Still dual slot. I wish they could work on cooling efficiency and roll out a single slot solution. I have a 750ti in my media center system that I want to replace, but it is hard to find a modern day card with that profile that does any type of gaming at all. It was low profile, single slot, and did not even have a fan. It can even do gaming with most last gen games. Details were usually on medium and it definitely did not win awards for performance, but it was worth every penny I put into it (it was cheap though, so that is not saying much.)
I dont believe, even for a second, that you have a single slot half height passive 750ti. A 75 watt GPU cant be cooled in such a capacity, and I cant find any pictures online of such a card ever existing. If you want a single slot half height GPU, you have to go for lower TDP, think 35 watt. Nothing to do with cooling efficiency, it doesnt matter how efficient your cooler is, doing 75 watt in a single slot half height with no fan is impossible, short of a specialized server design. Galaxy and zotac both made 750ti single slot LP cards, but both had fans on them.
seconded, I think eek2121 is mistaken. The form factor sounds a lot more like a 730 or below; at ~25W I could see one of those being fanless and half-height single slot although half height/half length/dual slot passive appears to be the default.
I am completely certain that a fanless 750ti was never produced, not even a fanless 750. I replaced my 750's fan with an open-air aluminum heatsink approximately the size of a 12" sub and my system still throttles the GPU during benchmarking. (I have GPU temperature limited to 80c, ambient ~30c)
"I am completely certain that a fanless 750ti was never produced, not even a fanless 750."
Zotac produced a full-height single slot passively cooled GTX 750, which they called the GTX 750 Zone. I actually still have it in the spare parts collection (it's handy for debugging systems).
I am unable to find a single slow, low-profile variant though...
I do have a single slot, low profile, passively cooled (Using aftermarket cooler) Geforce 1030 in a Core 2 Quad Q9650 rig... But I wouldn't be surprised if a 750Ti could beat it.
Feels like a market segment that is often neglected to be honest...
A 30W and 60W GPU can both be passively cooled, but there's a significant difference in cost; at 30W a cheap aluminum heatsink is fine, but at 60W+ you need many thin fins and a copper heatpipe or two. I wish we had some more passive mid-range cards, but it's a market that's neglected because of the cost.
IIRC the passive 6850s were triple-slot cards that hit 90C+ temps
Get a quadro p620 it uses the same gpu as the gtx 1050. Single slot, half height, positively tiny. All the hardware decode you might need for HTPC (which the Gt 1030 lacks btw). They can be had off ebay for $100-150. A lot of workstations come with them just to have a display output and people immediately replace them with their own high end quadro because it's cheaper than getting the high end quadro with the workstation through Dell or HP. Ebay is flooded with these low end quadros. They're great little cards.
Would be nice if this was a GeForce 1660, because the 1650 doesn't have the Turing NVENC. Still, a better choice than the GeForce 1030 which doesn't even have Pascal's NVENC, and an alternative to the Radeon RX550/560 for Low Profile systems.
Nearly impossible. Going over 128 bit int he size of a LP cars is very costly and difficult to do, to my knowledge its only been done once, with the 7850 LP, and that was a super niche product that I never once saw in the wild.
That sounds surprising, I loved my AMD 4850 single slot card and that was a 256 bit bus, so I'd like to think if they could do that going Low Profile could be done for a 128 bit. I agree though I wish we saw more single slot designs esp for SFF use cases.
Bus width has nothing to do with it being single slot, as the PCB is still the same. On LP, the board is smaller, so less room for routing those 256 bits as well as the actual memory modules.
Also the low profile Nvidia 9800GT from Sparkle, many years go. 256bit bus, though it was GDDR3, likely without the wild GDDR5/x/6 routing/trace requirements.
I'd assume half height would be doable at 256bit, but only by putting half the ram on the back of the card like was done in the past for some 16 ram chip cards.
SFF cards would really benefit from HBM prices dropping enough to be an option at mass market prices. Maybe someday...
It'd be easier if the memory used was HBM. The RX Vega M chip used in Kaby Lake-G would have made for an excellent small form factor video card. I'm actually surprised that that die never found its niche as a desktop part.
Can it be truly low profile when it seems to come with a full profile bracket? I imagine it can be changed. Else it would be sad, specially being a 2 slot card.
Every half high PCIe device I have seen comes with both type of brackets in the box. I did pause to think about why they included the full high bracket in the press photos then I realized why. The full profile photo draws attention to high high nature of the card. People buying product like for industry never look at the photos only the spec sheets. Home users do however look at press shots for info and this draws attention to the main selling point.
Yes, the 1650 is Pascal NVENC. But that's still a significant upgrade over the previous Low-Profile GeForce 1030, which didn't even have Pascal's NVENC.
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eek2121 - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
Still dual slot. I wish they could work on cooling efficiency and roll out a single slot solution. I have a 750ti in my media center system that I want to replace, but it is hard to find a modern day card with that profile that does any type of gaming at all. It was low profile, single slot, and did not even have a fan. It can even do gaming with most last gen games. Details were usually on medium and it definitely did not win awards for performance, but it was worth every penny I put into it (it was cheap though, so that is not saying much.)TheinsanegamerN - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
I dont believe, even for a second, that you have a single slot half height passive 750ti. A 75 watt GPU cant be cooled in such a capacity, and I cant find any pictures online of such a card ever existing. If you want a single slot half height GPU, you have to go for lower TDP, think 35 watt. Nothing to do with cooling efficiency, it doesnt matter how efficient your cooler is, doing 75 watt in a single slot half height with no fan is impossible, short of a specialized server design. Galaxy and zotac both made 750ti single slot LP cards, but both had fans on them.Mind posting a pic of this card?
DanNeely - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
seconded, I think eek2121 is mistaken. The form factor sounds a lot more like a 730 or below; at ~25W I could see one of those being fanless and half-height single slot although half height/half length/dual slot passive appears to be the default.grant3 - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
I am completely certain that a fanless 750ti was never produced, not even a fanless 750.I replaced my 750's fan with an open-air aluminum heatsink approximately the size of a 12" sub and my system still throttles the GPU during benchmarking. (I have GPU temperature limited to 80c, ambient ~30c)
Ryan Smith - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
"I am completely certain that a fanless 750ti was never produced, not even a fanless 750."Zotac produced a full-height single slot passively cooled GTX 750, which they called the GTX 750 Zone. I actually still have it in the spare parts collection (it's handy for debugging systems).
StevoLincolnite - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
There are passively cooled Radeon 6850's with 125w+ TDPs.There are certainly passively cooled Geforce 750 Ti's.
Case in point: https://www.pcgamer.com/au/palits-gtx-750-ti-emplo...
I am unable to find a single slow, low-profile variant though...
I do have a single slot, low profile, passively cooled (Using aftermarket cooler) Geforce 1030 in a Core 2 Quad Q9650 rig... But I wouldn't be surprised if a 750Ti could beat it.
Feels like a market segment that is often neglected to be honest...
futurepastnow - Monday, August 26, 2019 - link
A 30W and 60W GPU can both be passively cooled, but there's a significant difference in cost; at 30W a cheap aluminum heatsink is fine, but at 60W+ you need many thin fins and a copper heatpipe or two. I wish we had some more passive mid-range cards, but it's a market that's neglected because of the cost.IIRC the passive 6850s were triple-slot cards that hit 90C+ temps
Oxford Guy - Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - link
AMD claims an even higher temperature is safe for the latest Navi cards.grant3 - Monday, August 26, 2019 - link
consider me corrected; thank you. That is indeed the kind of passive cooler i think would be needed for a 750Ej24 - Saturday, August 24, 2019 - link
Get a quadro p620 it uses the same gpu as the gtx 1050. Single slot, half height, positively tiny. All the hardware decode you might need for HTPC (which the Gt 1030 lacks btw). They can be had off ebay for $100-150. A lot of workstations come with them just to have a display output and people immediately replace them with their own high end quadro because it's cheaper than getting the high end quadro with the workstation through Dell or HP. Ebay is flooded with these low end quadros. They're great little cards.timecop1818 - Tuesday, August 27, 2019 - link
No 8K60P HEVC decode on Pascal/GTX1050/Quadro P series. Needs Turing 1650 minimum.MenhirMike - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
Would be nice if this was a GeForce 1660, because the 1650 doesn't have the Turing NVENC. Still, a better choice than the GeForce 1030 which doesn't even have Pascal's NVENC, and an alternative to the Radeon RX550/560 for Low Profile systems.TheinsanegamerN - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
Nearly impossible. Going over 128 bit int he size of a LP cars is very costly and difficult to do, to my knowledge its only been done once, with the 7850 LP, and that was a super niche product that I never once saw in the wild.Myrandex - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
That sounds surprising, I loved my AMD 4850 single slot card and that was a 256 bit bus, so I'd like to think if they could do that going Low Profile could be done for a 128 bit. I agree though I wish we saw more single slot designs esp for SFF use cases.ajp_anton - Saturday, August 24, 2019 - link
Bus width has nothing to do with it being single slot, as the PCB is still the same. On LP, the board is smaller, so less room for routing those 256 bits as well as the actual memory modules.jeremyshaw - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
Also the low profile Nvidia 9800GT from Sparkle, many years go. 256bit bus, though it was GDDR3, likely without the wild GDDR5/x/6 routing/trace requirements.DanNeely - Friday, August 23, 2019 - link
I'd assume half height would be doable at 256bit, but only by putting half the ram on the back of the card like was done in the past for some 16 ram chip cards.SFF cards would really benefit from HBM prices dropping enough to be an option at mass market prices. Maybe someday...
Kevin G - Saturday, August 24, 2019 - link
It'd be easier if the memory used was HBM. The RX Vega M chip used in Kaby Lake-G would have made for an excellent small form factor video card. I'm actually surprised that that die never found its niche as a desktop part.lmcd - Sunday, August 25, 2019 - link
It wasn't actually Vega, it was missing a bunch of features and was mostly a Polaris card from what I understand.valinor89 - Saturday, August 24, 2019 - link
Can it be truly low profile when it seems to come with a full profile bracket? I imagine it can be changed. Else it would be sad, specially being a 2 slot card.Skeptical123 - Saturday, August 24, 2019 - link
Every half high PCIe device I have seen comes with both type of brackets in the box. I did pause to think about why they included the full high bracket in the press photos then I realized why. The full profile photo draws attention to high high nature of the card. People buying product like for industry never look at the photos only the spec sheets. Home users do however look at press shots for info and this draws attention to the main selling point.Smell This - Sunday, August 25, 2019 - link
Unless things have changed, the newest-generation NVENC encoder hardware is missing in TU117 __ it is a Pascal equivalent ...
MenhirMike - Sunday, August 25, 2019 - link
Yes, the 1650 is Pascal NVENC. But that's still a significant upgrade over the previous Low-Profile GeForce 1030, which didn't even have Pascal's NVENC.u.of.ipod - Monday, August 26, 2019 - link
Previous LP card was actually 1050ti. This offers about a 20% performance boost in gaming IIRC.Oxford Guy - Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - link
Releasing an already-oudated encoder is hardly an improvement. It's a regression in disguise.futurepastnow - Monday, August 26, 2019 - link
Will there be a GT 1630?Oxford Guy - Wednesday, August 28, 2019 - link
Posts "quiet" twice but we're dealing with a factory overclock on a low-profile card.No noise spec posted anywhere.