"the new Exynos 980 is the first chip to be announced to come with the new Cortex-A77 CPU from Arm"
No, the Mediatek 5G SoC is the first announced with A77. This is clearly Samsung's answer but Mediatek's device seems to be a better choice being 7 nm and using Mali G77.
The high-end SoC market might get cannibalized by these new mid-range 5G chips. The obvious loser will be Qualcomm...
I would really like to see E1's in commercial SoC's preferably eight of them as they would have ¼ power consumption and 50% performance per core compared to A77. Most significantly that would boost base user experience while power/area swings should be used for implementation bigger GPU and decent memory controller.
Why not? I mean I know ARM ment it to go on network servers & data centers but that's not really a stopping factor. It's meant to go on DynamIQ clusters so it's integration is fairly easy. We desperately need a energy efficient enough OoO core's as a switch for in order one's where that's achievable on leading edge lithography. In such condition E1 fine tuned around 2 GHz wouldn't use more than 100~120 mW paird with second gen 7 nm EUV FinFET (based on free estimates on ARM own protections). That leaves 1.5~1.7 W out of 2.5 for everything else while CPU's are in full load... I mean really this would be a step up & a simple one.
We could argue about SMT & especially vertical implementation of it as MIPS did & how efficient it is after all ARM claims E1 is most power efficient OoO design ever. Truth is it would need some scheduler adjustments and won't play nice with big little scheduling. ARM plans... They will soon be glad to sell what ever they can.
Hoping that this will go into the A51 might be too optimistic, but it will be nice if the A71 gets it, at least. Would be great if the 970, 960 etc. are just as attractive. Qualcomm (us) could really use some competition.
Where did you read it's NSA? Qualcomm's X50 so far was the only 5G silicon that was NSA only, everybody else had SA from the get-go, including the Exynos 5100, so I doubt the modem in here would be NSA.
Thanks Andrei! Yes, the 5G is important, but it's also interesting that Samsung uses "plain" A 77 here for the two high-performance cores, and not their own M4 or successor design. Are they walking away from their in-house high-power cores ? Have you heard anything?
No DynamIQ for Samsung's M4 Cores. So it may be just the effortlessness of Implementation of an all-ARM design, that's more desirable in a mid-range SoC.
Probably its code would be S5E9630. And E9825 is 7LPP in spec table. Yes. It is 7LPP but not 7LPP we knew.
M5 will be dropped out because it share similar position in perf. LSI want to choose M5 but Sammy's IM don't think same. Probably we can see E9830 with Cortex-A77.
Andrei. I'm looking forward to see your E9825 review.
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brakdoo - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
"the new Exynos 980 is the first chip to be announced to come with the new Cortex-A77 CPU from Arm"No, the Mediatek 5G SoC is the first announced with A77. This is clearly Samsung's answer but Mediatek's device seems to be a better choice being 7 nm and using Mali G77.
The high-end SoC market might get cannibalized by these new mid-range 5G chips. The obvious loser will be Qualcomm...
brakdoo - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
"The new chipset will be ready for lead customer samples in Q3 of 2019 and be in commercial devices by Q1 of 2020"https://www.mediatek.com/news-events/press-release...
ZolaIII - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
I would really like to see E1's in commercial SoC's preferably eight of them as they would have ¼ power consumption and 50% performance per core compared to A77. Most significantly that would boost base user experience while power/area swings should be used for implementation bigger GPU and decent memory controller.Lodix - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
E1?Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Neoverse E1. That CPU will not be employed in mobile devices.ZolaIII - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Why not? I mean I know ARM ment it to go on network servers & data centers but that's not really a stopping factor. It's meant to go on DynamIQ clusters so it's integration is fairly easy. We desperately need a energy efficient enough OoO core's as a switch for in order one's where that's achievable on leading edge lithography. In such condition E1 fine tuned around 2 GHz wouldn't use more than 100~120 mW paird with second gen 7 nm EUV FinFET (based on free estimates on ARM own protections). That leaves 1.5~1.7 W out of 2.5 for everything else while CPU's are in full load... I mean really this would be a step up & a simple one.Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
SMT makes zero sense in mobile as it's not power-efficient, Arm has no plans to adopt it outside infrastructure / inside mobile.ZolaIII - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
We could argue about SMT & especially vertical implementation of it as MIPS did & how efficient it is after all ARM claims E1 is most power efficient OoO design ever. Truth is it would need some scheduler adjustments and won't play nice with big little scheduling. ARM plans... They will soon be glad to sell what ever they can.Gemuk - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Hoping that this will go into the A51 might be too optimistic, but it will be nice if the A71 gets it, at least. Would be great if the 970, 960 etc. are just as attractive. Qualcomm (us) could really use some competition.SydneyBlue120d - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Is 5G SA supported? Or just NSA?What about AV1 encoding in 2160p60 ?
heffeque - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
It's 5G NSA, so it requires 4G to work, so it's not pure 5G.What a shame...
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Where did you read it's NSA? Qualcomm's X50 so far was the only 5G silicon that was NSA only, everybody else had SA from the get-go, including the Exynos 5100, so I doubt the modem in here would be NSA.NICOXIS - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
This SoC will probably come in the 2020 versions of the A series. Quite a nice upgrade, I'd say.eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
Thanks Andrei! Yes, the 5G is important, but it's also interesting that Samsung uses "plain" A 77 here for the two high-performance cores, and not their own M4 or successor design. Are they walking away from their in-house high-power cores ? Have you heard anything?Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 4, 2019 - link
It's a mid-range chip, the custom cores will continue in the flagship SoCs.smalM - Thursday, September 5, 2019 - link
No DynamIQ for Samsung's M4 Cores. So it may be just the effortlessness of Implementation of an all-ARM design, that's more desirable in a mid-range SoC.mercucu1111 - Thursday, September 5, 2019 - link
Probably its code would be S5E9630. And E9825 is 7LPP in spec table. Yes. It is 7LPP but not 7LPP we knew.M5 will be dropped out because it share similar position in perf. LSI want to choose M5 but Sammy's IM don't think same. Probably we can see E9830 with Cortex-A77.
Andrei. I'm looking forward to see your E9825 review.
Psyside - Thursday, September 5, 2019 - link
What i would love to see is an Exynos 970 version without the 5G modem, slightly less gpu and core clocks as a budge version, it would be perfect!Psyside - Thursday, September 5, 2019 - link
^ Budget,Otto Sun - Saturday, September 7, 2019 - link
How to achieve 2.55Gbps? 1024QAM?