There, it's just that Intel's 14nm chips never used it. Intel is like the one company still necessitating use of LPDDR3 for all of their thin laptops because LPDDR4 support always got pushed off with 10nm, when it's been in phones and everything else for years now.
Yup, and what's even more insulting is that the upgrade from 128 to 256 GB is $200! That's $1600/TB! This is in a world where you can buy a 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO for $170, except of course Apple doesn't have slotted SSDs because of the T2 chip.
PeachNCream your the one who does "not understand".
Your comment "New for you in 2019...LPDDR3...because fk you, that's why." on a post about the lunch of a new Apple product means you are talking about the said product unless otherwise stated.
Also, regardless your commit sounds like anyonther person complaining about ldpddr3 launching on a product directed at a party other than Intel.
I was concerned that the lunch of a new Apple product was not going to be tasty enough as well due mostly to ldpddr3 so I had to make a commit about the said product. (Sorry, I can't help myself! My posts sometimes make no sense as well, but this is an entirely different level. Kudos for getting butchered by auto correct to such a degree.)
"New for you in 2019...LPDDR3...because fk you", was about the state of mobile x86 products in general, and not this specific Apple launch? I mean, ok, but it doesn't seem anyone read it the way you intended.
I probably should have been more specific about poking a little fun at Intel. I should have realized how it could have caused some distress in the Apple department. People are already a little bit defensive about buying and using those things to the point where I've had random end users that used to jump on me years ago while I was fixing some stupid computer problem at someone else's desk so they could start a conversation about how much better Apple laptops and iPads were. It usually bothered those sorts even more when I said I didn't have any particular brand loyalty or overly strong feelings about operating systems and hardware. In a way, it seemed that not caring was even more disturbing to the brand loyalists than taking an oppositional and aggressive stand. *shrugs* People can get weird about super trivial stuff.
Yeah, sucks doesn't it? Microsoft we can kind of expect that out of since the Surface line is meant to emulate the Apple product stack of semi-useful status symbols for the MS brand crowd, but I'm not sure what Dell has in the way of reasoning for not just using a CPU that can handle DDR4 at this point. Its not like they're bound up by the thin-at-the-expense-of-functionality limits of the Apple-chasers.
And an SSD barely big enough to install some "pro" applications. I know its not a 1:1 comparison (particularly with speed), but it's nuts that Apple's MacBook Pros come start with the same amount of standard storage as some phones (like Samsung's S10).
Oh, c'mon. I am not Apple fan, in fact my cup of tea for computing on the go is Surface Pro... and they had 4GB/128GB for ages. Only SP6 has finally - I think? - ditched 4GB SKU and starts with 8GB/128GB as an entry model.
Well, the 256GB Surface Pro is the same price as the cheaper model, type cover included. The price for the more expensive model will buy you the 16GB/512GB version of the Surface Pro 6.
I'm not to favorable of the Surface Pro's RAM either, but at least the Surface Pro is a tablet with a stylus and serves that professional use case for a niche market. Where as a plain Laptop like MBP should really offer a solid 16gb of RAM to run demanding professional software well.
Thanks for making that decision for everyone Apple. Great for Pro's, and who needs an 8750H... when this piddly-little 4 core 28 watt bullshit part will pad your margins. Asshats
It'll work well in a coffee shop or collecting dust on a desk in a spare office room that no one in the family uses. Don't get wrapped up too much around the "pro" label. It's just another branding thing that's gotten as meaningless as slapping "gamer" on anything inside a desktop PC case. Apple is just appealing to a certain less aware population segment using misconceptions about how little a certain term actually means.
Apple’s professional machines never costed $1200. Take a $3000 budget and you would buy an excellent working companion. For $1200 you will get an excellent screen and good performance in non-demanding apps.
That's too bad. I will never buy a laptop with a ridiculous touchpad taking the place of real keys, so I suppose I'll be stuck on my 2012 retina Macbook Pro forever ... or at least until Apple comes to their senses or sheds their hubris. Who am I kidding, that will never happen ...
Are you kidding? You are comparing me to flat earthers because I prefer real keys to flat LCD touch pads and am expressing my opinion about that both in this post and by buying only products that meet my requirements?
I don’t blame you. Horrendous totally integrated PCBs on the latest MacBook Pro’s and a butterfly-switch keyboard that is destined to fail in normal use. It’s as though they want these to break quickly and be disposable...
Presumably the same difference as between the Iris Plus 650 and 640, namely that a 28W TDP on the Iris Plus 655 CPUs allows higher sustained clock speeds compared to 15W TDP Iris Plus 645 CPUs.
Really? ... the same form factor that throttles, has an asinine keyboard, strains ultra-thin display cables into destroying themselves, and a touch bar Apple refuses to actually improve and/or develop for?
They've been too busy trying to fix the keyboard to worry about the touch screen. ... Maybe that's the plan. Replace the entire keyboard with a touch screen after "proving" that real keyboards are "too unreliable"
Edram rocks. Not for the GPU but as a L4 cache for the CPU. The i7-8559U stocks beats a 7770k at 4.8Ghz on compilation time. I wish anandtech would do a benchmark to show the world how good edram is
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PeachNCream - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
New for you in 2019...LPDDR3...because fk you, that's why.Ninhalem - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Is there an actual low power version of DDR4? If not, then why would Apple sacrifice battery life for what might be slight increases in performance?axfelix - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
There, it's just that Intel's 14nm chips never used it. Intel is like the one company still necessitating use of LPDDR3 for all of their thin laptops because LPDDR4 support always got pushed off with 10nm, when it's been in phones and everything else for years now.axfelix - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
"There is," oopsSychonut - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Oh I thought LPDDR4 would make it for 14+++++.deil - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
LPDDR4 have better wat/performance, so it WOULD end up better, but intel was like from 10+, it will be soon here.... for 5 years.ingwe - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
I thought that was a Coffee Lake limitation? I am not sure though. What I hate is the 128 GB SSD. Just bump it to at least 256 GB already.AdditionalPylons - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Yup, and what's even more insulting is that the upgrade from 128 to 256 GB is $200! That's $1600/TB! This is in a world where you can buy a 1 TB Samsung 970 EVO for $170, except of course Apple doesn't have slotted SSDs because of the T2 chip.Samus - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Can't tell you how many MacBooks I've installed an OWC SSD upgrade in.Really, I can't. I lost count years ago. Apple was still pushing 64GB models at the low end until just a few years ago, it's ridiculous.
tipoo - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Because Intel won't support LPDDR4 until Ice Lake. Do people still not understand this?PeachNCream - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
People do. It's just that certain people do not understand that a comment about a lack of LPDDR4 may not be directed at Apple. :)Skeptical123 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
PeachNCream your the one who does "not understand".Your comment "New for you in 2019...LPDDR3...because fk you, that's why." on a post about the lunch of a new Apple product means you are talking about the said product unless otherwise stated.
Also, regardless your commit sounds like anyonther person complaining about ldpddr3 launching on a product directed at a party other than Intel.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
I was concerned that the lunch of a new Apple product was not going to be tasty enough as well due mostly to ldpddr3 so I had to make a commit about the said product. (Sorry, I can't help myself! My posts sometimes make no sense as well, but this is an entirely different level. Kudos for getting butchered by auto correct to such a degree.)tipoo - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
"New for you in 2019...LPDDR3...because fk you", was about the state of mobile x86 products in general, and not this specific Apple launch?I mean, ok, but it doesn't seem anyone read it the way you intended.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
I probably should have been more specific about poking a little fun at Intel. I should have realized how it could have caused some distress in the Apple department. People are already a little bit defensive about buying and using those things to the point where I've had random end users that used to jump on me years ago while I was fixing some stupid computer problem at someone else's desk so they could start a conversation about how much better Apple laptops and iPads were. It usually bothered those sorts even more when I said I didn't have any particular brand loyalty or overly strong feelings about operating systems and hardware. In a way, it seemed that not caring was even more disturbing to the brand loyalists than taking an oppositional and aggressive stand. *shrugs* People can get weird about super trivial stuff.TEAMSWITCHER - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Dell XPS 13 is still using LPDDR3.Microsoft Surface Laptop is using LPDDR3.
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Yeah, sucks doesn't it? Microsoft we can kind of expect that out of since the Surface line is meant to emulate the Apple product stack of semi-useful status symbols for the MS brand crowd, but I'm not sure what Dell has in the way of reasoning for not just using a CPU that can handle DDR4 at this point. Its not like they're bound up by the thin-at-the-expense-of-functionality limits of the Apple-chasers.Sttm - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
$1800 laptop with 8gb of RAM... and its a "Pro" model. Hahhahahasing_electric - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
And an SSD barely big enough to install some "pro" applications. I know its not a 1:1 comparison (particularly with speed), but it's nuts that Apple's MacBook Pros come start with the same amount of standard storage as some phones (like Samsung's S10).nikon133 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Oh, c'mon. I am not Apple fan, in fact my cup of tea for computing on the go is Surface Pro... and they had 4GB/128GB for ages. Only SP6 has finally - I think? - ditched 4GB SKU and starts with 8GB/128GB as an entry model.Rookierookie - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Well, the 256GB Surface Pro is the same price as the cheaper model, type cover included. The price for the more expensive model will buy you the 16GB/512GB version of the Surface Pro 6.Sttm - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
I'm not to favorable of the Surface Pro's RAM either, but at least the Surface Pro is a tablet with a stylus and serves that professional use case for a niche market. Where as a plain Laptop like MBP should really offer a solid 16gb of RAM to run demanding professional software well.TETRONG - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
..and no GPU either!Thanks for making that decision for everyone Apple. Great for Pro's, and who needs an 8750H... when this piddly-little 4 core 28 watt bullshit part will pad your margins. Asshats
PeachNCream - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
It'll work well in a coffee shop or collecting dust on a desk in a spare office room that no one in the family uses. Don't get wrapped up too much around the "pro" label. It's just another branding thing that's gotten as meaningless as slapping "gamer" on anything inside a desktop PC case. Apple is just appealing to a certain less aware population segment using misconceptions about how little a certain term actually means.not_anton - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Apple’s professional machines never costed $1200. Take a $3000 budget and you would buy an excellent working companion.For $1200 you will get an excellent screen and good performance in non-demanding apps.
znd125 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Isn't the higher end's i5 the i5-8279U?bji - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
That's too bad. I will never buy a laptop with a ridiculous touchpad taking the place of real keys, so I suppose I'll be stuck on my 2012 retina Macbook Pro forever ... or at least until Apple comes to their senses or sheds their hubris. Who am I kidding, that will never happen ...Skeptical123 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Can people like you hear themselves? (Apologies if this is a satirical post. In regards to flat earth / no earthers )bji - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Are you kidding? You are comparing me to flat earthers because I prefer real keys to flat LCD touch pads and am expressing my opinion about that both in this post and by buying only products that meet my requirements?plewis00 - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
I don’t blame you. Horrendous totally integrated PCBs on the latest MacBook Pro’s and a butterfly-switch keyboard that is destined to fail in normal use. It’s as though they want these to break quickly and be disposable...AdditionalPylons - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
What are the differences between Iris Pro 645 and 655? I can't seem to find any info about 645 on Intel's websites.ltcommanderdata - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
Presumably the same difference as between the Iris Plus 650 and 640, namely that a 28W TDP on the Iris Plus 655 CPUs allows higher sustained clock speeds compared to 15W TDP Iris Plus 645 CPUs.RSAUser - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
And note the difference in efficiency curve, the 645 is about 75% of the performance.ikjadoon - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
>renowned form-factorReally? ... the same form factor that throttles, has an asinine keyboard, strains ultra-thin display cables into destroying themselves, and a touch bar Apple refuses to actually improve and/or develop for?
Lord of the Bored - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
They've been too busy trying to fix the keyboard to worry about the touch screen....
Maybe that's the plan. Replace the entire keyboard with a touch screen after "proving" that real keyboards are "too unreliable"
Vitor - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
At least it has the ideal resolution for the size IMO.firewrath9 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
The 13" MBP use i5-8279U, and i7-8569U.https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/produc...
WPX00 - Tuesday, July 9, 2019 - link
The higher end model has an i5-8279U.matfra - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Edram rocks. Not for the GPU but as a L4 cache for the CPU. The i7-8559U stocks beats a 7770k at 4.8Ghz on compilation time. I wish anandtech would do a benchmark to show the world how good edram is