Yes, but double the cores (MP3 vs MP6) and probably some better clockspeeds (MTK website says "up to 800 MHz" but 7nm vs 12nm should allow some better clockspeeds for the Kirin overall, not just 820 MHz vs 800 MHz) should work out to the Kirin being better. And the A73 vs A76 is no contest, really. But the Helio is also available in much cheaper phones.
Only the top of the line Snapdragons will be faster. The mid range will probably be a neck and neck race and some early benches show the Snapdragon 730 being slower in GFXBench vs this Kirin 810.
Painfully slow? The only GPU faster than Kirin 980 is Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855, the former is bogged down by its CPU. Kirin 810 has no GPU competitor from Qualcomm Samsung or MTK.
Painfully slow? The only GPU faster than Kirin 980 is Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855, the former is bogged down by its CPU. Kirin 810 has no GPU competitor from Qualcomm Samsung or MTK.
FMA Gflops should be either 157 Gflops(2 execution engines per core) or 236 Gflops(3 execution units per core) Its a flexible architecture but unfortunately im not sure if they use 2 or 3 per core. Regardless it should have 12 Texture Units and 12 Pixel units
To put it another way ARM offers Mali G52 configurations with either 16 or 24 ALUs per core not including add units. I have no idea which configuration Huawei has implemented
That's ridiculous. It's only 20-30% faster than Adreno 616 which is almost definitely 128ALU. Adreno 618 either has 128ALU@higher clock or 256ALU@much lower clock.
That isnt ridiculous compare the Adreno 616 to the Adreno 540(a known 256 ALU GPU)no way 128 Alus with half the memory bandwidth bench that good. The 616 acts like a bandwidth starved 192 or 256 ALU GPU
Im saying that Adreno is less likely to become compute bound than the competition in the same price bracket. Its my understanding that ALUs are much cheaper to implement than additional memory controllers and associated circuitry, and we are talking about the very price concious midrange
Actually, Wikipedia might just be erring then... Adreno 618 is better than Adreno 616 which has around 384 Gflops according to Wikipedia... This means that Adreno 618 has to have those nos to prove itself better than 616...
It's a single cluster 128 ALU Adreno vs 144 (6x 24) Mali G52 MP6. Normalise Adreno to 0.7 mali still has 17% higher clocks so it's 180 vs 240. What I really want to see is performance per wat comparation.
You undercut the compute performance of Adreno GPUs severely. The Adreno 506 is a 130ish Gflop GPU, so was the Adreno 330(their performance was greatly different). The 616 is at least double that. Compute is not the only metric in gaming/benchmarks. All of these GPUs have different amounts of memory bandwidth, cache, texture units, ROPs, CPU configurations, etc.
Wikipedia is wrong, that article has been edited so many times. The Adreno 540 has 256 Alus running from 670-710 mhz. FMA Gflops are from 343 - 364 GFlops
The ~$30 to upgrade to the Pro seems like a really good deal. Faster CPU, and what should be a faster and probably move efficient GPU seems well worth it.
I know nobody likes GB around here, but how can this 810 have higher single and multicore scores than the snapdragon 730 if both have basically the same cores and clocks?
Four camera lenses because f*ck you and your desire to put that space to use with increased battery life or maybe a removable back panel so you can replace the stupid thing when it dies in 18 months!
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patel21 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Isn't the GPU Mali G52MP6 used in Kirin 810 a bit old architecture than G72MP3 used in Helio P60 ?Death666Angel - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Yes, but double the cores (MP3 vs MP6) and probably some better clockspeeds (MTK website says "up to 800 MHz" but 7nm vs 12nm should allow some better clockspeeds for the Kirin overall, not just 820 MHz vs 800 MHz) should work out to the Kirin being better. And the A73 vs A76 is no contest, really. But the Helio is also available in much cheaper phones.levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Nope. G52 is almost on par with G76, not G72.porcupineLTD - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
It's newer and the GPU cores are also wider.Ro_Ja - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
I wish they actually offer Snapdragon variants of these, the GPUs in their Kirins are painfully slow.Death666Angel - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Only the top of the line Snapdragons will be faster. The mid range will probably be a neck and neck race and some early benches show the Snapdragon 730 being slower in GFXBench vs this Kirin 810.Achtung_BG - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
According to Huawei new Mali G52MP6 is 44% faster than Adreno 618.Achtung_BG - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Kirin 810 55fps vs 38 fps SnD 730 in 1080p GFXbench.levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Painfully slow? The only GPU faster than Kirin 980 is Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855, the former is bogged down by its CPU. Kirin 810 has no GPU competitor from Qualcomm Samsung or MTK.20th Century Boy - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
do u work for Huawei? just curious :)levizx - Wednesday, July 10, 2019 - link
Are you stupid? Just Curious. :)sandberg123 - Monday, August 5, 2019 - link
Nice phonehttp://thestorelocator.co.uk
levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Painfully slow? The only GPU faster than Kirin 980 is Exynos 9820 and Snapdragon 855, the former is bogged down by its CPU. Kirin 810 has no GPU competitor from Qualcomm Samsung or MTK.ternnence - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
actually g52mp6 is much faster than sdm 730Kickasser - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Does anyone know the Gflops of G52 MP6 on Kirin 810 or can anyone calculate it?Adreno 618 might have around 400-450 Gflops...
Wardrive86 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
FMA Gflops should be either 157 Gflops(2 execution engines per core) or 236 Gflops(3 execution units per core) Its a flexible architecture but unfortunately im not sure if they use 2 or 3 per core. Regardless it should have 12 Texture Units and 12 Pixel unitsWardrive86 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
To put it another way ARM offers Mali G52 configurations with either 16 or 24 ALUs per core not including add units. I have no idea which configuration Huawei has implementedlevizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
HiSilicon claims 55fps in Manhattan 3.0, that place it about 65% of G76MP10, so I'd say more likely 3EU version.LS.Potter - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Adreno 618 just have 128 [email protected] it is 128x0.61x2=156 Gflops...400-450 Gflops ??? Maybe you are crazy....
Wardrive86 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Adreno 618 almost certainly has at least 256 Alus at a higher clocklevizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
That's ridiculous. It's only 20-30% faster than Adreno 616 which is almost definitely 128ALU. Adreno 618 either has 128ALU@higher clock or 256ALU@much lower clock.levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Or 192ALU@slightly lower clock.Wardrive86 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
That isnt ridiculous compare the Adreno 616 to the Adreno 540(a known 256 ALU GPU)no way 128 Alus with half the memory bandwidth bench that good. The 616 acts like a bandwidth starved 192 or 256 ALU GPUlevizx - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
So you are saying Qualcomm is stupid enough to put 256 ALUs on a memory starved system. Maybe you should head their R&DWardrive86 - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Im saying that Adreno is less likely to become compute bound than the competition in the same price bracket. Its my understanding that ALUs are much cheaper to implement than additional memory controllers and associated circuitry, and we are talking about the very price concious midrangelevizx - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Also to quote your own logic, there's no way Adreno 630 with the same bandwidth can perform that much better.Wardrive86 - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Adreno 630 has double the ALUs, 50% more TMUs and Rops and access to a "L4" cache as compared to Adreno 540levizx - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Also, further blow to your bull$hit logic, if Adreno 616 is already heavily bandwidth starved, how do you explain 618?Kickasser - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Adreno 618 has 128ALUs with HT at 825 Mhz and 4 cores; Using the above formula, i would say that it has 420 Gflops...Kickasser - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Actually, Wikipedia might just be erring then...Adreno 618 is better than Adreno 616 which has around 384 Gflops according to Wikipedia...
This means that Adreno 618 has to have those nos to prove itself better than 616...
ZolaIII - Monday, June 24, 2019 - link
It's a single cluster 128 ALU Adreno vs 144 (6x 24) Mali G52 MP6. Normalise Adreno to 0.7 mali still has 17% higher clocks so it's 180 vs 240. What I really want to see is performance per wat comparation.levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
400-450GFLOPS? In your dream, maybe. It has ~130GFLOPS.levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
I misread, 130-160GFLOPS is for Adreno 616. 618 is closer to 160-200GFLOPSWardrive86 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
You undercut the compute performance of Adreno GPUs severely. The Adreno 506 is a 130ish Gflop GPU, so was the Adreno 330(their performance was greatly different). The 616 is at least double that. Compute is not the only metric in gaming/benchmarks. All of these GPUs have different amounts of memory bandwidth, cache, texture units, ROPs, CPU configurations, etc.Kickasser - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
How come?Adreno 540 has 567 Gflops as written on Wikipedia; either you guys are horribly wrong or Wikipedia has totally erred calculations...
Wardrive86 - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Wikipedia is wrong, that article has been edited so many times. The Adreno 540 has 256 Alus running from 670-710 mhz. FMA Gflops are from 343 - 364 GFlopsYouInspireMe - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
As if the back isn't busy enough with 4 cameras and a sensor they actually printed an image of 4 more cameras on the backYouInspireMe - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
And spelled out that it has 4 cameras alsokpb321 - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
The ~$30 to upgrade to the Pro seems like a really good deal. Faster CPU, and what should be a faster and probably move efficient GPU seems well worth it.0iron - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Yes, I think $30 represent SoC pricing different between those two. $50 to double the storage is reasonable price too.dudedud - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
I know nobody likes GB around here, but how can this 810 have higher single and multicore scores than the snapdragon 730 if both have basically the same cores and clocks?levizx - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Because Qualcomm has the habit of cutting corners on L2$ while HiSilicon doesn't.PeachNCream - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Four camera lenses because f*ck you and your desire to put that space to use with increased battery life or maybe a removable back panel so you can replace the stupid thing when it dies in 18 months!Kickasser - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
If I take G52 with 3EU, then it might have around 245 Gflops...Roy2002 - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
Bring these phones to USA please.