Have the RM3. It supports developer mode (currently using it to speed up animations), but I didn't look into the bootloader. XDA have a small RM3 community that could answer that question.
Where i think Nvidia had it right, back in the days of the Tegra Note 7, was shipping with the ability to map a gamepad to any game. If its a gaming phone it needs this capability
I agree that taken in the context of the Black Shark 2 review, the Red Magic 3 looks considerably better in all aspects. It further detracts from any possible value the BS2 might offer.
I vaguely recall there was a lego-like phone project that allowed modular replacement of various sub-components, but it never made it into production. Like you, I agree that a larger battery would be a useful feature. I miss the days of removable back panels that could be replaced with a thicker/bigger panel to allow double or triple the battery capacity.
I think the real thing with a phone that has removable parts is that the interfaces just take up a lot of room that could be going to other things. When it comes down to have 2/3 or less of the battery capacity (at the same size phone) with a replaceable battery vs a non replaceable battery.
The future is streaming, even consoles in the living room are headed towards cloud streaming. With 5G and wifi everywhere on the horizon, its nuts to try to lug a highend SoC into the mobile arena.
If an Nvidia Shield TV with 3 GB RAM can do streaming no reason you need such a high end SoC for a streaming gaming phone. They could build a proper streaming gaming phone and have it with much better battery life and lower cost.
I used to do quite a bit of streaming via Steam from a desktop PC that I had running headless and crammed into a corner near my cheap ISP router. It was wired at 100mbit. The other end was an Atom n450 netbook running Linux on WiFi and its NIC topped out at 54mbit. It was pretty good for stuff like Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Latency was decent even when there was other usage of the local network for things like Youtube streaming or web surfing (the gaming desktop was the only thing not on wireless so phones and other laptops were being used by family members). I wouldn't want to play a twitchy shooter type thing over it, but for pretty much anything else it worked really well. I think in the intervening three or so years, things have probably gotten better but I can't test that since I no longer have a gaming PC, just some casual stuff that runs natively under Linux on my laptops. I haven't even had Steam installed in the last couple of years since entertainment is slowly shifting over to my phone these days. There just isn't much need for PC gaming or streaming between PCs.
Real 5G???? outside of sports stadiums, not going to happen. hell, it can't even get into a stick built house. you'll need a rooftop antenna to capture the signal. just watch. "Verizon uses a window or roof-mounted 28GHz antenna to grab the 5G signal, which is distributed via WiFi from a home router indoors." here: https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/verizons-fi...
IOW, Real 5G ends up being little different from phone pole fiber.
The OnePlus 7T has been announced: Basically a compromise between the 7 and 7 Pro with a 90Hz screen, tripple camera and somewhat bigger battery and *no curves* where dazzle isn't helping.
Has the anandtech staff or any owners here been able to get Carrier Aggregation working? From what I've heard, it's disabled on all non-Chinese models which is very disappointing to hear since the SD855 and its modem are well capable of it.
It's a bit of a dealbreaker and I'm thinking to sell my unit.
In the GPU performance charts, is there any way that you can include the maximum skin temperature on the phone? (no need to retest old phones). It does not matter if OnePlus 7 Pro has higher sustained performance if it gets significantly hotter. (Actually, it's a negative imo as I really don't like holding a hot phone)
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abufrejoval - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Nice to read that the fan can be turned off without any negative effect.Already wishing that rubber cases might actually cover that "dust pipe".
Is there any indication of the USB-C speed or if it supports display port alt mode?
Does the device support developer mode and an unlocked boot-loader?
tiwi1391 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Have the RM3. It supports developer mode (currently using it to speed up animations), but I didn't look into the bootloader. XDA have a small RM3 community that could answer that question.nerdydesi - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Yes, I've unlocked the bootloader, rooted my device and installed twrp. No custom roms yet though as far as I know.Wardrive86 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Where i think Nvidia had it right, back in the days of the Tegra Note 7, was shipping with the ability to map a gamepad to any game. If its a gaming phone it needs this capabilityXex360 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
We live in strange times, cheaper phones are the premium ones and expensive ones have less features and design flaws.PeachNCream - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
I agree that taken in the context of the Black Shark 2 review, the Red Magic 3 looks considerably better in all aspects. It further detracts from any possible value the BS2 might offer.Total Meltdowner - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
It's all the same crap. "gaming phone" is just a new marketing term.Release a phone with some INNOVATION. They are all the same and it's boring.
Try a 12000mAH battery
Maybe make the phone like a lego kit where you can continuously upgrade the pieces over time.
Anything to make your phone stand out from the others may be worth the risk.
PeachNCream - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
I vaguely recall there was a lego-like phone project that allowed modular replacement of various sub-components, but it never made it into production. Like you, I agree that a larger battery would be a useful feature. I miss the days of removable back panels that could be replaced with a thicker/bigger panel to allow double or triple the battery capacity.ingwe - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
I think the real thing with a phone that has removable parts is that the interfaces just take up a lot of room that could be going to other things. When it comes down to have 2/3 or less of the battery capacity (at the same size phone) with a replaceable battery vs a non replaceable battery.patel21 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Actually MOTO Z series was really innovative on this part, but I guess people didn't rewarded their LEGO-ability.stephenbrooks - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
The irony I've noticed is the higher-end the phone (or laptop) is, the faster the battery seems to drain. Presumably because of high-spec components.oRAirwolf - Saturday, September 28, 2019 - link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_AraEj24 - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Aradidn't pan out
webdoctors - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
The future is streaming, even consoles in the living room are headed towards cloud streaming. With 5G and wifi everywhere on the horizon, its nuts to try to lug a highend SoC into the mobile arena.If an Nvidia Shield TV with 3 GB RAM can do streaming no reason you need such a high end SoC for a streaming gaming phone. They could build a proper streaming gaming phone and have it with much better battery life and lower cost.
peevee - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Streaming sucks, streaming over wireless sucks more (hint: large and unpredictable latency).peevee - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Plus of course ongoing subscription costs.abufrejoval - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Streaming doesn't have to be from the cloud: Your gaming desktop in the next room might do just as well.I use that for kid's LAN parties, where I put notebooks on the dinnertable to avoid lugging the gaming towers to the "hot spot".
And yes, cables, even 100Mbit/s, beat WiFi any time of the day even for local streaming (e.g. Steam remote play).
Of course, a certain degree of masochism is required to game on a phone when you can have a proper screen (or simply younger eyes).
PeachNCream - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
I used to do quite a bit of streaming via Steam from a desktop PC that I had running headless and crammed into a corner near my cheap ISP router. It was wired at 100mbit. The other end was an Atom n450 netbook running Linux on WiFi and its NIC topped out at 54mbit. It was pretty good for stuff like Fallout 3 and Skyrim. Latency was decent even when there was other usage of the local network for things like Youtube streaming or web surfing (the gaming desktop was the only thing not on wireless so phones and other laptops were being used by family members). I wouldn't want to play a twitchy shooter type thing over it, but for pretty much anything else it worked really well. I think in the intervening three or so years, things have probably gotten better but I can't test that since I no longer have a gaming PC, just some casual stuff that runs natively under Linux on my laptops. I haven't even had Steam installed in the last couple of years since entertainment is slowly shifting over to my phone these days. There just isn't much need for PC gaming or streaming between PCs.FunBunny2 - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link
"With 5G and wifi everywhere on the horizon"Real 5G???? outside of sports stadiums, not going to happen. hell, it can't even get into a stick built house. you'll need a rooftop antenna to capture the signal. just watch.
"Verizon uses a window or roof-mounted 28GHz antenna to grab the 5G signal, which is distributed via WiFi from a home router indoors."
here: https://www.lightreading.com/mobile/5g/verizons-fi...
IOW, Real 5G ends up being little different from phone pole fiber.
peevee - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
You have missed the most important spec of a mobile phone - wireless protocols/frequencies supported.It is not an iPod after all.
abufrejoval - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
The OnePlus 7T has been announced: Basically a compromise between the 7 and 7 Pro with a 90Hz screen, tripple camera and somewhat bigger battery and *no curves* where dazzle isn't helping.nerdydesi - Friday, September 27, 2019 - link
Has the anandtech staff or any owners here been able to get Carrier Aggregation working? From what I've heard, it's disabled on all non-Chinese models which is very disappointing to hear since the SD855 and its modem are well capable of it.It's a bit of a dealbreaker and I'm thinking to sell my unit.
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In the GPU performance charts, is there any way that you can include the maximum skin temperature on the phone? (no need to retest old phones). It does not matter if OnePlus 7 Pro has higher sustained performance if it gets significantly hotter. (Actually, it's a negative imo as I really don't like holding a hot phone)Steve Waugh - Sunday, September 29, 2019 - link
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