Excellent! I can't wait to have less than 1K P/E cycle endurance per cell in my computer. It'll be almost as much fun as current gen 3D TLC's sh*tastic 3K P/E endurance! What fun!
Oh shut up, you moron. Do you really think manufacturers would be selling products with 5-year warranties if they thought said products would fail within that time, thus causing them massive financial issues due to returns?
This "boo hoo <new flash type> has fewer PE cycles than <previous flash type> and MY LIFE IS OVER AS A RESULT" idiocy has been happening since SLC was replaced with MLC. Guess what, none of those doomsday predictions have come to pass - and they won't, because the people designing NAND flash are a lot smarter than you and all the other dipshits making predictions about the lifetime of flash memory without knowing anything about it.
I guess some people are used with mechanical drives lasting 10+ years. They have to get used to upgrading more often or replacing drives. I've bought my Sandisk X400 SSD (128 GB MLC drive) in March 2016 and paid around 60-70 dollars for it - now three years later a 120 GB drive is around 25$ So I could see it as paying 30-40$ every 2 years instead of paying 100$ for something that would last 5+ years. Downside ... more waste (all the plastic shells/cases of SATA SSDs being thrown out), more pollution due to shipping products all over the world... but people want cheap stuff, race to the bottom...
Most people don't need crazy high PE cycles. I bought a 1TB 850 EVO 2.5 years ago, using it as my main system drive, and I've written 21TB to it over that time. I don't know how various factors in there would impact PE cycles, because on the one hand there's potential inefficiencies in wear leveling and write amplification, but on the other hand, there's the SLC cache. If we assume that means 21 PE cycles consumed, even a drive with a mere 100 PE cycles would last me more than a decade, and that seems fine for consumer use.
Ten years on, you'd be able to get a faster SSD of the same capacity at a fraction the price. Heck, even in the 2.5 years since I've owned the drive, you can get a Samsung 860 EVO for 2/3 of what I paid, or a budget SSD for 1/3.
Its funny that when you feel threatened by the numbers, you lash out at the person stating the numbers because you can't figure out where else to direct your aggression and cannot stop to process your feelings before letting yourself take a angry mental rage dump here, misquoting and railing solely to help yourself feel better.
Actually, BiCS4 is rated up to 1,500 P/E which with a typical consumer WAF could have some of these SKUs exceeding 1PB written. DRAM-less so probably much less, but it's still far in excess of what most people will be writing. And actually good 3D TLC - Intel/Micron or Samsung - will hit 10K+ P/E in practice.
The "0" at the end of the results should be a "K" most likely. The E13T probably has twice the channels and the benefits of NVMe/PCIe so can hit higher numbers with enough dies.
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nandnandnand - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Nice to see more 1.33 Tb NAND. Any 1.5 Tb and above yet?PeachNCream - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Excellent! I can't wait to have less than 1K P/E cycle endurance per cell in my computer. It'll be almost as much fun as current gen 3D TLC's sh*tastic 3K P/E endurance! What fun!The_Assimilator - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Oh shut up, you moron. Do you really think manufacturers would be selling products with 5-year warranties if they thought said products would fail within that time, thus causing them massive financial issues due to returns?This "boo hoo <new flash type> has fewer PE cycles than <previous flash type> and MY LIFE IS OVER AS A RESULT" idiocy has been happening since SLC was replaced with MLC. Guess what, none of those doomsday predictions have come to pass - and they won't, because the people designing NAND flash are a lot smarter than you and all the other dipshits making predictions about the lifetime of flash memory without knowing anything about it.
mariush - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
I guess some people are used with mechanical drives lasting 10+ years.They have to get used to upgrading more often or replacing drives.
I've bought my Sandisk X400 SSD (128 GB MLC drive) in March 2016 and paid around 60-70 dollars for it - now three years later a 120 GB drive is around 25$
So I could see it as paying 30-40$ every 2 years instead of paying 100$ for something that would last 5+ years.
Downside ... more waste (all the plastic shells/cases of SATA SSDs being thrown out), more pollution due to shipping products all over the world... but people want cheap stuff, race to the bottom...
Guspaz - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Most people don't need crazy high PE cycles. I bought a 1TB 850 EVO 2.5 years ago, using it as my main system drive, and I've written 21TB to it over that time. I don't know how various factors in there would impact PE cycles, because on the one hand there's potential inefficiencies in wear leveling and write amplification, but on the other hand, there's the SLC cache. If we assume that means 21 PE cycles consumed, even a drive with a mere 100 PE cycles would last me more than a decade, and that seems fine for consumer use.Ten years on, you'd be able to get a faster SSD of the same capacity at a fraction the price. Heck, even in the 2.5 years since I've owned the drive, you can get a Samsung 860 EVO for 2/3 of what I paid, or a budget SSD for 1/3.
PeachNCream - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Its funny that when you feel threatened by the numbers, you lash out at the person stating the numbers because you can't figure out where else to direct your aggression and cannot stop to process your feelings before letting yourself take a angry mental rage dump here, misquoting and railing solely to help yourself feel better.NewMaxx - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Actually, BiCS4 is rated up to 1,500 P/E which with a typical consumer WAF could have some of these SKUs exceeding 1PB written. DRAM-less so probably much less, but it's still far in excess of what most people will be writing. And actually good 3D TLC - Intel/Micron or Samsung - will hit 10K+ P/E in practice.ajp_anton - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
Why does the SATA version have much higher random IOPS?nevcairiel - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Its actually much lower IOPS, the PCIe variant is "40k", the SATA variant only mere 280 - the magic of NVMe, I assume.hojnikb - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
280IOPS? I HIGHLY doubt that.ajp_anton - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
Oh, didn't notice the missing k.NewMaxx - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
The "0" at the end of the results should be a "K" most likely. The E13T probably has twice the channels and the benefits of NVMe/PCIe so can hit higher numbers with enough dies.