@Ryan was the Twitter feed intentionally removed from the sidebar? It hasn't shown for me for at least a week; disabling my blockers didn't change anything.
Is it that the PHP API has changed to disallow TLS 1.0? If you're using PHP you may need to specify tlsv1.2:// in the connection string to force it to be used: http://docs.php.net/manual/en/migration56.openssl....
For me I edited drupal_http_request() in includes/common.inc to have $fp = @fsockopen('tlsv1.2://'. $uri['host'], $port, $errno, $errstr, $timeout); in the https: case in case it helps. Maybe kinda heavy-handed as it impacts other things, but if they don't support TLS 1.2 by now, that's arguably a problem with them!
No! Leave it out. Put a link to twitter feed if someone really wants to try to decipher all the tweets. It just takes up too much space and the few words it shows really makes no sense unless you click on it anyway. That and most of the time, casual reader has no idea what you are talking about without the initial context included. Blog posts would be far more interesting and professional.
The ASUS auto overclock on my 3900x had it at 4350 mhz, which I didn't think was that good because I thought all core was supposed to be 4300 mhz out of the box, but apparently going on that chart I have a golden sample.
IMO it's pointless to overclock with Ryzen. You will likely see better performance by NOT overclocking. This is by no way an insult to AMD, it's just that they maximize performance out of the box.
With the right BIOS, the 3900X should hit 4.6 GHz on at least 2 cores (if not more) as long as you have sufficient cooling. I know some people have seen all core 4.6 GHz boost when not overclocked as long as the chip is kept cool. The problem is that the AGESA situation was (is?) a mess. Many folks initially weren't seeing advertised boost, while others were.
If I'm not mistaken, all Ryzen 3000 chips so far have had 6-8 cores enabled per chiplet. But they could do a 2 chiplet 8-core with 4 cores enabled on each, and higher clocks. Right?
This would decrease yield because the disabled cores could have defects in them. If they did go this route it would add cost to find which cores are the highest performing cores. I know you can set the number of active cores in BIOS, but it might be neat to select which specific cores are disable to allow enthusiasts to characterize each core and go into a fewer core, higher single threaded performance mode. It would also allow cute things like maximally spreading thermal load across the dies.
Actually, I was thinking they would specifically use the chiplets with 3-4 bad cores in them. And then hit higher clocks simply because more of the chiplet is dark.
The same chiplets are used in Epyc, Ryzen, and soon Threadripper, so they must have a stockpile of these "half good" chiplets by now.
They are probably harvesting their better bins for Rome right now. But yes, a higher bin eight core (3850x ?) some time in the future would be nice, especially as an upgrade option later on.
This is a waste of money. Most ryzen 3000 CPUs top out at 4.2-4.3Ghz anyway and that say, 100mhz difference between your average Cpu compared to a binned one gets you almost negligible performance increase, especially on a low core count Cpu like the 3700x.
Yeah. Now, if we're talking APUs, I can see the challenge to get a micro-system as fast as possible...but then, I'd wait until next year's are out, because what's the point without Zen 2?
You’re going from a 3.6-3.8ghz base to a 4.3ghz base. That’s significant. Now, if the argument is that most of the chips will do 4.2ghz anyway, well that’s the gamble you take in choosing pre-binned or not. You pay for the guarantee.
AMD's auto overclocking on the processors, makes this questionable, if we also consider that Ryzen CPUs don't overclock much more than that. For anyone not looking to break records, it is probably more logical to invest that extra money on a really good cooling system.
If it's non-binned then it's a lottery. By definition it's been binned if it's been tested to see what speeds it hits. Regardless of which bin it ends up in.
It's a lottery where you now know that the chances of getting the best chip are no longer possible. IOW, their 'lottery' will be a lot worse than buying from someone who doesn't bin, since at least in the latter case there's a _chance_ to get one of the best CPUs. There's no chance in the former case, since they already been removed from selection.
How is that wrong? Reseller A and Reseller B each buy 100 chips. A sells all chips as marked by AMD. B sells binned chips. B will sort through its purchase and sell the cherry pick the best out of the 100, then sell the rest as marked by AMD. If you buy an unbinned CPU from reseller B, then you will are far less likely to get a "good" CPU as they have been harvested out of the supply. Whereas buying from Reseller A will give you a higher chance of getting a "good" processor since A does not spend the time to harvest the best of their order and sell it as such.
'Binned' Does not mean 'good'. The chips that don't overclock are still binned. They're just in the bad bin. The OP said non-binned chips will be bad. That's just wrong. Non-binned chips have unknown properties.
Ah, I see. You knew what the OP was talking about the all along and were being obtuse in order to reach a point where you would lawyer over wording. Well don't let me stop you. Have fun with that.
So you don't have to waste time and money (return them is not free or resell unwanted ones on ebay) buying multiple cpus to find a golden chip that can do high overclock
Any Ryzen can have the base all-cores frequency raised to max boost (For the 3k range that's around 4.8 GHz) on two conditions: 1: The CPU core voltage has to be locked down to base set voltage to prevent excessive heating. 2: Get a decent cooler! The stock coolers aren't built for more than a couple of cores going flat out.
While is true for Intel and it used to be true for Ryzen 1000 and 2000, that's no longer the case. The CCX dies are binned such that only a single core needs to be efficient enough to hit *near* the boost clock. The CCX with a strong core is then paired with a weaker CCX. This allows Ryzen to have strong single thread performance as well as fairly good multi-core for consumers. The two downsides to having only one strong core (for non-overclocked users) are increased power (shuffling workloads) and a slight hit to performance (mostly mitigated by the scheduler prioritizing stronger cores). AMD is potentially saving the best CCX dies for threadripper or higher binned parts if they need to better compete with Intel.
Tom's isn't saying anything new. All the cores have to be good for it to boost that fast at all. Just, as a collective, they're throttled to stay in a temperature range.
Cap the voltage and boost the cooling, then you're good to go for the all-cores base to be set at max boost+XFR. The frequency is the same for all models of a generation. Which I believe is 4.8 GHz for the Zen2 chips.
Binning doesn't apply until above the top XFR frequency. Given the lack of info on those retailed "binned" parts I wouldn't be trusting my money on them delivering any extra value at all.
"All the cores have to be good for it to boost that fast at all." That part hasn't changed. What has changed is that AMD is now only targeting one core to hit the full boost clock on consumer parts. On previous models, all cores could hit the boost clock.
Short of phase change cooling, you won't be able to overclock the 3700X/3900X to the 4.4 / 4.6ghz. When taxing AVX2, most aren't going to make it past 4.1 even with good cooling (per Silicone Lottery). For non-AVX, 4.2 to 4.3 is the highest overclock on water cooling.
The individual cores things sounds like a coolade story to me.
The same physics is still there. Cap the voltage and you restrict the heating. Do that and it's a lot easier to control the temperature. Keep the temperature under control (70°C) with a better cooler and you can go right to XFR across all cores at once without needed any special binning.
I haven't seen any indication of the review sites even trying this though.
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Thunder 57 - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
the 4.6GHz for the 3700X must be a typo. Probably supposed to be 4.3GHz, right?DanNeely - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Yup. Go to the linked site the E449 one is 4.3ghz.Ryan Smith - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Thanks!DanNeely - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
@Ryan was the Twitter feed intentionally removed from the sidebar? It hasn't shown for me for at least a week; disabling my blockers didn't change anything.Ryan Smith - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
It's been removed for the moment while we hammer out an issue with it. It will return.GreenReaper - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Is it that the PHP API has changed to disallow TLS 1.0? If you're using PHP you may need to specify tlsv1.2:// in the connection string to force it to be used: http://docs.php.net/manual/en/migration56.openssl....GreenReaper - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
For me I edited drupal_http_request() in includes/common.inc to have$fp = @fsockopen('tlsv1.2://'. $uri['host'], $port, $errno, $errstr, $timeout);
in the https: case in case it helps. Maybe kinda heavy-handed as it impacts other things, but if they don't support TLS 1.2 by now, that's arguably a problem with them!
GreenReaper - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Sorry, not PHP API, Twitter API. They had a big thing about it here:https://twittercommunity.com/t/removing-support-fo...
Dug - Monday, August 19, 2019 - link
No! Leave it out. Put a link to twitter feed if someone really wants to try to decipher all the tweets. It just takes up too much space and the few words it shows really makes no sense unless you click on it anyway. That and most of the time, casual reader has no idea what you are talking about without the initial context included.Blog posts would be far more interesting and professional.
Sttm - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
The ASUS auto overclock on my 3900x had it at 4350 mhz, which I didn't think was that good because I thought all core was supposed to be 4300 mhz out of the box, but apparently going on that chart I have a golden sample.How good your Ryzen chip is, is confusing.
eek2121 - Monday, August 19, 2019 - link
IMO it's pointless to overclock with Ryzen. You will likely see better performance by NOT overclocking. This is by no way an insult to AMD, it's just that they maximize performance out of the box.With the right BIOS, the 3900X should hit 4.6 GHz on at least 2 cores (if not more) as long as you have sufficient cooling. I know some people have seen all core 4.6 GHz boost when not overclocked as long as the chip is kept cool. The problem is that the AGESA situation was (is?) a mess. Many folks initially weren't seeing advertised boost, while others were.
FreckledTrout - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Well here's to hoping AMD does a higher bin 8-core. Looks like it should be entirely possible.nandnandnand - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
If I'm not mistaken, all Ryzen 3000 chips so far have had 6-8 cores enabled per chiplet. But they could do a 2 chiplet 8-core with 4 cores enabled on each, and higher clocks. Right?willis936 - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
This would decrease yield because the disabled cores could have defects in them. If they did go this route it would add cost to find which cores are the highest performing cores. I know you can set the number of active cores in BIOS, but it might be neat to select which specific cores are disable to allow enthusiasts to characterize each core and go into a fewer core, higher single threaded performance mode. It would also allow cute things like maximally spreading thermal load across the dies.nandnandnand - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Actually, I was thinking they would specifically use the chiplets with 3-4 bad cores in them. And then hit higher clocks simply because more of the chiplet is dark.The same chiplets are used in Epyc, Ryzen, and soon Threadripper, so they must have a stockpile of these "half good" chiplets by now.
Irata - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
They are probably harvesting their better bins for Rome right now. But yes, a higher bin eight core (3850x ?) some time in the future would be nice, especially as an upgrade option later on.scineram - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
With two chiplets.yeeeeman - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
This is a waste of money. Most ryzen 3000 CPUs top out at 4.2-4.3Ghz anyway and that say, 100mhz difference between your average Cpu compared to a binned one gets you almost negligible performance increase, especially on a low core count Cpu like the 3700x.GreenReaper - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
Yeah. Now, if we're talking APUs, I can see the challenge to get a micro-system as fast as possible...but then, I'd wait until next year's are out, because what's the point without Zen 2?sor - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
You’re going from a 3.6-3.8ghz base to a 4.3ghz base. That’s significant. Now, if the argument is that most of the chips will do 4.2ghz anyway, well that’s the gamble you take in choosing pre-binned or not. You pay for the guarantee.leexgx - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
Normal All core boost is around 4-4.1ghz ,so extra 200mhz sometimes just does not seem worth it (some have got 4.5-4.6ghz all core boost )RSAUser - Saturday, August 17, 2019 - link
As Ieexgx said, normal is 4.05GHz all-core at the least, of the 3 friends who have it, they all state a 4.05-4.1GHz minimum.DigitalFreak - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
e-peenigordii - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
how to i have software tested on this systemyannigr2 - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
AMD's auto overclocking on the processors, makes this questionable, if we also consider that Ryzen CPUs don't overclock much more than that. For anyone not looking to break records, it is probably more logical to invest that extra money on a really good cooling system.ceisserer - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
so when you buy a regular (non-binned) CPU from those retailers, you get the gutter parts that didn't do the higher frequencies.hbsource - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
If it's non-binned then it's a lottery. By definition it's been binned if it's been tested to see what speeds it hits. Regardless of which bin it ends up in.sa666666 - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
It's a lottery where you now know that the chances of getting the best chip are no longer possible. IOW, their 'lottery' will be a lot worse than buying from someone who doesn't bin, since at least in the latter case there's a _chance_ to get one of the best CPUs. There's no chance in the former case, since they already been removed from selection.hbsource - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
You're wrong too. But nevermind.PeachNCream - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
How is that wrong? Reseller A and Reseller B each buy 100 chips. A sells all chips as marked by AMD. B sells binned chips. B will sort through its purchase and sell the cherry pick the best out of the 100, then sell the rest as marked by AMD. If you buy an unbinned CPU from reseller B, then you will are far less likely to get a "good" CPU as they have been harvested out of the supply. Whereas buying from Reseller A will give you a higher chance of getting a "good" processor since A does not spend the time to harvest the best of their order and sell it as such.hbsource - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
'Binned' Does not mean 'good'. The chips that don't overclock are still binned. They're just in the bad bin. The OP said non-binned chips will be bad. That's just wrong. Non-binned chips have unknown properties.PeachNCream - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
Ah, I see. You knew what the OP was talking about the all along and were being obtuse in order to reach a point where you would lawyer over wording. Well don't let me stop you. Have fun with that.Harry Lloyd - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
How is that even worth anything?leexgx - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
So you don't have to waste time and money (return them is not free or resell unwanted ones on ebay) buying multiple cpus to find a golden chip that can do high overclockevanh - Thursday, August 15, 2019 - link
Any Ryzen can have the base all-cores frequency raised to max boost (For the 3k range that's around 4.8 GHz) on two conditions:1: The CPU core voltage has to be locked down to base set voltage to prevent excessive heating.
2: Get a decent cooler! The stock coolers aren't built for more than a couple of cores going flat out.
pyro226 - Sunday, August 18, 2019 - link
While is true for Intel and it used to be true for Ryzen 1000 and 2000, that's no longer the case. The CCX dies are binned such that only a single core needs to be efficient enough to hit *near* the boost clock. The CCX with a strong core is then paired with a weaker CCX. This allows Ryzen to have strong single thread performance as well as fairly good multi-core for consumers. The two downsides to having only one strong core (for non-overclocked users) are increased power (shuffling workloads) and a slight hit to performance (mostly mitigated by the scheduler prioritizing stronger cores). AMD is potentially saving the best CCX dies for threadripper or higher binned parts if they need to better compete with Intel.https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-ryzen-300...
evanh - Sunday, August 18, 2019 - link
Tom's isn't saying anything new. All the cores have to be good for it to boost that fast at all. Just, as a collective, they're throttled to stay in a temperature range.Cap the voltage and boost the cooling, then you're good to go for the all-cores base to be set at max boost+XFR. The frequency is the same for all models of a generation. Which I believe is 4.8 GHz for the Zen2 chips.
Binning doesn't apply until above the top XFR frequency. Given the lack of info on those retailed "binned" parts I wouldn't be trusting my money on them delivering any extra value at all.
pyro226 - Sunday, August 18, 2019 - link
Toms was using a "beefy" Corsair H115i."All the cores have to be good for it to boost that fast at all."
That part hasn't changed. What has changed is that AMD is now only targeting one core to hit the full boost clock on consumer parts. On previous models, all cores could hit the boost clock.
Short of phase change cooling, you won't be able to overclock the 3700X/3900X to the 4.4 / 4.6ghz. When taxing AVX2, most aren't going to make it past 4.1 even with good cooling (per Silicone Lottery). For non-AVX, 4.2 to 4.3 is the highest overclock on water cooling.
evanh - Sunday, August 18, 2019 - link
The individual cores things sounds like a coolade story to me.The same physics is still there. Cap the voltage and you restrict the heating. Do that and it's a lot easier to control the temperature. Keep the temperature under control (70°C) with a better cooler and you can go right to XFR across all cores at once without needed any special binning.
I haven't seen any indication of the review sites even trying this though.
evanh - Sunday, August 18, 2019 - link
And capping the voltage also means much lower power needed from the regulators as well. A 350W power supply does the job fine.