I wonder how this company survives. For the almost 20 years I am in this industry, they've had some nice boards in the early 2000's but that's it. I never see them in stores, And online they are priced cheap withou a USP, but not dirt cheap. A bit like cheap asrock's. Why would anybody buy such an important part of their computer from an unknown brand? Or do they do this as side income next to producing for OEM's.
I believe they primarily produce for OEMS. But anyways, the motherboard is designed to spec to support all compatible processors. As long as you dont overclock its not like your CPU is gonna just disintegrate or something, mobo is arguably the least important component for the majority of builders.
I think what he meant is most motherboards are reference designs and few boards these days are actually "crap" you can't really go wrong with anything out there with an established name. Biostar is bottom of the food chain for sure, but they're not ECS or JetWay.
That said, they're not Asus or Supermicro either.
I'd consider a Biostar if it were free with a CPU like my last MSI board was (Microcenter was giving away free Z97 boards in the Haswell days, which made it a ridiculous value when you purchased a $90 G3258 and got a $90 board free. That said, the MSI board was indeed a pretty crappy Z97 board. Military-class it said, only to exhibit coil whine along with some severe early BIOS bugs that were eventually addressed.
And that's the name of the game here: support. Boards are all pretty good. Support isn't. This is where I think Asus and Supermicro go above and beyond. Asrock has terrible support in my experience. Haven't touched any Gigabyte products in over 10 years but back in the Athlon days their support was pretty terrible too, opting not to support new CPU's with BIOS updates.
It's funny if you think ASRock's board is cheap, you clearly haven't seen some of the low end ASUS / MSI boards with like 3-4 VRM. In fact in the same price range, ASRock/Gigabyte boards almost always come out on top.
Not sure on that one, Gigabyte firmware has been pretty suspect. ASRock firmware hasn't been too bad as far as I understand it but I'd hesitate before recommending Gigabyte.
What about the phase power design? Power chip manufacture?
Looks light on the power delivery system from just looking at it. Not sure I trust a 16core CPU on that board. But I am glad to see some mATX boards starting to come out.
While it's another vendor, I can tell you with absolute certainty that is not the case with the Gigabyte H110N. Couldn't even run an i7 7700k at stock settings (no OC), and even with turbo disabled, it still throttled the VRMs.
Yeah, I get that it was a bottom of the barrel junk board, but I would expect at least stock clocks to work.
Operandi, a board you can't overclock on is garbage? Seriously?
Most people don't overclock - especially people who use their computers for work as well as play. Reliability is more important for most people than overclocking. Especially because most processors can turbo anyway.
"a board you can't overclock on is garbage? Seriously?"
As a general statement no but a board using a high-end chipset marketed at the enthusiast market (Racing... lame AF marketing at that) that is unable to support overclocking because of its anemic VRM (poser "7" phase) is.
I would be surprised if this board didn't hold back PBO of a 12 or 16 core Ryzen 3000 let alone manual overclocking.
So an X570 board you aren't supposed to overlcock on? Seriously board manufactures need to stop making garbage like this.
Also there is no way this a true 7 phase VRM. 7 phases isn't a true number you'd ever reach off of any controller. I'm guessing its a 4 phases with 3 phases on the CPU section with doubled components (so 3 phases pretending to be 6) along with a single phase for SOC.
there is virtually no headroom to oveclock ryzens anyway , even the x variant. This board tho, no wifi built-in? thats a much wanted capability and to NOT include it shows that this is indeed Lowest of the low. Along with alc887 , almost mono sound LOL.
From the article: "The Biostar Racing X570GT is a compact AMD X570 platform that supports AMD’s 2nd and 3rd Gen Ryzen processors and features a seven-phase digital VRM to ensure their stable operation."
Ah the inevitable computer product model with the word "Racing" and the letters G, T, and X in it. If only the would replace that lovely little chipset fan with something that looks more like a steering wheel and then add more checkered flags, this would be perfect for all of those grade school aged children that make engine sounds with their mouths and shift gears as they drive their imaginary cars between other students in the hallway.
I wish board manufacturers would stop treating microATX boards for AMD as some sort of budget pity offering. This one is a particularly egregious example as the feature set is below par that of most B450 boards with the exception of PCIe 4.0 support. What the heck is the point of a X570 board with only 1 PCIe x16 slot? It makes it impossible to run more than one NVMe drive unless you have no GPU or use a riser to bifurcate the x16 slot, which is silly on a mATX platform. Also, you'd think they would equip an X570 board with something better than a Realtek NIC and bottom-of-the-barrel ALC887 audio chipset.
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Foeketijn - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
I wonder how this company survives. For the almost 20 years I am in this industry, they've had some nice boards in the early 2000's but that's it. I never see them in stores, And online they are priced cheap withou a USP, but not dirt cheap. A bit like cheap asrock's.Why would anybody buy such an important part of their computer from an unknown brand?
Or do they do this as side income next to producing for OEM's.
thesavvymage - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
I believe they primarily produce for OEMS. But anyways, the motherboard is designed to spec to support all compatible processors. As long as you dont overclock its not like your CPU is gonna just disintegrate or something, mobo is arguably the least important component for the majority of builders.svan1971 - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
excuse me WHAT ??? Next to the power supply and memory I'm not sure what could be more important for a stable build.Samus - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - link
I think what he meant is most motherboards are reference designs and few boards these days are actually "crap" you can't really go wrong with anything out there with an established name. Biostar is bottom of the food chain for sure, but they're not ECS or JetWay.That said, they're not Asus or Supermicro either.
I'd consider a Biostar if it were free with a CPU like my last MSI board was (Microcenter was giving away free Z97 boards in the Haswell days, which made it a ridiculous value when you purchased a $90 G3258 and got a $90 board free. That said, the MSI board was indeed a pretty crappy Z97 board. Military-class it said, only to exhibit coil whine along with some severe early BIOS bugs that were eventually addressed.
And that's the name of the game here: support. Boards are all pretty good. Support isn't. This is where I think Asus and Supermicro go above and beyond. Asrock has terrible support in my experience. Haven't touched any Gigabyte products in over 10 years but back in the Athlon days their support was pretty terrible too, opting not to support new CPU's with BIOS updates.
airdrifting - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
It's funny if you think ASRock's board is cheap, you clearly haven't seen some of the low end ASUS / MSI boards with like 3-4 VRM. In fact in the same price range, ASRock/Gigabyte boards almost always come out on top.lmcd - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Not sure on that one, Gigabyte firmware has been pretty suspect. ASRock firmware hasn't been too bad as far as I understand it but I'd hesitate before recommending Gigabyte.Samus - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - link
airdrifting, you've gotta be joking. ASRock is the bastard child of Asus. They're literally just cheap Asus boards with poor support.norazi - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
I think they are an OEM manufacturer like Foxconn... so their retail products are just a side gig.Marlin1975 - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
What about the phase power design? Power chip manufacture?Looks light on the power delivery system from just looking at it. Not sure I trust a 16core CPU on that board. But I am glad to see some mATX boards starting to come out.
Flunk - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Even the cheapest boards are designed to support all compatible processors at stock clocks. What you wouldn't want to use this for is overclocking.jeremyshaw - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
While it's another vendor, I can tell you with absolute certainty that is not the case with the Gigabyte H110N. Couldn't even run an i7 7700k at stock settings (no OC), and even with turbo disabled, it still throttled the VRMs.Yeah, I get that it was a bottom of the barrel junk board, but I would expect at least stock clocks to work.
Mikewind Dale - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Operandi, a board you can't overclock on is garbage? Seriously?Most people don't overclock - especially people who use their computers for work as well as play. Reliability is more important for most people than overclocking. Especially because most processors can turbo anyway.
jordanclock - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Yeah, overclocking isn't the only reason to get an X570 board. There's PCIe 4, more SATA ports, and USB ports supported natively,Operandi - Tuesday, August 6, 2019 - link
"a board you can't overclock on is garbage? Seriously?"As a general statement no but a board using a high-end chipset marketed at the enthusiast market (Racing... lame AF marketing at that) that is unable to support overclocking because of its anemic VRM (poser "7" phase) is.
I would be surprised if this board didn't hold back PBO of a 12 or 16 core Ryzen 3000 let alone manual overclocking.
Korguz - Wednesday, August 7, 2019 - link
and for the time being, its the only chipset for the 3000 series, maybe if their was a B570 type of chipset, this board would of used that instead ?Operandi - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
So an X570 board you aren't supposed to overlcock on? Seriously board manufactures need to stop making garbage like this.Also there is no way this a true 7 phase VRM. 7 phases isn't a true number you'd ever reach off of any controller. I'm guessing its a 4 phases with 3 phases on the CPU section with doubled components (so 3 phases pretending to be 6) along with a single phase for SOC.
MASSAMKULABOX - Saturday, August 10, 2019 - link
there is virtually no headroom to oveclock ryzens anyway , even the x variant. This board tho, no wifi built-in? thats a much wanted capability and to NOT include it shows that this is indeed Lowest of the low. Along with alc887 , almost mono sound LOL.evilspoons - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
From the article:"The Biostar Racing X570GT is a compact AMD X570 platform that supports AMD’s 2nd and 3rd Gen Ryzen processors and features a seven-phase digital VRM to ensure their stable operation."
PeachNCream - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Ah the inevitable computer product model with the word "Racing" and the letters G, T, and X in it. If only the would replace that lovely little chipset fan with something that looks more like a steering wheel and then add more checkered flags, this would be perfect for all of those grade school aged children that make engine sounds with their mouths and shift gears as they drive their imaginary cars between other students in the hallway.Duwelon - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
And a racing themed health/fan monitoring app that runs like crap, is 99% gaudy colorful racing themed UI and exactly 3 points of useful data.whitehat2k9 - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
I wish board manufacturers would stop treating microATX boards for AMD as some sort of budget pity offering. This one is a particularly egregious example as the feature set is below par that of most B450 boards with the exception of PCIe 4.0 support. What the heck is the point of a X570 board with only 1 PCIe x16 slot? It makes it impossible to run more than one NVMe drive unless you have no GPU or use a riser to bifurcate the x16 slot, which is silly on a mATX platform. Also, you'd think they would equip an X570 board with something better than a Realtek NIC and bottom-of-the-barrel ALC887 audio chipset.Mobile-Dom - Tuesday, August 6, 2019 - link
What pitiful I/O