the close to 768 screen of the basic 11 is lame, especially for 6".
svan1971 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
its only lame to people who claim they can see the difference on a 6 inch display. 1080p in such a small space uses more power and more gpu for very little else other than bragging rights.Wardrive86 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
My G7 can run 3 seperate resolution settings on a similiar notched 6.1 inch LCD screen1560×720.
2340x1080
3120x1440
Trust me you can see the difference.
s.yu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
That's another case. 1080P on 1080P looks grainier than 1080P on 2K.But the power savings are also different, one is largely from the GPU and the other also from diode efficiency.
s.yu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
I add that this only stands for the current OLEDs with some sort of Pentile, or worse (e.g. BOE), the high end RGB stripes is probably a different story.Xyler94 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
That's more due to non-native resolution scaling, than actual pixel density. On my 1440p monitor at home, if I play a game at 1080p, I notice the difference, but if I super sample 1440p on my 1080p monitor, it's noticeably worse than native 1080p.If the native resolution is 3120x1440, keep it there for best looks. Otherwise, the display has to use more pixels than needed to draw a "pixel", showing you the difference.
Sailor23M - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Good for you, as I cannot. I switched my XR with my GF's Xs and honestly I prefer the XR screen more.Sharma_Ji - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
From older Anandtech review:And the OLED displays in the X/XS are PenTile, so red and blue only have half the nominal resolution. The indicated resolution actually applies to green only. But the GPU will probably need to work harder for the PenTile compensation algorithm.
It still looks smudged to me especially at character edges (they're lined with tiny brownish/blueish pustules due to PenTile), and scrolling looks horribly janky as if it was an old-time interlaced display, which is apparently due to the necessary PWM re-scanning.
Neither of these püroblems exists with the excellent LCDs Apple has been using since the iPhone 6, which still have proper full-resolution RGB pixels and due to the LCD inertia scroll buttery smooth.
So if any of the devices, it'll be the XR for me or none
Dizoja86 - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Agreed on being able to see the resolution difference. I have resolution options on both my S7 and S10 for 1080p or 1440p, and the difference in clarity is significant, which honestly really surprised me. I generally run 1080p as it saves battery and still looks great, but if I'm viewing content with particle effects (try the Atomos app) the difference is blatantly obvious.So, yes, it's pathetic that Apple isn't even offering 1080p in 2019, especially at that price point. The 64GB of base storage is also unjustifiable, but how I would love to see any Android SoC match what Apple is now offering.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
At that size I can very readily tell the difference between HD, FHD and QHD. QHD is into diminishing-returns territory, but it's still noticeable from a text-clarity perspective. HD to FHD is glaringly obvious.obama gaming - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
blah blah blah, still has a crappier camera than basically all flagships. Leica > AppleVitor - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Wut? Sensor and image processing is much more important than the brand of the lens.s.yu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Yes, with emphasis on the "brand".svan1971 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
source?Death666Angel - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
USD to € prices seem a bit steep, definitely more than conversion rate plus VAT at the moment. The iPhone 11 Pro is the base model I would consider, but 64GB and that price is just ludicrous. :Ddebem - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"USD to € prices seem a bit steep" Brexit baby! Sterling's down 13+% heading for 20+% on the Liever's No Deal.SydneyBlue120d - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
AV1 encoding?tuxRoller - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
No.Next year at the earliest
Farfolomew - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
So it includes USB-C cable on the end that plugs into the wall-wart? And lightning on the other end?We're one step closer to USB-C hegemony! C'mon Apple, just give in and force worldwide adoption of one cable standard overnight!
extide - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
So, any word on what modem IP they are using? Are they using their own IP here yet?Andrei Frumusanu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
It's an Intel modem most likely.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Extremely unlikely - Intel never had a working modem capable of those speeds, and part of Apple's settlement with Qualcomm is an agreement to buy their modems.s.yu - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Since they bought Intel's modem division, Intel's modem technically is their own IP.Casper42 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Since they don't claim 5G support, I think you are right.Intel gave up and sold to Apple long before 5G was ready.
And of course they're still going to be paying patent royalties to Qualcomm even for an "Intel Modem"
s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
AFAIK they did come up with a product, a functional 5G modem, but the power consumption doesn't allow for mobile use.Isaacc7 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
One of the engineers on the project had a Twitter thread about the GPU in the A13.https://twitter.com/gavkar/status/1171494278545018...
Isaacc7 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
I know this is a hardware site but Apple has posted a new video on the Metal 2 API with the a13.https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/tech-talks...
nevcairiel - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
If they really wanted to impress someone, they would join an open industry standard like Vulkan, and actually be useful.debem - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
An API tailored to a specific GPU architecture will aways outperform an open standard, which requires an abstraction lawyer.willis936 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
This is wrong in so many ways.Also the use of an abstraction layer does not preclude the use of a lower layer API.
dudedud - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Any chances of using LPDDR5?tipoo - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Bandwidth results are the same, 99% a no.A5 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Any indication if the new HDR and Night modes are coming to older phones?yacoub35 - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Wow, not even a 1080p display on the regular model yet still priced at flagship model prices.sorten - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Apple continues to dominate with their SoC development, but man are they punishing their customers. Adding storage hungry 4K video and then marking up SSD upgrades by 500% or more. Ouch!Oxford Guy - Sunday, September 15, 2019 - link
Apple didn't get all of its money by being friend to the wallet. It continues to probe the limits of customer tolerance, in terms of sell less for more — the dream of the entity known as the corporation.Lau_Tech - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
It should be a crime to sell something that ugly. Oh well I imagine the pixel 4 will come along and one up the iPhone (in all the bad ways) soon enough.ElFenix - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
Can review sites like this one quit buying the party lie that normal cameras are telephoto? The camera is 52 mm equivalent. That's normal, not telephoto, if you use common camera terms.catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Technically telephoto just means a longer focal length than the normal lens. Since the "normal" focal length on an iPhone is 26mm (at least in 35mm equivalent terms), the 52mm equivalent is technically telephoto.ElFenix - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"Technically telephoto just means a longer focal length than the normal lens."no, no it doesn't. "telephoto" from a technical standpoint means a lens with a telephoto group, which allows the lens to be physically shorter than its optical focal length. from a common parlance standpoint, "telephoto" means a lens/sensor combo with a narrow angle of view. apple's "telephoto" camera is none of these.
nikon133 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
You are right. They have normal, wide and superwide. There's acurate definition of "normal" ange, when it comes to cameras - it is not really open to conclusions."For still photography, a lens with a focal length about equal to the diagonal size of the film or sensor format is considered to be a normal lens".
This puts normal into 40 - 50mm range.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Backing this up. The normal lens focal length for an iPhone sensor would be 7mm at a crop factor of 6, so roughly 42mm in 35mm-equivalent. Their "telephoto" is nothing of the sort.catinthefurnace - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Yes, yes it does. Sorry, just matching your tone...I was referring to common parlance (the literal dictionary definition). Apple's telephoto is one of these. Look it up. The dictionary definition is a relative term. I don't see why it is a blunder for Apple to use the dictionary definition, despite the engineering term being less relative, and constrained. The word "normal" that you used in your original comment is also relative. The degree of precision in the use of language that you find tolerable should be applied across the board. Apple's use of telephoto is justified by the dictionary definition, given that *their* "normal" lens is 26mm.nikon133 - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Well, their "normal" is misleading.It is not about dictionary definition, it is about accepted standards.
Otherwise, Coca Cola could release fizzy drink with 2x more sugar, and rename their standard Coke as low sugar, Slim Coke. Because it is *their* "low" sugar option. Technically true, but misleading.
s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Good point, I need to bring this to the next argument where people call the normal lens telephoto.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
You said "technically". "Technically" you're wrong, and common parlance is a slippery beast.isthisavailable - Tuesday, September 10, 2019 - link
The Pro should start at 128gb. Period.Also, where is the 5.8" iPhone 11?
catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Agreed, but it's really easy to pretend that is the case by ignoring the base model, and imagining that the base is 256GB, and starts at $1,149.blackcrayon - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Probably, their sales last year suggested to them they didn't need one.Awful - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Steve Jobs just vomited in the grave. Those cameras are the antithesis of the aesthetic he pushed for.GlossGhost - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
This is the iPhone you can now call ugly.Oxford Guy - Sunday, September 15, 2019 - link
Aesthetics are typically second to function. Jobs learned this himself when he dropped the overheating Apple III onto the scene.But he didn't learn it well, considering the cracks in the Cube and the penchant for some models of iMac to eat hard drives.
alufan - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
OMG I dont believe they can still get away with this kind of substandard ring fenced anti competitive Business model and the I sheep still fall in line behind them and cough up the outlandish prices they ask, to cripple a device with 64gbs of storage (not sure if thats usable or some is taken by the OS) and then have the gall to charge way over the odds for more storage either via device upgrades or via a expensive monthly plan all while closely controlling what you can do and how you can use your device well, and inventing all types of propriety crap that forces you to use its own accessories only (note the USB C on the outlet end and lightening on the phone end all phones according to EU rules should be the same charger how does apple get away with it) the old adage one born every minute is so true.GC2:CS - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Just drain the whole internet of this.An Iterative update ?! How much is 4 hours longer battery life itterative ? How much is supposedly 800 nit OLED at full APL itterative ? How much is 4 sensors capable of 4K 60fps three of them in HDR (so effectivelly 120 fps) itterative ? Surround sound ? Much improved face ID ? Lower price ?
Oh I know. Maybe if they were 1080/1440p that would not be itterative. Maybe if they had reverse wireless heater that would be a revolution. A different display shape ! Put the four sensors into the corners instead of a notch ! Oh a stylus who wants...
People just cannot get excited (or rather pretend to). They see everything as “itterative” these days. How does that differ from the “exciting yeras” ? Were they “unitterative” or what ?
/rant
/honest
Just did not expected to be this narrative pushed by Annandtech as well. It is sad.
I would want the midnight green, the 11 colors suck, beside red. LOVE the focus on battery life. HATE big phones. Holding on to my 7.
RSAUser - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Prove the 4 hours first.800 nits isn't that amazing and I'd probably never use it, I'd care more about contrast at those levels and color accuracy.
Your camera argument is nonsense.
The sound via vibration of the screen has been done by many other manufacturers, that's marketing BS.
Lower price does not mean a low price, it's still overpriced but Apple Tax.
Display shape definitely, the notch is just plain bad.
There are other manufacturers that make smaller phones, the S10e is an amazing phone and if Samsung make an S11e the same again, it will probably be my upgrade next year.
Xyler94 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Trust me, you would use that 800 Nits every day if you stepped outside and tried using a phone in direct sunlight, :)s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
...No not really, I've lived in the subtropics for a few years and at the time the peak brightness of my phone's screen was 600nits, it was generally legible under the noon sun but really there are very few times I wished the screen had more than 600nits.nikon133 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Have they explained what 1h and 4h longer battery time actually means? I have missed that part. Video playback, music playback, browsing...? Hopefully not standby time?Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Crikey, that's a lot of words to miss the fact that all of the things you mentioned *are iterative*. The phone itself has not fundamentally changed in shape, appearance, or functionality.NetMage - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
I see you can't stand that Apple is successful. Shape and appearance are synonyms, and faster CPU & GPU, wider rear camera, automatic Night Mode, 12MP front camera, +2 GB of RAM, 4 meter water resistance longer battery life and the new 1200 nit display are all functionality improvements.Korguz - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
if you can call over charging for 99% of its products, successful. apple is really no more then just a status symbol now, any way...Alex.A - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"[Night] mode is enabled automatically based on the environment lighting, something that other vendors haven’t been able to implement with their night modes"This is exactly what Samsung had before they moved it to a separate mode (which is more convenient).
s.yu - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
The reason Samsung had it at that was to enable it as less as possible because it wasn't ready, the results were horrible, now it's better.I suspect Apple's night mode is simply better from the get-go, their SmartHDR and even their tuning before that set a good track record.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
I think night modes are usually separate because they change the way the camera operates from "single shot" to "hold and wait". I'd be interested to see how Apple's works, and how the interface warns you of the difference if it still needs to take several shots.Ano Nymous - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Technical question on the difference between the 11 & the 11 Pro: Since the Pro has hours more battery life than the 11 base model, does the pro have something different in the A13? Where does the difference in battery life come from?Glaurung - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
"Where does the difference in battery life come from?"Different screen technology.
catinthefurnace - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
I don't think Apple said the Pro has longer battery life than the 11. They said it has 4 hours more than last year's XS. For last years phones, the XR had much longer battery life than the XS. I would be surprised if the Pro beat the 11 in battery life this year, though the gap between them has certainly shrunk.SydneyBlue120d - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Is L1 + L5 signal with both GPS and Galileo supported?yeeeeman - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Andrei, did you forgot about Exynos 9825?trivik12 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Damn these Apple pro phones are heavy. My S10 is just 157gm despite having bigger screen at 11 pro. max is just hitting crazy territory. Asus Rog II is 240gm but has 6000mah battery !!!!GC2:CS - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
What do you expect from steel unibody, thick glass sandwiches and large batteries ?iPhone XS Max is 208 g. 67 is steel, 46 is battery 42 is glass. You have 53 grams left for all the brains. The display weighs 8 grams.
If you want great weight to area,,buy something bigger.
s.yu - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
Yeah and with the price they should use titanium anyway :)zephyrprime - Monday, October 14, 2019 - link
They shouldn't put glass on the back or use steel. The glass on the back is just useless and a magnet for cracks. There's no point in using steel rather than aluminum either. It doesn't matter how strong your body is so long as you have a glass screen that it by far the weakest link the chain. Apple's gonna do what they're gonna do though.twtech - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
With one of those models pushing $1,500, I guess they haven't yet found the answer to the limit their customers will pay.ilt24 - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
@twtech ... "With one of those models pushing $1,500"and the Samsung Galaxy S10+ is pushing $1600
Lavkesh - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
And Samsung has no business to charge those prices because they use off the shelf components, an open source OS, screw it and put together a phone using all that. The only reason why Samsung ask these prices is because Apple does.Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Odd claim. Samsung do all the R&D for and manufacture the OLED displays in their phones, and Apple's as well. Samsung design and manufacture their own SoC (though they don't put it in the international ones), and their foundries manufactured Apple's up to A9. They also design and manufacture flash storage, and pioneered 3D NAND. So a bunch of those "off-the-shelf" components come off their own shelves... while Apple don't manufacture anything themselves.Basically you're missing a bunch in that analysis, but your final point is correct - they didn't dare reaching for that absurdly high-end pricing until Apple laid the ground for it.
NetMage - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
Actually Apple does a lot of the R&D for their screens, shared with Samsung, and Samsung uses their own SOC in the international versions, and Qualcomm in the US versions. Manufacturing the A9 is irrelevant to the prices they charge for their phones, and actually TSMC started sharing manufacturing with the A8 and became exclusive with the A9X. Apple certainly "manufactures" their own OS and designs their own SOC, including the GPU and all cores, unlike Samsung where they still use ARM cores and ARM GPUs in their partially custom SOC.pjcamp - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
Stick them cameras out where they can get good and scratched! Because that's less important than thin.cyberfrost - Wednesday, September 11, 2019 - link
I like 11 Pro but the camera module us ugly. 11 is good except for the screen. I wish 11 had at least 1080P resolution.cmdrdredd - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Waiting for 5G radio before I upgrade.Haawser - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Hmm, $700 for a 64GB, 6.1" that isn't even 1080p ? That's a hard pass. I could probably buy two very decent Android phones for that, and have money left over for a 128GB SD card.Lavkesh - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Amazing how pedestrian people can be. Why dont you just buy a 1080p screen and proclaim its better than the iPhone. Isnt that the your only metric for deciding which one is better?Haawser - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
No, there are plenty of other reasons. Like 4k capable video with only 64GB of (fixed) storage, so it will get used up in a heartbeat, no headphone jack, battery life that if it's 'an hour longer than the XR' will still be pretty dismal, a glass back that costs 50% of the phone to replace if you drop it because: reasons, no AMOLED, no in screen fingerprint sensor, massive notch, etc.I thought I was being being kind not mentioning more of the things I find wrong for SEVEN HUNDRED DOLLARS !, but I guess I was being too pedestrian. My bad.
Spunjji - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
I too am pedestrian in my dislike for obvious rip-offs. The 11 is measurably worse than my OnePlus 6 in most aspects you'd notice on a daily basis (display quality/notch size, battery life, storage capacity, headphone jack) and costs 50% more than I paid for it a year ago. Long may we be pedestrian together.s.yu - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
OnePlus 7 is a step back then with loss of the jack. It's quite a perplexing move considering their supposedly enthusiast positioning.mrochester - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
Enthusiasts would be using Bluetooth headphones.Korguz - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
not really.... there are still better wired headphones out theres.yu - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
That's entirely laughable.mrochester - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
You then wouldn’t have iOS then.versesuvius - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Other hardware manufacturers, have the decency to keep prices at about the same level with every generation of their new and improved products. But not this one. At every turn it gets more ugly, redundant and expensive.NetMage - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
The 11 actually deceased in price from the XR and the 11 Pro lineup stayed the same, but don't let facts bother your narrative.Korguz - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
that could also depend on where you are, for me, the last generation or 2 of the iphone, have been REALLY expensive.eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
@Andrei: Could you do a summary/comparison overview or review of the video recording capabilities (4K, frame rates, HDR yes/no, ability to select codec and bit rates, how good is the video and audio at optimal setting) of the current crop of smartphones? I know it's not an essential for many, but I also know that I am not the only one for whom the ability to take good or even great video is a key consideration when picking my next mobile. If you do this, please group by price class, as you already do for general comparisons. Would really appreciate it. Thanks!eastcoast_pete - Thursday, September 12, 2019 - link
Forgot to add: OIS yes/no and how good is the EIS . Find myself shooting videos while moving about more and more often.Quantumz0d - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
For that Bitrate selection on Audio, I think only LG does it. I have a V30 with me, the Audio Recorder app has most sophisticated Audio controls ever on a Smartphone.For an overview hit this V20 link which explains it all,
http://www.lgnewsroom.com/2016/11/three-reasons-wh...
and you get the same UI embedded in the Video recorder app. TL;DR - Low Cut Filter - to chop off the big bassy noises and the gain switch to increase the sensitivity, the FLAC / WAV options, The Sampling rate upto 192KHz, Stereo ofc or Mono and can offload it / record it directly to an SD slot.
FHD and 4k Bitrate is also selectable, all options in the camera app itself. That alone speaks volumes how much of feature rich it is to me, to add they use 3 Mics to do this, Plus the Audio Chip ESS9218P is an exceptional performer for playback and the DNC/ANC processing as it a standalone Interference free chip on the Mobo.
And here in AT what we got was bashing the ESS chip numerous times as nothing vs Aqustic (trash Qualcomm audio chip on the SoC), go to G8 review and see the comments.
https://www.anandtech.com/show/14166/the-lg-g8-rev...
So unfortunate that even AT doesn't have anything to put while Head-Fi has over 300 pages of discussion and a 50 page thread for how to optimize the Audio on a dedicated DAC chip Android phone with USB Audio Pro player with Bitperfect non oversampling Android pipeline but dedicated direct path.
This is coming from a person who has over 150GB of Audio on his Rooted and Bootloader unlocked LG V30 and have an iPod video, Samsung Galaxy S (Voodoo Sound mod, infamous hack)
s.yu - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
...so long story short you can't get that bit perfect pipeline without root or a proprietary version of Android like the dedicated music players running Android?Quantumz0d - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Who said that ? Bitperfect USB Audio Player Pro does it without Root for now (Android 9) With Google clamping everything down castrating Android to iOS level with the biggest nerf ever to Android - Scoped Storage. And Killing Hidden (Undocumented APIs) we don't know the future.And I mentioned it because the upsampling is not preferred by many. And if you look up G7 review of Audioscience website. The LG music app is enough for many (However the UI is better on third party players like Neutron, Power Amp, USB Audio Player Pro etc)
My main point was about how AT doesn't even have gear to measure the Vrms output of ESS DACs which was done ny Audioscience and how LG tuned their DAC processor unlike EVGA NU Audio ( Automated on LG vs NU Audio Manual) and all I got was XDA people are retarded and ESS is shit and doesn't have anything. This flatout denial of facts and no nod on any of this is unfortunate for Audio enthusiasts.
However the credit of Subversion mastery goes to Apple and Co (Youtube shills and Other Press sites heralding that trash sub 320kbps Apple Audio pipeline and inferior garbage AirPods vs True Audio prowess like LG, Vivo Nex - ESS, AKM respectively)
Quantumz0d - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Here's the LG V30 thread on Head Fi for UAPP etc tips..https://www.head-fi.org/threads/music-apps-tips-an...
s.yu - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
Ah ha...?Alright I have Neutron because there's an obvious improvement compared to other players I tried so far, and slightly more so with the high res codec, but my phone doesn't have a discrete DAC.
However whatever I upgrade to in a few months will probably have one, also I'm curious if Android based players like those from A&K may install 3rd party players and retain use of the proper pipeline, mainly because Neutron has an incredible EQ implementation I suspect I won't find native on a player.
AshlayW - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Is that GPU performance accounting for resolution, are they all tested at the same resolution? As the base model iPhone 11 is a relatively small pixel count for a high end (£700+ yikes) smartphone, the other phones might be pushing more pixels hence the lower scores. (I wouldn't put it past marketing to do that these days).Off Topic:
Also, Anandtech please, please can you not use banner video adverts that follow the viewport on the webpage. I know there's "X" to close them but each time I load the webpage it gets a bit annoying. I don't use adblockers on sites like this because I respect that they are sustained by advert revenue (adblockers are killing the "free web") but I just ask that the ads are less intrusive. the side banners are OK and static ads are OK (personalised adverts are the best, since I'm reading a tech site I get PC Hardware adverts which is nice, but completely irrelevant ones are not, like hygiene products.), but I also find the banners inside the content itself really difficult because I have an attention deficit issue and I often have to spend longer to re-read words and auto-playing videos in these sections are highly distracting. :(
s.yu - Saturday, September 14, 2019 - link
You know this is only Apple we're talking about so their slides could generally be interpreted like the rest of them, I believe when it says GPU performance, it's GPU performance, i.e. an off-screen performance directly reflecting the performance of the GPU normalized between resolutions.If these are Huawei slides however, I would remain highly skeptical, it would have to be interpreted in whatever possible, if even absurd way, that makes them look pretty, see their GPU Turbo scandal.
peevee - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
Had it had USB-C, I would switch. Android phone vendors suck, even Google. Oh PH-2, where are thou?peevee - Friday, September 13, 2019 - link
"There’s still two big performance new “Lightning” cores and the improvement claims here are 20% faster and 30% lower power. It’s not clear if this is actually both improvements at the same time or either of them – last year it ended up actually being either one or the other based on our testing. "Always assume the worst because marketoids always lie.
Oxford Guy - Sunday, September 15, 2019 - link
"What’s unfortunately shameful here is that Apple opted to continue to only offer 64GB of storage on the base models"128 GB is shameful. 64 GB.... well.... is Apple.
[email protected] - Monday, September 16, 2019 - link
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Anymoore - Tuesday, September 17, 2019 - link
They are forecasting 75 million iPhone 11 units in 2019. All the EUV tools in the world at double speed cannot produce that much.Aydan25 - Friday, September 20, 2019 - link
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Eug - Saturday, September 21, 2019 - link
4 GB RAM confirmed for the Pros (and the 11).Geekbench says 4 GB, Antutu says 4 GB, Xcode says 4 GB, Apple's Chinese regulatory filings say 4 GB, and the iFixit teardown shows a single 32 Gb (4 GB) Hynix memory chip.
plazastore - Wednesday, September 25, 2019 - link
The triple iPhone 11 camera may be one of the best mobile phone cameras, but it has a bad design.This website analyze iPhone 11 camera very well:
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CNN - Monday, September 30, 2019 - link
Hello,I bought an Apple Macbook Pro 15 inch in around April 2015 in the UK. All I can say is that the laptop has been a nightmare for me. Sometimes, my battery will be showing 75% charged but if I try to work with the laptop, it will go off. It heats like fire. Now, I just learned that Apple is recalling Macbook Pro (Model: Retina, 15 Mid) which supposedly should be the type I have bought. Please, does anyone here know how I can follow the recall process to return my laptop to them?
Thank you.
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mandirabl - Saturday, October 5, 2019 - link
So, how about an in-depth review? :)twin-pt - Tuesday, October 8, 2019 - link
Can we expect a full review of the iPhone 11's "flavours" soon?