I don't really get the idea that these are targeted at the workstation market segment. Despite the lack of RGB, they appear to be aimed at gaming and home computing.
There is a lot of "enthusiast workstations" around these days, as many more people get into video production and editing for YouTube etc at home. This is probably one target area for these.
Vengance is a consumer brand with low key styling (no extra tall heat sinks to cause clearance issues with big tower coolers, and no frag harder disco lights); they're not marketing this one to server/workstation customers.
Interesting to see if these 2•32Gb is better than 4•16Gb in daysy chain motherboard... I really like to have 64 of memory in my Computer again... feels nostalgig ;) commadore 64 again :)
Whichever has better overall timings and transfer rates will win, which looks like 4x16 at present.
All things equal 1 dimm/channel should have better timings than the same ram at 2 dimm/channel.
But in this case everything isn't equal. Corsair Vengeance 4x16 DDR4-3000 has 15-17-17-35 timings to the new 2x32 DDR4-3000 16-20-20-38 which is slightly slower. That's probably a combination of the chips higher capacities making the internal switching more complex and the chip physically larger on one hand, and 32Gb dram being a less mature product. The second half of this should improve over time.
16 GB dimms are also available in significantly faster data rates, although due to the need to relax internal timings within Ryzen 3 to go above DDR-3200(?); the really high transfer rate ram probably only actually gives a net advantage on Intel systems.
On the whole though, outside of ram benchmarks a few points on the timing isn't going to make a difference; I'd probably go with 2x32 to leave a cheaper and easier upgrade path to 4x32 in the future.
Price per GB doesn't seem to have dropped much over the last 5-7 years. It pales in comparison to the $/GB decline of SSDs. Why does DDR remain so expensive?
The stagnation definitely started around 2012, and today we are around 2012's price-per-GB. It's probably due to a number of factors, including industry consolidation, collusion (price fixing), disasters/accidents, change from DDR3 to DDR4, weak/uncertain PC demand, and greater demand elsewhere (smartphones and servers).
There had been periods of stagnation in previous decades, but this one is the worst and longest. If there had been no stagnation, we might be looking at $1/GB right now.
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UltraWide - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Wow! Prices have dropped significantly! I like it!Jansen - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
If they want to tap into the workstation market, they're going to need DIMMs with ECC.These will be much more viable when the speed hits 3200.
PeachNCream - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
I don't really get the idea that these are targeted at the workstation market segment. Despite the lack of RGB, they appear to be aimed at gaming and home computing.nandnandnand - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
All modules should have ECC. The denser they get, the more bit flips.boeush - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
++deil - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link
yup, I wonder what is the error rate comparing to the 4/8/16 per stick.I guess that's why we waited so long for 32 GB dies...
nevcairiel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
There is a lot of "enthusiast workstations" around these days, as many more people get into video production and editing for YouTube etc at home. This is probably one target area for these.PeachNCream - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case.DanNeely - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Vengance is a consumer brand with low key styling (no extra tall heat sinks to cause clearance issues with big tower coolers, and no frag harder disco lights); they're not marketing this one to server/workstation customers.rolfaalto - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
What MBs are qualified for 256GB? x299 with 9th gen CPUs?samerakhras - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Xeons that support 1TB of ECC memory can take 256GB non ECC memoryrolfaalto - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Corsair is claiming x299 compatibility. Tempted to buy some: https://www.corsair.com/uk/en/Categories/Products/...haukionkannel - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Interesting to see if these 2•32Gb is better than 4•16Gb in daysy chain motherboard... I really like to have 64 of memory in my Computer again... feels nostalgig ;) commadore 64 again :)DanNeely - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
Whichever has better overall timings and transfer rates will win, which looks like 4x16 at present.All things equal 1 dimm/channel should have better timings than the same ram at 2 dimm/channel.
But in this case everything isn't equal. Corsair Vengeance 4x16 DDR4-3000 has 15-17-17-35 timings to the new 2x32 DDR4-3000 16-20-20-38 which is slightly slower. That's probably a combination of the chips higher capacities making the internal switching more complex and the chip physically larger on one hand, and 32Gb dram being a less mature product. The second half of this should improve over time.
16 GB dimms are also available in significantly faster data rates, although due to the need to relax internal timings within Ryzen 3 to go above DDR-3200(?); the really high transfer rate ram probably only actually gives a net advantage on Intel systems.
On the whole though, outside of ram benchmarks a few points on the timing isn't going to make a difference; I'd probably go with 2x32 to leave a cheaper and easier upgrade path to 4x32 in the future.
brutuscat2 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
These are dual rank modules using 16Gb ICs.sonicmerlin - Saturday, July 20, 2019 - link
Price per GB doesn't seem to have dropped much over the last 5-7 years. It pales in comparison to the $/GB decline of SSDs. Why does DDR remain so expensive?nandnandnand - Sunday, July 21, 2019 - link
The stagnation definitely started around 2012, and today we are around 2012's price-per-GB. It's probably due to a number of factors, including industry consolidation, collusion (price fixing), disasters/accidents, change from DDR3 to DDR4, weak/uncertain PC demand, and greater demand elsewhere (smartphones and servers).There had been periods of stagnation in previous decades, but this one is the worst and longest. If there had been no stagnation, we might be looking at $1/GB right now.
https://jcmit.net/mem2015.htm
eldakka - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link
"Corsair historically relies on devices from Samsung)"That could be bad news for them if this Japan-S.Korea trade-war drags on for much longer.
aussetg - Monday, July 29, 2019 - link
I guess those are Samsung M-dies.