Why are titles of Anand articles hyperlinks ? And it redirects to the articles themselves. I like to select the text that I read and I almost always click the titles by mistake while doing it and the page refreshes. It's not convenient.
When you click the title of an article the page refreshes, it does't go to the start page. It's simply useless to me, or there is something that I don't understand.
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This keyboard might not suck if they didn't have the stupid design that connects both halves. Each half should have its own USB port that can be independently run to the computer. The right-half could just have a USB hub on it to let you connect it the way they designed, but allow you to disconnect and run any length of cable you want directly to the PC without having them tethered together.
This way, a gamer could just leave the right half completely out of the way without having to find some awkward place to shove it to while gaming.
It's not easy to keep the two halves perfectly in-sync timing wise. I've had split keyboards before that didn't always do it perfectly - and as a touch typist, that made them more or less worthless.
I use a pair of Freestyle Edges (non-RGB version) at home and work, and they are currently the best split mechanical keyboards available if you want a mostly standard key layout.
It looks like it comes with a better wrist rest than the original Freestyle Edge has. I wonder if it will be possible to purchase that separately? My adhesive foam wrist rests are looking pretty ratty at this point.
I don't know why they market it primarily as a gaming board.
The people who most commonly buy these boards are probably programmers, writers, etc., who want a split mechanical keyboard for typing. It's a lot of money to spend on a keyboard if all you really wanted to do with it is move half out of the way.
Something like this may finally convince me to retire my 17 year-old MS Natural Elite because I would really like a mechanical keyboard, but can't stand how cramped a traditional setup makes my wrists feel.
They added that after the original Freestyle Edge, so the Pro wasn't even an option when I signed up for the crowdfunding campaign several years ago. I'm not sure I'd want a keyboard that didn't have NKRO anyway though even for office use.
Also, curiously in terms of product positioning, they provide the choice of several switch options on the Edge - including the MX Blues, which is what I have - but not on the Pro. Since the blues are considered to be more oriented toward typing than gaming, it's odd to me that they didn't make them available for the Pro.
I want nkro for office use. I have some cheap Dell whatever keyboard, cause that's what the office gives us and many times I've type fast enough for it to not register. I feel it must be something stupid low like 2kro.
Sure you can probably try to find something like a 6kro to suit my office needs, but not like anyone advertises such. So easier to just find an nkro keyboard. Been contemplating purchasing my own keyboard for office use.
"And for people who are accustomed to pressing keys with the hand that now sits on the other half of the keyboard, it might take days, even weeks before your 'muscle memory' fully catches up with how the keyboard works."
And yet they still didn't duplicate the B and Y keys. I don't get it, I really don't. I've used split keyboards with this layout before and I swear they're worse for you than a regular QWERTY layout. I guess if you've learned to type "properly", they're an improvement, but...
@Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer I agree. I get "Y" with my right hand 99% of the time but "B" about 50/50 left/right. When b follows anything else typed with the left index finger it'd be inefficient to type b with the same finger.
I'm not certain what percentage of the time I type "Y" with my left hand but it's approaching 100%. I think that I might use my right hand for the "Y" in "You", because I can hit shift with my left pinky and type all three letters with my right hand, which feels more efficient to me.
I used a split keyboard for a data entry job (it was forced on me, basically), and rather than relearn, I just made a whole slew of Word auto-replacements; the example which springs immediately to mind is "prettt" -> "pretty".
Maybe it's just me, but this review is so positive it reads like a paid advertisement. To the point I was looking for clues or comments thinking the same. As I didn't see any, maybe I've just developed review trust issues lol.
hi Ryan. since we are talking keyboards, what would you think of reviewing an "office" one? I love gaming and high-end reviews, but spend most of my online time writing things at office - where it is the company who decides what to purchase.
recently I discovered Dell KB522, which is cheap, silent, has a couple programable keys (directly on regedit, no fancy software/driver), and also a couple extra USB ports (think mouse and headphone), all with a really familiar layout. for me, it is amazing for office usage, but I would love to read more "corporate reviews" if at all possible.
Hmm. I completely understand why you'd want to see such a review. But to be honest, it probably wouldn't be worth our time. High-end keyboards do as well as they do because of the window shopping effect; but history indicates that there's probably not much reader demand (i.e. traffic) in reviewing budget Dell keyboards.
I'm literally typing on one of these right now and I never noticed the extra USB ports until you mentioned them. It has, or rather it started off having what I considered to be a decent key feel for a membrane keyboard, but I have recently found that some of the keys are getting squeaky after less than a year of use, which is disappointing. Call me a mechanical keyboard snob if you must, but a Cherry MX-based keyboard wouldn't be doing that.
Other than the longevity issue, I doubt I have much to add that you don't already know from your own experience. It's head and shoulders above the newer, flat-topped chiclet-style Dell keyboard that came after it (which I have only briefly had the "privilege" of using), which is listed on Amazon as the KB216 (but I think there are a few different, similar models).
It's also superior to its contemporary non-multimedia keyboard, the KB212-B, because that keyboard has switches that wear rather quickly and require harder and harder presses to register. Again, not a problem with any mechanical switch worth its salt.
I believe that the older Dell keyboards with the full-sized keycaps were better than the KB522, but since I never had a brand new one sitting in front of me to break in, I can't provide a direct comparison. Eventually they wore down, too, with squeaky, hard-to-press keys, but I've used ones that were old to the point where some of the more heavily-used keys had smooth, shiny caps, legends long since completely obliterated, but the board was still usable.
The older non-RGB Kinesis Freestyle Edge is actually what I use as my office keyboard. If you were one of those people who liked/used the MS split keyboards, and don't want to switch to a more exotic layout, but wished they made a mechanical version - this is where you end up.
I participated in the Kickstarter, and have been using two of them since launch. Haven't had any issues so far, which is more than can be said for most of the split mechanical keyboards I tried in the past.
I actually also owned a Kinesis Maxim before this, which was a similar keyboard, but the two halves were tied together, and the keys were rubber-domes.
Another plus if you're coming from a MS board, is that the Kinesis puts the 6 on the left side, just like the MS. Some split boards have it on the right.
If you go for it, the lift kit is a must, and if your desk surface is smooth, you'll want to get one of those big mouse-pad-material mats to put the keyboard on to keep the halves from sliding around slightly during use.
One thing that takes some time to get used to is that there are other keys immediately to the right and left of your typing keys. For example, I found when I first started using it, that I had a tendency when not typing to locate the "Enter" key by feel from the right edge of the board. Well, on this board, that's not the Enter key right there at the edge - it's PgUp. So I remapped the navigation keys to the left side of the board as a workaround.
Ah yes, I think that's the natural progression: normal keyboard => ergonomic MS one => getting tired of replacing them once a year or more often => need good mechanical ergonomic keyboard.
I'm on my third Advantage - one at work, one at home, one to use while on vacation. The one I use at work was my first one, and it is over 20 years old. It took me maybe an hour or two to get used to it. The only down side, which I think is shared with the Freestyle, is that it's hard to use one-handed, such as when you have a coffee cup in the other hand. I use the Dvorak layout, which took me a half day to be comfortable with, and this makes one-handed typing even harder. I suppose the one-handed Dvorak layout would fix this, but it's easier to just put down the coffee cup. :-)
I typically never use the number pad, so I actually appreciate that it doesn't have one. But keeping in the spirit of a split keyboard, you can buy a separate mechanical number pad.
Yeah, overall it's a big investment to get everything you need - and I don't know that it's worth it if all you're actually going to do with it is gaming - but if you have an IT/programming job for example, I think you could do a lot worse in terms of dollars spent vs. the hours of use you'll get out of it.
It appears that the author did not attempt to use this keyboard on macOS.
I bought the Freestyle Edge and nearly had to return it due to the non-standard spacebar and modifier key layout, specifically on the left hand. If you try to use the "alt" or "win" keys as your "cmd" key on macOS, you fill quickly find your thumb and and wrist in a decent amount of pain due to the contorsion necessary to press these keys with your thumb.
Are there people out there that do not use their thumb to press the left hand modifier keys?
Anyway, I was able to resolve the issue by remapping the left spacebar to "cmd". It turns out that I am exclusively a right handed space bar user, so no adjustment was necessary. I wager that most Windows users do not run into this issue because they use their pinky to access the more common "crtl" based shortcuts on Windows.
I was all for this keyboard until I saw the price :(
Despite the fact that I use it literally for hours every day I have an aversion to spending a lot of money on a keyboard. So I'm just going to stick with my Logitech g413 carbon which I bought for about 40 quid last year
> I was all for this keyboard until I saw the price :(
The original was the exact same price, so it's kinda nice that they didn't levy a premium for the upgraded model. And compared to RGB crap like the Corsair K95 which is $200, this keyboard offers far more value for money.
But yes, $220 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a keyboard. I'm not saying it's not worth it, but if Kinesis could get the price to under the psychological $200 mark, they'd sell a lot more of these.
If I didn't already have a mechanical keyboard I might be more tempted. Its harder to make the argument that its okay to pay that much more than a membrane because it last so long when you keep buying new ones.
I've been waiting for over a year to purchase this keyboard, but they still didn't release an european layout and seems like they will continue this way, shame.
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halikarnas - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
Why are titles of Anand articles hyperlinks ? And it redirects to the articles themselves. I like to select the text that I read and I almost always click the titles by mistake while doing it and the page refreshes. It's not convenient.GreenReaper - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
So that you can copy the link and/or go back to the start page in one click, I guess?halikarnas - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
When you click the title of an article the page refreshes, it does't go to the start page. It's simply useless to me, or there is something that I don't understand.Calista - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
Well, it does bring you to the first page of the article. But yes, I agree. I would much rather have it be plain text.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
This was the idea behind it, yes.vanilla_gorilla - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
I thought I was the only one. This bugs me, too.waja - Tuesday, July 23, 2019 - link
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This keyboard might not suck if they didn't have the stupid design that connects both halves. Each half should have its own USB port that can be independently run to the computer. The right-half could just have a USB hub on it to let you connect it the way they designed, but allow you to disconnect and run any length of cable you want directly to the PC without having them tethered together.This way, a gamer could just leave the right half completely out of the way without having to find some awkward place to shove it to while gaming.
snowmyr - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
Yeah. I can't stand any keyboard that doesn't let me get rid of the right half of it when gaming. God they suck.Midwayman - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
Where are you going to put your beer, right?twtech - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
It's not easy to keep the two halves perfectly in-sync timing wise. I've had split keyboards before that didn't always do it perfectly - and as a touch typist, that made them more or less worthless.I use a pair of Freestyle Edges (non-RGB version) at home and work, and they are currently the best split mechanical keyboards available if you want a mostly standard key layout.
twtech - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
It looks like it comes with a better wrist rest than the original Freestyle Edge has. I wonder if it will be possible to purchase that separately? My adhesive foam wrist rests are looking pretty ratty at this point.EJ42 - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
That doesn't make any sense. It looks like it's trying to be one of these, but only worse:https://www.gearbest.com/keyboards/pp_009728714357...
If you're going to do something, don't half-ass it.
twtech - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
I don't know why they market it primarily as a gaming board.The people who most commonly buy these boards are probably programmers, writers, etc., who want a split mechanical keyboard for typing. It's a lot of money to spend on a keyboard if all you really wanted to do with it is move half out of the way.
Powerlurker - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
Because they already make a cheaper office-targeted version that doesn't have the RGB or gaming features like NKRO and game mode: https://kinesis-ergo.com/products/#freestyle-proSomething like this may finally convince me to retire my 17 year-old MS Natural Elite because I would really like a mechanical keyboard, but can't stand how cramped a traditional setup makes my wrists feel.
twtech - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
They added that after the original Freestyle Edge, so the Pro wasn't even an option when I signed up for the crowdfunding campaign several years ago. I'm not sure I'd want a keyboard that didn't have NKRO anyway though even for office use.Also, curiously in terms of product positioning, they provide the choice of several switch options on the Edge - including the MX Blues, which is what I have - but not on the Pro. Since the blues are considered to be more oriented toward typing than gaming, it's odd to me that they didn't make them available for the Pro.
khanikun - Friday, July 26, 2019 - link
I want nkro for office use. I have some cheap Dell whatever keyboard, cause that's what the office gives us and many times I've type fast enough for it to not register. I feel it must be something stupid low like 2kro.Sure you can probably try to find something like a 6kro to suit my office needs, but not like anyone advertises such. So easier to just find an nkro keyboard. Been contemplating purchasing my own keyboard for office use.
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
"And for people who are accustomed to pressing keys with the hand that now sits on the other half of the keyboard, it might take days, even weeks before your 'muscle memory' fully catches up with how the keyboard works."And yet they still didn't duplicate the B and Y keys. I don't get it, I really don't. I've used split keyboards with this layout before and I swear they're worse for you than a regular QWERTY layout. I guess if you've learned to type "properly", they're an improvement, but...
purerice - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
@Old_Fogie_Late_BloomerI agree. I get "Y" with my right hand 99% of the time but "B" about 50/50 left/right. When b follows anything else typed with the left index finger it'd be inefficient to type b with the same finger.
Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
I'm not certain what percentage of the time I type "Y" with my left hand but it's approaching 100%. I think that I might use my right hand for the "Y" in "You", because I can hit shift with my left pinky and type all three letters with my right hand, which feels more efficient to me.I used a split keyboard for a data entry job (it was forced on me, basically), and rather than relearn, I just made a whole slew of Word auto-replacements; the example which springs immediately to mind is "prettt" -> "pretty".
bldr - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
Maybe it's just me, but this review is so positive it reads like a paid advertisement. To the point I was looking for clues or comments thinking the same. As I didn't see any, maybe I've just developed review trust issues lol.Ryan Smith - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
To be sure, it's not a paid review. E. just really, really liked it. I'm pretty sure he's found his perfect keyboard.marc1000 - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
hi Ryan. since we are talking keyboards, what would you think of reviewing an "office" one? I love gaming and high-end reviews, but spend most of my online time writing things at office - where it is the company who decides what to purchase.recently I discovered Dell KB522, which is cheap, silent, has a couple programable keys (directly on regedit, no fancy software/driver), and also a couple extra USB ports (think mouse and headphone), all with a really familiar layout. for me, it is amazing for office usage, but I would love to read more "corporate reviews" if at all possible.
https://www.dell.com/en-us/shop/accessories/apd/33...
DanNeely - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Any keyboard reviewer is going to hate it. They're all mechanical keyboard snobs and sneer at membrane designs.Ryan Smith - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Hmm. I completely understand why you'd want to see such a review. But to be honest, it probably wouldn't be worth our time. High-end keyboards do as well as they do because of the window shopping effect; but history indicates that there's probably not much reader demand (i.e. traffic) in reviewing budget Dell keyboards.mode_13h - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
High-end keyboards? Did you see my post about the Advantage 2, below?Old_Fogie_Late_Bloomer - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
I'm literally typing on one of these right now and I never noticed the extra USB ports until you mentioned them. It has, or rather it started off having what I considered to be a decent key feel for a membrane keyboard, but I have recently found that some of the keys are getting squeaky after less than a year of use, which is disappointing. Call me a mechanical keyboard snob if you must, but a Cherry MX-based keyboard wouldn't be doing that.Other than the longevity issue, I doubt I have much to add that you don't already know from your own experience. It's head and shoulders above the newer, flat-topped chiclet-style Dell keyboard that came after it (which I have only briefly had the "privilege" of using), which is listed on Amazon as the KB216 (but I think there are a few different, similar models).
It's also superior to its contemporary non-multimedia keyboard, the KB212-B, because that keyboard has switches that wear rather quickly and require harder and harder presses to register. Again, not a problem with any mechanical switch worth its salt.
I believe that the older Dell keyboards with the full-sized keycaps were better than the KB522, but since I never had a brand new one sitting in front of me to break in, I can't provide a direct comparison. Eventually they wore down, too, with squeaky, hard-to-press keys, but I've used ones that were old to the point where some of the more heavily-used keys had smooth, shiny caps, legends long since completely obliterated, but the board was still usable.
twtech - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
The older non-RGB Kinesis Freestyle Edge is actually what I use as my office keyboard. If you were one of those people who liked/used the MS split keyboards, and don't want to switch to a more exotic layout, but wished they made a mechanical version - this is where you end up.I participated in the Kickstarter, and have been using two of them since launch. Haven't had any issues so far, which is more than can be said for most of the split mechanical keyboards I tried in the past.
I actually also owned a Kinesis Maxim before this, which was a similar keyboard, but the two halves were tied together, and the keys were rubber-domes.
Powerlurker - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
Owner/user of a 17-year-old MS Natural Elite and that's exactly why I kinda want one of these.twtech - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
Another plus if you're coming from a MS board, is that the Kinesis puts the 6 on the left side, just like the MS. Some split boards have it on the right.If you go for it, the lift kit is a must, and if your desk surface is smooth, you'll want to get one of those big mouse-pad-material mats to put the keyboard on to keep the halves from sliding around slightly during use.
One thing that takes some time to get used to is that there are other keys immediately to the right and left of your typing keys. For example, I found when I first started using it, that I had a tendency when not typing to locate the "Enter" key by feel from the right edge of the board. Well, on this board, that's not the Enter key right there at the edge - it's PgUp. So I remapped the navigation keys to the left side of the board as a workaround.
Voo - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link
Ah yes, I think that's the natural progression: normal keyboard => ergonomic MS one => getting tired of replacing them once a year or more often => need good mechanical ergonomic keyboard.bldr - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
That's a rare feeling! The response is appreciated :) thank you Ryanmode_13h - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Talking about Kinesis keyboards as an ergonomic masterpiece should only be done in reference to their Advantage series.https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/advantage2/
Not recommended for gaming, due to the weird layout, but there's no better comfort or efficiency for serious typing.
parmand - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Man, I love my advantage for gaming. Sure, I have to rebind all my keys, but it works great.Ktracho - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link
I'm on my third Advantage - one at work, one at home, one to use while on vacation. The one I use at work was my first one, and it is over 20 years old. It took me maybe an hour or two to get used to it. The only down side, which I think is shared with the Freestyle, is that it's hard to use one-handed, such as when you have a coffee cup in the other hand. I use the Dvorak layout, which took me a half day to be comfortable with, and this makes one-handed typing even harder. I suppose the one-handed Dvorak layout would fix this, but it's easier to just put down the coffee cup. :-)kmo12345 - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Damn... I just upgraded from a Freestyle2 (non mechanical and no backlights) two months ago...BenSkywalker - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
So close to perfect, but deal breaking no number pad, meh....twtech - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
I typically never use the number pad, so I actually appreciate that it doesn't have one. But keeping in the spirit of a split keyboard, you can buy a separate mechanical number pad.https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/mechanical-keypad-fo...
Yeah, overall it's a big investment to get everything you need - and I don't know that it's worth it if all you're actually going to do with it is gaming - but if you have an IT/programming job for example, I think you could do a lot worse in terms of dollars spent vs. the hours of use you'll get out of it.
The_Assimilator - Monday, July 22, 2019 - link
No. Numpad must die. It is nothing more than a waste of space.jjthejetphan - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
It appears that the author did not attempt to use this keyboard on macOS.I bought the Freestyle Edge and nearly had to return it due to the non-standard spacebar and modifier key layout, specifically on the left hand. If you try to use the "alt" or "win" keys as your "cmd" key on macOS, you fill quickly find your thumb and and wrist in a decent amount of pain due to the contorsion necessary to press these keys with your thumb.
Are there people out there that do not use their thumb to press the left hand modifier keys?
Anyway, I was able to resolve the issue by remapping the left spacebar to "cmd". It turns out that I am exclusively a right handed space bar user, so no adjustment was necessary. I wager that most Windows users do not run into this issue because they use their pinky to access the more common "crtl" based shortcuts on Windows.
whatever223 - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
I use an Edge with a Mac and find the Alt key is in the same place as Left Command on a standard keyboard, That leaves the windows key to be 'Mac Alt'AshlayW - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
I was all for this keyboard until I saw the price :(Despite the fact that I use it literally for hours every day I have an aversion to spending a lot of money on a keyboard. So I'm just going to stick with my Logitech g413 carbon which I bought for about 40 quid last year
The_Assimilator - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
> I was all for this keyboard until I saw the price :(The original was the exact same price, so it's kinda nice that they didn't levy a premium for the upgraded model. And compared to RGB crap like the Corsair K95 which is $200, this keyboard offers far more value for money.
But yes, $220 is a hell of a lot of money to pay for a keyboard. I'm not saying it's not worth it, but if Kinesis could get the price to under the psychological $200 mark, they'd sell a lot more of these.
Powerlurker - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
They sell the office-oriented version for $180: https://kinesis-ergo.com/shop/freestyle-pro/Midwayman - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
If I didn't already have a mechanical keyboard I might be more tempted. Its harder to make the argument that its okay to pay that much more than a membrane because it last so long when you keep buying new ones.DrKersh - Thursday, July 18, 2019 - link
I've been waiting for over a year to purchase this keyboard, but they still didn't release an european layout and seems like they will continue this way, shame.Ronn91 - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
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whatever223 - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
It's annoying that they put the '6' key on the left hand on the edge but the right hand for the fancier advantage keyboard.whatever223 - Wednesday, August 14, 2019 - link
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