Because next we will get 5D and after that 6D and so on... so yeah... stupid Name... in general terms 3D means 3 dimensional, 4 means 3D plus time, so unless this nand send info before anyone ask and gives old info from time to time instead of new info or todays info then 4D is pure missleading advertising...
5D is where it's at. This will send electrons to their proper place via the qwantum vacoom and as a result will bring back zero point energiiiieeee which will fuel the PC with freeee powaaaaar. This simple improvement to the functioning of RAM will put sheep out of business and also take the world off dinosaur squeezings as we'll make our own poooowwwaaaarrrrr.
My spell checker just had a stroke. My brain actually struggled to write that crap. I'm too sober.
4D could simply be leveraging time crystals into the data structure. Though at this scale, I don't that that would be possible and achieve a density improvement.
I want NAND that sends me info before I ask for it! In fact, I really want it to send me data before I've even downloaded it. As an academic, it would really help my career if I could get economic data before the events even happen.
4D is not an implausible name. XYZ structurally and then quad-level data per cell is 4 dimensions. But they sure as hell better not call the next process 5D, cuz there's sure as hell no 5th dimension they can imply.
"In general terms 3D means 3 dimensional, 4 means 3D plus time" Not necessarily. 4D may also mean 4 spatial dimensions. Mathematicians casually play with 4D cubes, spheres and toruses, and they always mean 4 spatial dimensions (time is a concept in physics and some applied math; it does not really exist in pure math).
I was with you on 4D being a silly marketing term, but there's nothing "inevitable" about improvement in this area. Both of those descriptions cheapen the solid engineering effort that went into this.
The other companies are working on string stacking, Western Digital has 1 Tb and 1.33 Tb NAND, etc. So yes, it is inevitable, and I'll cheapen it all day long.
They pull this crap with ultrasound machines. We have 2D and 4D imaging. 3D doesn't exist because it has a temporal component. This logic doesn't apply to the 2D button though, for reasons known only to cocaine addled spewers of marketing wank.
NAND is interesting, on one hand we want to highest density and lowest cost, performance doesn't matter because its closest rival HDD doesn't even compare. On the other hand we want something that is crazy fast.
I wish we could see $100 2TB SSD for bulk storage, even if it is QLD. I could then get a 4TB SSD NAS + 4TB 2.5" HDD as Backup.
Although we need 10Gbps Ethernet or 5Gbps Prices to drop first.... : /
We'll get there before too long. You can already purchase 1 TB SSDs for under $100, so it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to get 2 TB at that price point.
I was about to say the same thing. I chuckle every time I see these "I wish I could get x amount of NAND for y amount of money" comments, because every year x goes up and y goes down but z (the volume of grumbling) never changes. xD
4D is not an implausible name. XYZ structurally and then quad-level data per cell is 4 dimensions. But they sure as hell better not call the next process 5D, cuz there's sure as hell no 5th dimension they can imply.
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nandnandnand - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
Call it "3D NAND" please, not their awful marketing term.melgross - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
That’s your entire response, you don’t like the name?nandnandnand - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
What else needs to be said? It's an incremental and inevitable improvement.haukionkannel - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
Because next we will get 5D and after that 6D and so on... so yeah... stupid Name...in general terms 3D means 3 dimensional, 4 means 3D plus time, so unless this nand send info before anyone ask and gives old info from time to time instead of new info or todays info then 4D is pure missleading advertising...
philehidiot - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
5D is where it's at. This will send electrons to their proper place via the qwantum vacoom and as a result will bring back zero point energiiiieeee which will fuel the PC with freeee powaaaaar. This simple improvement to the functioning of RAM will put sheep out of business and also take the world off dinosaur squeezings as we'll make our own poooowwwaaaarrrrr.My spell checker just had a stroke. My brain actually struggled to write that crap. I'm too sober.
Ithaqua - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
Quick get philehidiot a 6D beer!Kevin G - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
4D could simply be leveraging time crystals into the data structure. Though at this scale, I don't that that would be possible and achieve a density improvement.Mikewind Dale - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
I want NAND that sends me info before I ask for it! In fact, I really want it to send me data before I've even downloaded it. As an academic, it would really help my career if I could get economic data before the events even happen.linuxgeex - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
4D is not an implausible name. XYZ structurally and then quad-level data per cell is 4 dimensions. But they sure as hell better not call the next process 5D, cuz there's sure as hell no 5th dimension they can imply.FunBunny2 - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
" there's sure as hell no 5th dimension they can imply."if your a baby boomer, there sure is.
Santoval - Friday, June 28, 2019 - link
"In general terms 3D means 3 dimensional, 4 means 3D plus time"Not necessarily. 4D may also mean 4 spatial dimensions. Mathematicians casually play with 4D cubes, spheres and toruses, and they always mean 4 spatial dimensions (time is a concept in physics and some applied math; it does not really exist in pure math).
Spunjji - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
I was with you on 4D being a silly marketing term, but there's nothing "inevitable" about improvement in this area. Both of those descriptions cheapen the solid engineering effort that went into this.theeldest - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
IMFT (Intel and Micron) have been doing the CMOS under the Array since early 2016--more than 3 years ago.So it's ridiculous for SK to talk like they're the first ones to come up with *4D NAND*.
So it was inevitable given they knew their competition was doing the same thing to good effect.
nandnandnand - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
The other companies are working on string stacking, Western Digital has 1 Tb and 1.33 Tb NAND, etc. So yes, it is inevitable, and I'll cheapen it all day long.PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
It must be packed with flux capacitors or something.RU482 - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
what exactly is the 4th dimension in this NAND?philehidiot - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
Time.They pull this crap with ultrasound machines. We have 2D and 4D imaging. 3D doesn't exist because it has a temporal component. This logic doesn't apply to the 2D button though, for reasons known only to cocaine addled spewers of marketing wank.
ksec - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
NAND is interesting, on one hand we want to highest density and lowest cost, performance doesn't matter because its closest rival HDD doesn't even compare. On the other hand we want something that is crazy fast.I wish we could see $100 2TB SSD for bulk storage, even if it is QLD. I could then get a 4TB SSD NAS + 4TB 2.5" HDD as Backup.
Although we need 10Gbps Ethernet or 5Gbps Prices to drop first.... : /
Stochastic - Wednesday, June 26, 2019 - link
We'll get there before too long. You can already purchase 1 TB SSDs for under $100, so it's only a matter of time before you'll be able to get 2 TB at that price point.Spunjji - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
I was about to say the same thing. I chuckle every time I see these "I wish I could get x amount of NAND for y amount of money" comments, because every year x goes up and y goes down but z (the volume of grumbling) never changes. xDSkeptical123 - Friday, June 28, 2019 - link
So trueDigitalFreak - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
So this 4D NAND is made up of tiny tesseracts?DigitalFreak - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
I'd love to see any interview with SK Hynix where they were asked what makes their NAND '4D'. Ian - make it happen!linuxgeex - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
4D is not an implausible name. XYZ structurally and then quad-level data per cell is 4 dimensions. But they sure as hell better not call the next process 5D, cuz there's sure as hell no 5th dimension they can imply.Ahnilated - Thursday, June 27, 2019 - link
"The company plans to offer 1 TB UFS 3.1 chips that will consume up to 20% less when compared to similar products that use 512 Gb ICs."20% less of what? Space, power, air?