I want one, too, but we're a tiny niche. If even Apple couldn't find a way to make OLED monitors palatable at their price points, I think we're a half decade away, at least.
Dell promised and never delivered three years ago. CES 2017: never forget.
Sure, just like people claimed you'd need a new plasma TV every couple years. Mine is still going strong to this day, and it's probably about a decade old (would have to look at the manufacturer sticker).
I dont deny that a lot of people are so blind that they cant see burn in problems. However, the issue with plasmas was only at the very beginning and would only occur when the TV was new and treated wrong (lots of static pictures). They solved the burn in issues. OLED hasnt. Period.
@ikjadoon : I agree, sooo wish to see OLED display replace LCD everywhere : it would be nice to have tablet (iPad), 2-in-one computee (Microsoft Surface), laptop (Huawei Matebook X Pro), monitor...
Ideally (ultimately) it should be flexible plastic OLED displays because they are lighter and thinner like the one in Samsung Galaxy S10+ but much larger size...
But there is likely a need of at least Gen 8.5 / Gen 10.5 flexible plastic OLED production fabs to see very large plastic OLED panels at a « reasonable » price, but as of 2019, to my knowledge, there isn’t any fab bigger than Gen6 for flexible plastic OLED, indeed we are still unfortunately at least 5 to 10 years away from such dream to materialize 😞...
I'd say more like 2.5 million. Many people own 4K monitors. I myself own 2x27" 4k HDR monitors. I purchased them both for $250/each brand new at a flash sale. I would likely buy an OLED 4k monitor as well. However OLED tech costs quite a bit more than your average IPS monitor.
Actually Dell did, but that monitor was short-lived due to how prohibit it was to manufacture at large-scale among other reasons. They are releasing the 55inch OLED 4K@120hz full HDMI 2.1 monitor (w/ HDR + VRR) w/ G-Sync & Dolby Vision likely using their Alienware white label. That monitor on release in Q4 will be the best gaming monitor ever.
They were smart to wait for HDMI 2.1 + Displayport to maximize doing the QA overhead & etc to have a 4K@120hz 0.1ms monitor.
Except that is not really a thing for normal users. It only became a "issue" when business or company ran the same channel or display 24/7. I only buy OLED TV and never a issue myself.
PC monitors are far more susceptible to this then TVs. The task bar, for example, or even windowo decorations that are commonly in the same spot.
But also when gaming a lot on the TV with a console. Its somethign you absolutely need to be aware of when owning an OLED. It might not be a problem, but it could be, hence knowing helps to avoid it.
I know you think you're serious with your color fade burn-in comment, but generally speaking, people aren't likely to hold on to their TV for 15 years... and likely not much more than 5.
People dump their $3k / 75" TVs every 2-3 years? Uh... ?
I still have my Samsung DLP (LED driven) rear projection from 2007. Yes, 2007. It's 12 years old. I have only had to replace the DLP chip in it. The LEDs are still going strong and the picture is still the best 1080p you can buy outside of a 1080p LED DLP projector. It is "smart" with it's serial interface controlled by my HTPC. One remote for everything.
For computer monitors, the limited life of OLEDs with the variable colour shift with age is a problem - good monitors are often used for 10 years or more. The 5 year (or less) life before visible colour artifacts on OLED monitors effectively increases their price. (Computer monitor OLED displays age faster than OLED TVs due to them having more static content than TVs.)
"LGD’s new 8.5G (2200×2500) OLED factory in Guangzhou will produce 60,000 substrates for large TVs per month, which will almost double output of the company’s OLED substrates to 130,000 per month. Eventually, the plant will be expanded with the second line and will increase its capacity to 90,000 substrates per month."
Increase capacity from 60k to 130k then to 90k? Am I reading wrongly?
It could be worded better. Currently they're making 70k per month. The new factory will add 60k/mo for a total of 130k/mo. Eventually they plan to upgrade the new factory to 90k/mo which will lift the company wide total to 160/mo.
I'll believe this when I see it. A companies main aim is to make $$$$. 'IF' sales of standard televisions are falling... then and only then will OLED be pushed as a replacement for that standard. Repeat forever.
It doesn't have to be sales are falling it could be that for OLED the higher (relative to LCD) leads to a point where supply exceeds demand. The market for $2K+ HDTVs is relatively niche. So higher supply could eventually lead to a place where OLED TV are priced lower in order to expand demand.
Lol at the people bragging about their decade old TVs and projectors still going strong. Obviously dont have a clue about developments in hdr/wcg hardware and content. Not that oled wldnt cream your plasma and projector in SDR as well.
Show me where I was bragging. Also note that I clearly mentioned it was a 1080p set and I was comparing it to other 1080p sets. I'm well aware of 4k/HDR technology as I said "bring on the Micro LED sets..."
There's not enough 4k content to make me want to spend $3k+ on a new TV set. Even with the 4k content available the only way to legally play it is to have a 4k device (4k Chromecast, 4k blu-ray player, or Windows 10 + latest Intel CPU). I run Linux on everything and I only have 1080p Chromecasts and a 1080p blu-ray player. Not really looking forward to 4k since it's DRM'd all to hell.
Hey they bought it and they think it's good,despite ignoring obvious advancements in picture quality and color gamut, and they're saving money by not buying a new one so they're smarter than you.
interesting, viewed a powerpoint presentation, about 2 years ago that stated that in 3 years (or 2020-2021) 70 inch OLED’s will be the same price as 65” premium IPS (LED) TV’s... (was about “ink-jet” printing of OLED’s) so it seems that prediction is true, and the OLED’s will be “cheaper”... of course, that is If the tariffs (hidden tax) does not eat up all of the savings...
Got my LG OLED B8 for $1150 this year. Absolutely love it as the colors are and level of detail are out of this world. I am NOT a TV person, i'd watch a few episodes a week on Netflix, but since getting this I've been absolutely fascinated by all those 4K Atmos Vision nature series (BBC i'm looking at u!) and thoroughly appreciating the graphical detail of CGI in movies/series.
It's like playing a game at max settings with a GTX 2080, as opposed to playing that same game with low settings with a GTX 1050. World of difference!
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Dug - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Hey LG. Make a 32" 4k OLED monitor.ikjadoon - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Only if you and 25k people buy one every year. 😂I want one, too, but we're a tiny niche. If even Apple couldn't find a way to make OLED monitors palatable at their price points, I think we're a half decade away, at least.
Dell promised and never delivered three years ago. CES 2017: never forget.
ikjadoon - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
*CES 2016RIP, Dell UP3017Q, the 30" 4K OLED. We hardly knew ye.
Beaver M. - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Shouldnt be a problem. People would need a new one after 1 or 2 years.Ka-Ching $$$
eek2121 - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Sure, just like people claimed you'd need a new plasma TV every couple years. Mine is still going strong to this day, and it's probably about a decade old (would have to look at the manufacturer sticker).Beaver M. - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
I dont deny that a lot of people are so blind that they cant see burn in problems.However, the issue with plasmas was only at the very beginning and would only occur when the TV was new and treated wrong (lots of static pictures). They solved the burn in issues. OLED hasnt. Period.
Beaver M. - Wednesday, July 17, 2019 - link
Oh and also were talking about monitors. There never was a plasma monitor.Diogene7 - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
@ikjadoon : I agree, sooo wish to see OLED display replace LCD everywhere : it would be nice to have tablet (iPad), 2-in-one computee (Microsoft Surface), laptop (Huawei Matebook X Pro), monitor...Ideally (ultimately) it should be flexible plastic OLED displays because they are lighter and thinner like the one in Samsung Galaxy S10+ but much larger size...
But there is likely a need of at least Gen 8.5 / Gen 10.5 flexible plastic OLED production fabs to see very large plastic OLED panels at a « reasonable » price, but as of 2019, to my knowledge, there isn’t any fab bigger than Gen6 for flexible plastic OLED, indeed we are still unfortunately at least 5 to 10 years away from such dream to materialize 😞...
eek2121 - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
I'd say more like 2.5 million. Many people own 4K monitors. I myself own 2x27" 4k HDR monitors. I purchased them both for $250/each brand new at a flash sale. I would likely buy an OLED 4k monitor as well. However OLED tech costs quite a bit more than your average IPS monitor.notashill - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Dell did deliver them though. They didn't deliver a lot of them but they do exist, you can even find them on ebay below MSRP.lilkwarrior - Saturday, July 13, 2019 - link
It's going to be interesting when they release their 4K@120hz OLED monitor in Q4. I'm ordering one immediately without a doubt!FreckledTrout - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Dell actually did make an OLED monitor but it was expensive and nobody bought it. When the costs come down we will see OLED monitors.lilkwarrior - Saturday, July 13, 2019 - link
Actually Dell did, but that monitor was short-lived due to how prohibit it was to manufacture at large-scale among other reasons. They are releasing the 55inch OLED 4K@120hz full HDMI 2.1 monitor (w/ HDR + VRR) w/ G-Sync & Dolby Vision likely using their Alienware white label. That monitor on release in Q4 will be the best gaming monitor ever.They were smart to wait for HDMI 2.1 + Displayport to maximize doing the QA overhead & etc to have a 4K@120hz 0.1ms monitor.
Lolimaster - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Given the technology, you should wait for microLED monitors and before that VA monitors with miniLED backlight so you can have 2000-5000 zones.Hisense approach with a polarized LCD layer to their panels acting as a dimming zone seems the cheapest way for "inky blacks".
FreckledTrout - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
MiniLED with the 1000+ backlight zones should be pretty damn good if paired with a high quality panel..longhill - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
I'd rather have a 36-38" 4k OLED monitor. 32" is too small for running at native resolution.chuyayala - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
This would definitely be the sweet spotAlistair - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
you don't need to worry about native resolution honestly, it only affects windows, not scalable programs...mooninite - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Nice, but color fade will always be a problem. A.K.A. "burn-in"Bring on the Micro-LED sets...
imaheadcase - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Except that is not really a thing for normal users. It only became a "issue" when business or company ran the same channel or display 24/7. I only buy OLED TV and never a issue myself.nevcairiel - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
PC monitors are far more susceptible to this then TVs. The task bar, for example, or even windowo decorations that are commonly in the same spot.But also when gaming a lot on the TV with a console. Its somethign you absolutely need to be aware of when owning an OLED. It might not be a problem, but it could be, hence knowing helps to avoid it.
cjcox - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
I know you think you're serious with your color fade burn-in comment, but generally speaking, people aren't likely to hold on to their TV for 15 years... and likely not much more than 5.mooninite - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
People dump their $3k / 75" TVs every 2-3 years? Uh... ?I still have my Samsung DLP (LED driven) rear projection from 2007. Yes, 2007. It's 12 years old. I have only had to replace the DLP chip in it. The LEDs are still going strong and the picture is still the best 1080p you can buy outside of a 1080p LED DLP projector. It is "smart" with it's serial interface controlled by my HTPC. One remote for everything.
oRAirwolf - Saturday, July 13, 2019 - link
You know you can buy 1080p LG OLED TVs right? You seriously think a DLP television produces a better picture than that?Zoolook13 - Friday, August 16, 2019 - link
LG doesn't make 1080p OLED panels anymore afaik, only 4K, would have to be a used one.RSAUser - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
My TV is from 2010, still looks pretty good, was a flagship at the time. Don't think I'll be upgrading any time soon either.Duncan Macdonald - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
For computer monitors, the limited life of OLEDs with the variable colour shift with age is a problem - good monitors are often used for 10 years or more. The 5 year (or less) life before visible colour artifacts on OLED monitors effectively increases their price.(Computer monitor OLED displays age faster than OLED TVs due to them having more static content than TVs.)
0iron - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
"LGD’s new 8.5G (2200×2500) OLED factory in Guangzhou will produce 60,000 substrates for large TVs per month, which will almost double output of the company’s OLED substrates to 130,000 per month. Eventually, the plant will be expanded with the second line and will increase its capacity to 90,000 substrates per month."Increase capacity from 60k to 130k then to 90k? Am I reading wrongly?
DanNeely - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
It could be worded better. Currently they're making 70k per month. The new factory will add 60k/mo for a total of 130k/mo. Eventually they plan to upgrade the new factory to 90k/mo which will lift the company wide total to 160/mo.damianrobertjones - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
" therefore OLED TVs cheaper"I'll believe this when I see it. A companies main aim is to make $$$$. 'IF' sales of standard televisions are falling... then and only then will OLED be pushed as a replacement for that standard. Repeat forever.
TheUnhandledException - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
It doesn't have to be sales are falling it could be that for OLED the higher (relative to LCD) leads to a point where supply exceeds demand. The market for $2K+ HDTVs is relatively niche. So higher supply could eventually lead to a place where OLED TV are priced lower in order to expand demand.Lau_Tech - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
Lol at the people bragging about their decade old TVs and projectors still going strong. Obviously dont have a clue about developments in hdr/wcg hardware and content. Not that oled wldnt cream your plasma and projector in SDR as well.mooninite - Saturday, July 13, 2019 - link
Show me where I was bragging. Also note that I clearly mentioned it was a 1080p set and I was comparing it to other 1080p sets. I'm well aware of 4k/HDR technology as I said "bring on the Micro LED sets..."There's not enough 4k content to make me want to spend $3k+ on a new TV set. Even with the 4k content available the only way to legally play it is to have a 4k device (4k Chromecast, 4k blu-ray player, or Windows 10 + latest Intel CPU). I run Linux on everything and I only have 1080p Chromecasts and a 1080p blu-ray player. Not really looking forward to 4k since it's DRM'd all to hell.
oRAirwolf - Saturday, July 13, 2019 - link
Hey they bought it and they think it's good,despite ignoring obvious advancements in picture quality and color gamut, and they're saving money by not buying a new one so they're smarter than you.Surfacround - Monday, July 15, 2019 - link
interesting, viewed a powerpoint presentation, about 2 years ago that stated that in 3 years (or 2020-2021) 70 inch OLED’s will be the same price as 65” premium IPS (LED) TV’s... (was about “ink-jet” printing of OLED’s)so it seems that prediction is true, and the OLED’s will be “cheaper”... of course, that is If the tariffs (hidden tax) does not eat up all of the savings...
poohbear - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
Got my LG OLED B8 for $1150 this year. Absolutely love it as the colors are and level of detail are out of this world. I am NOT a TV person, i'd watch a few episodes a week on Netflix, but since getting this I've been absolutely fascinated by all those 4K Atmos Vision nature series (BBC i'm looking at u!) and thoroughly appreciating the graphical detail of CGI in movies/series.It's like playing a game at max settings with a GTX 2080, as opposed to playing that same game with low settings with a GTX 1050. World of difference!
FXi - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
I'm waiting for top emission. But this is a nice improvement.