That DDR4-3200 CL14 in 16GB x2 for 32GB total looks really nice. I bet that would boot with my Gen1 Ryzen system and I could use it later for a 3xxx or 4xxx upgrade that is if 4xxx is still AM4.
nop. please read new documentation (and tests) = new mb + cpu, or there will be memory bottlenecks. ps my upgrade in next few month will be to ryzen 3xxx. my old haswell cores are strugling.
Do you have a link to a review showing this? As far as I am aware dropping a 3xxx CPU into a x370 or x470 motherboard will have no impact on performance other than you wont get PCIE 4.0. I have read the latest documentation there is no mention of memory bottlenecks or any other performance side effects.
First and second generation Ryzen run Infinity Fabric at half the RAM speed, while third generation Ryzen will run Infinity Fabric at up to 3733 with a 1:1 ration with the faster RAM. The CPU will be fine, you just won't be able to take full advantage, and even then, you can't be 100% sure that the RAM will run at the full settings on first or second generation Ryzen chips(you may need to adjust the sub-timings or even run the RAM at below the listed speed).
1st and 2nd gen Ryzen runs memclk and fclk at 1:1 ratio, it is 3rd gen that adds the possibility to decouple both and run memory higher while sacrificing fabric speed. Remember that RAM is DDR so for example, 1:1 1800MHz fabric + memory results in DDR4-3600 effective speed. In the end it's not worth it.
Latest AGESA on both 300 and 400 series boards results in a relatively pain free experience for 1st gen and 2nd gen parts if you're not using plug and play Samsung B-die. Whatever you do just don't use the crappy XMP profile, manually configure what 1usmus' DRAM calculator spits out for any particular kit, then some testing to validate.
That DRAM calculator is pretty nice. I ran with safe settings at 3200Mhz for my Flare-x kit and ran fine. Got a little better benchmarks than the stock kit.
Have to agree about the XMP profile, even on Intel. The amount of people who do OC, and then use XMP and complain they can't OC to levels they expected....
You may have missed the point that the memory WOULD probably work with first generation Ryzen(DDR4-3200CL14 implies Samsung B-die). Much better performance with third generation, but that's another issue.
That is where I was going. Could get memory to run with my x370 board now as this is very likely B-die so should have no issue. Later upgrade to the 3xxx gen CPU. Likely will do something like that. I'm hoping AMD will have a higher binned 8-core like say a 3850x running at little faster clocks later this year. Would make a nice anniversary edition CPU.
I have a 3600 CL16 Trident Z RGB that was manufactured in 2017, is there any difference to the Neo 3600 CL16 at all? Since the article mentions about a new 10-Layer PCB on the RAM.
What is the point? I used to buy FlareX memory for Ryzen platforms then later I found out Ripjaws V works just fine, you don't need those "specifically designed for AMD" RAM to work. Also I had to RMA a lot more FlareX RAM comparing to Ripjaws V.
Is it possible to get good Ryzen-certified RAM without the pointless glitz of RGB LEDs all over it? I don't know about all of you, but I don't spend hours every day gazing longingly into my case -- I actually want my computer to do something.
Nope, it's the current industry gimmick for man-child people that call themselves gamers (whatever that stupid label even means). If you want to avoid it, buy a business class computer of some sort and if its a desktop add a GPU (PSU if necessary) or if its a laptop, fork out for a Quadro and game on it (works fine -- cheaper if you buy a used/refurb business box).
There's one kit, F4-3600C15D-16GTZ from what I read it's the best B-Die with tighter timings at sub 4000MHz, that's the fastest 3600MHz kit, perhaps the Ryzen 3000 IMC will take it since even the 2000 series Zen+ was able to handle that kit.
I'm eyeing a new build and the stupid DRAM and NAND price fixing and B-Die EOL is so off putting, all the Trident Z Royal with high quality bins are out of stock.
Is it okay to pair this RAM to Ryzen 2000? I really don't understand what are the odds and specialties of this RAM if compare to the other Trident Z's..
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FreckledTrout - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
That DDR4-3200 CL14 in 16GB x2 for 32GB total looks really nice. I bet that would boot with my Gen1 Ryzen system and I could use it later for a 3xxx or 4xxx upgrade that is if 4xxx is still AM4.Nikijs - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
nop. please read new documentation (and tests) = new mb + cpu, or there will be memory bottlenecks.ps my upgrade in next few month will be to ryzen 3xxx. my old haswell cores are strugling.
FreckledTrout - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Do you have a link to a review showing this? As far as I am aware dropping a 3xxx CPU into a x370 or x470 motherboard will have no impact on performance other than you wont get PCIE 4.0. I have read the latest documentation there is no mention of memory bottlenecks or any other performance side effects.Targon - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
First and second generation Ryzen run Infinity Fabric at half the RAM speed, while third generation Ryzen will run Infinity Fabric at up to 3733 with a 1:1 ration with the faster RAM. The CPU will be fine, you just won't be able to take full advantage, and even then, you can't be 100% sure that the RAM will run at the full settings on first or second generation Ryzen chips(you may need to adjust the sub-timings or even run the RAM at below the listed speed)..vodka - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Uh, no.1st and 2nd gen Ryzen runs memclk and fclk at 1:1 ratio, it is 3rd gen that adds the possibility to decouple both and run memory higher while sacrificing fabric speed. Remember that RAM is DDR so for example, 1:1 1800MHz fabric + memory results in DDR4-3600 effective speed. In the end it's not worth it.
Latest AGESA on both 300 and 400 series boards results in a relatively pain free experience for 1st gen and 2nd gen parts if you're not using plug and play Samsung B-die. Whatever you do just don't use the crappy XMP profile, manually configure what 1usmus' DRAM calculator spits out for any particular kit, then some testing to validate.
FreckledTrout - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
That DRAM calculator is pretty nice. I ran with safe settings at 3200Mhz for my Flare-x kit and ran fine. Got a little better benchmarks than the stock kit.Oliseo - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Have to agree about the XMP profile, even on Intel. The amount of people who do OC, and then use XMP and complain they can't OC to levels they expected....Targon - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
You may have missed the point that the memory WOULD probably work with first generation Ryzen(DDR4-3200CL14 implies Samsung B-die). Much better performance with third generation, but that's another issue.FreckledTrout - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
That is where I was going. Could get memory to run with my x370 board now as this is very likely B-die so should have no issue. Later upgrade to the 3xxx gen CPU. Likely will do something like that. I'm hoping AMD will have a higher binned 8-core like say a 3850x running at little faster clocks later this year. Would make a nice anniversary edition CPU.Targon - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
That DDR4-3600CL14 looks interesting, even with the 1.4 volt, it would be great for system performance. I just need my Ryzen 9 3900X to get here.PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
RGB SODIMMs requested.MrPhilo - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
I have a 3600 CL16 Trident Z RGB that was manufactured in 2017, is there any difference to the Neo 3600 CL16 at all? Since the article mentions about a new 10-Layer PCB on the RAM.FreckledTrout - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Probably the same samsung b-die chips so I doubt functionally there is any difference.airdrifting - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
What is the point? I used to buy FlareX memory for Ryzen platforms then later I found out Ripjaws V works just fine, you don't need those "specifically designed for AMD" RAM to work. Also I had to RMA a lot more FlareX RAM comparing to Ripjaws V.FreckledTrout - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Its for people who want to select profile 1 in the bios and not deal with DDR4 timings and sub timings.FreihEitner - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Is it possible to get good Ryzen-certified RAM without the pointless glitz of RGB LEDs all over it? I don't know about all of you, but I don't spend hours every day gazing longingly into my case -- I actually want my computer to do something.PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Nope, it's the current industry gimmick for man-child people that call themselves gamers (whatever that stupid label even means). If you want to avoid it, buy a business class computer of some sort and if its a desktop add a GPU (PSU if necessary) or if its a laptop, fork out for a Quadro and game on it (works fine -- cheaper if you buy a used/refurb business box).piroroadkill - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Would it be possible to just drop all this RGB LED crap? It HAS to be increasing power draw and heat (by definition), and just looks tacky as all helldarckhart - Thursday, July 11, 2019 - link
Yes I agree. There should always be a plain no RGB option.Quantumz0d - Friday, July 12, 2019 - link
There's one kit, F4-3600C15D-16GTZ from what I read it's the best B-Die with tighter timings at sub 4000MHz, that's the fastest 3600MHz kit, perhaps the Ryzen 3000 IMC will take it since even the 2000 series Zen+ was able to handle that kit.I'm eyeing a new build and the stupid DRAM and NAND price fixing and B-Die EOL is so off putting, all the Trident Z Royal with high quality bins are out of stock.
529th - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
I just bought a QVL listed kit for my board. 4133 CL19.19.19.39 1.35v Single Rank, B-Die Samsung. Is that as good kit for X570?529th - Tuesday, July 16, 2019 - link
I just bought a QVL listed kit for my board. 4133 CL19.19.19.39 1.35v Single Rank, B-Die Samsung. Is that as good kit for X570?RedRed134 - Tuesday, September 3, 2019 - link
Is it okay to pair this RAM to Ryzen 2000? I really don't understand what are the odds and specialties of this RAM if compare to the other Trident Z's..