Exactly what I was thinking as well. I don't need a super sized case or extra PCIe slots anymore. Video card and maybe a wireless card is all I run now. Boards have everything else built in most users use now.
I have mATX right now, I know this might seem a bit weird, but I actually like having mATX motherboard in a full ATX case. Well, in my Fractal Design Focus G it exposes two extra cable routing holes and I actually find it easier to manage the wires :D ,y current board even has two PCI-e M.2 connectors, but one is Gen2 4x from the B450 Chipset. For my next motherboard I Actually want 3x M.2 and preferably all at least Gen3, so I might be looking at Full ATX for that :/
I also used a mATX mobo in an ATX case for my HTPC. Granted the case is relatively unusual (Fractal Design Node 605), but with a smaller mobo I was able to free up more space in my case to increase airflow. I didn't need a bunch of PCIe slots, just one for the GPU and a few m.2 slots for SSD. I think most of my builds going forward will be the same since I almost never need a full ATX board anymore and it's nice to have the extra space.
The matx has 2xm.2 gen 3 and 1x laptop style wifi card aligned m.2 slot (which looks like it is the top one below the procesor soc).. Wondering now if this is why there 2 revisions of the matx one with WiFi slot and one with just straight up 3 m.2 slots
And the first mATX motherboard with an X chipset since a few 370s (although Asrock Rack has a new, expensive X470 mATX mainboard). I think I might buy the X570M Pro4. Was eyeing the B450M Pro4 for a while, but DDR4 prices were too high. And when they got down, Zen2 seemed around the corner. Now it seems like a great time to upgrade my i5-4570S with 12GB RAM. :D
The B450M Pro4 is a great motherboard, I had used one for a while. But now I have the B450M Mortar from MSI, and it's great too but I did notice it has really bad vDroop with manual overclocking. Doesn't bother me, since i don't do that.
Late reply, but anyway: Since making the first post I've been following Buildzoid and he is very fond of the MSI B450M Mortar because of it's good VRM (heatsink mostly). And he doesn't like AsRock and their UEFI I think. Both the AsRock and the MSI Mortar have my needed components (mATX, 2 PCIe M.2 slots, decent performance). So if I don't get an X570 (if it's over 150 I think I'll pass for now), those are my go to's for Ryzen 3.
Yep! But I do hope these boards get the same Love as the ATX ones, because the 300 and 400 series mATX boards were a bit... crap compared to the full ATX ones (VRM, etc). As Death666Angel said below, this being an X570 (and not a B550) is a good sign :D
Oh, this is great!!! Together with the ASUS Pro WS X570-Ace, having the option of non-childish motherboards means the manufacturers are listening to the grumpy grown-ups target too. I was very worried about the bling trend as the only option on the enthusiast level components.
This ASRock looks great, might reconsider skipping the X570 due to the fan thanks to these two models.
No, not really. Fans on chipsets indicate PCI-E 4.0 has higher power requirements than 3.0, and this fan will likely only spin at higher RPM if you saturate, for example, two Gen4 4X M.2 SSDs at the same time. I will take a Fan on the chipset for the massive I/O capability X570 offers any day.
When we bought our Ryzen 1800X system, we used the Asrock A320M Pro4, because we don't need the additional I/O capabilities of the B350 or X370 chipsets, we were not interested in overclocking, and because Asrock (along with Asus) implements ECC functionality. But there are people who claim that boards with higher-end chipsets also have better VRMs. And indeed that board died last weekend, possibly due to some VRM failure (it was completely dead).
So I guess buying an X570 board for a 3900X makes sense even if the I/O capabilities of the A320 (or its successor) would be sufficient. The X570M Pro4 therefore looks very interesting, and I eagerly await a review.
A320 boards have the weakest VRM for sure. Honestly don't cheap out on a board with the highest end Ryzen 3900X. Also A320 will not support Ryzen 3000, AMD confirmed that already. For me the price difference between A320 and B350 was like £10-20, and I figured I would just buy the B350 because I *can* overclock it, if I ever wanted to run some tests or get a bit more performance. But then, Ryzen 2000 boost upgrade really removed any requirement for overclocking "X" Series CPUs, to get more performance :D. I love the 2700X for that. (But Precision Boost Overdrive is even better IMO).
I really don't think this is a real 8-phase on the Vcore side. Knowing Motherboard companies, and marketing and all that. I will reserve judgement until someone rips that Heatsink off and checks the components. Until then, I assume this is a 4-phase with two inductors per phase in parallel (not even a doubled). But even that is still perfectly fine for the currently announced Ryzen 3000 CPUs. When I did mess with manual overclocking a bit, I managed to get 4.25 GHz on all cores on my 2700 with 1.42V on a 4-phase (MSI B450M Mortar), and it was drawing nearly 200 Watts according to HWINFO64.
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jackstar7 - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
Glad to see the mATX options actually exist. The focus on full ATX coming out of Computex was troubling.Marlin1975 - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
Exactly what I was thinking as well. I don't need a super sized case or extra PCIe slots anymore.Video card and maybe a wireless card is all I run now. Boards have everything else built in most users use now.
AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I have mATX right now, I know this might seem a bit weird, but I actually like having mATX motherboard in a full ATX case. Well, in my Fractal Design Focus G it exposes two extra cable routing holes and I actually find it easier to manage the wires :D ,y current board even has two PCI-e M.2 connectors, but one is Gen2 4x from the B450 Chipset. For my next motherboard I Actually want 3x M.2 and preferably all at least Gen3, so I might be looking at Full ATX for that :/Kakti - Sunday, June 9, 2019 - link
I also used a mATX mobo in an ATX case for my HTPC. Granted the case is relatively unusual (Fractal Design Node 605), but with a smaller mobo I was able to free up more space in my case to increase airflow. I didn't need a bunch of PCIe slots, just one for the GPU and a few m.2 slots for SSD. I think most of my builds going forward will be the same since I almost never need a full ATX board anymore and it's nice to have the extra space.Austintatious - Tuesday, June 25, 2019 - link
The matx has 2xm.2 gen 3 and 1x laptop style wifi card aligned m.2 slot (which looks like it is the top one below the procesor soc).. Wondering now if this is why there 2 revisions of the matx one with WiFi slot and one with just straight up 3 m.2 slotsDeath666Angel - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
And the first mATX motherboard with an X chipset since a few 370s (although Asrock Rack has a new, expensive X470 mATX mainboard). I think I might buy the X570M Pro4. Was eyeing the B450M Pro4 for a while, but DDR4 prices were too high. And when they got down, Zen2 seemed around the corner. Now it seems like a great time to upgrade my i5-4570S with 12GB RAM. :DAshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
The B450M Pro4 is a great motherboard, I had used one for a while. But now I have the B450M Mortar from MSI, and it's great too but I did notice it has really bad vDroop with manual overclocking. Doesn't bother me, since i don't do that.Death666Angel - Friday, June 28, 2019 - link
Late reply, but anyway: Since making the first post I've been following Buildzoid and he is very fond of the MSI B450M Mortar because of it's good VRM (heatsink mostly). And he doesn't like AsRock and their UEFI I think. Both the AsRock and the MSI Mortar have my needed components (mATX, 2 PCIe M.2 slots, decent performance). So if I don't get an X570 (if it's over 150 I think I'll pass for now), those are my go to's for Ryzen 3.Alexvrb - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
There was a good bit of ITX kit shown off too.AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
Yep! But I do hope these boards get the same Love as the ATX ones, because the 300 and 400 series mATX boards were a bit... crap compared to the full ATX ones (VRM, etc). As Death666Angel said below, this being an X570 (and not a B550) is a good sign :Drozquilla - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
Oh, this is great!!! Together with the ASUS Pro WS X570-Ace, having the option of non-childish motherboards means the manufacturers are listening to the grumpy grown-ups target too. I was very worried about the bling trend as the only option on the enthusiast level components.This ASRock looks great, might reconsider skipping the X570 due to the fan thanks to these two models.
Phynaz - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
Fans on chipsets are a fail.AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
No, not really. Fans on chipsets indicate PCI-E 4.0 has higher power requirements than 3.0, and this fan will likely only spin at higher RPM if you saturate, for example, two Gen4 4X M.2 SSDs at the same time. I will take a Fan on the chipset for the massive I/O capability X570 offers any day.AntonErtl - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
When we bought our Ryzen 1800X system, we used the Asrock A320M Pro4, because we don't need the additional I/O capabilities of the B350 or X370 chipsets, we were not interested in overclocking, and because Asrock (along with Asus) implements ECC functionality. But there are people who claim that boards with higher-end chipsets also have better VRMs. And indeed that board died last weekend, possibly due to some VRM failure (it was completely dead).So I guess buying an X570 board for a 3900X makes sense even if the I/O capabilities of the A320 (or its successor) would be sufficient. The X570M Pro4 therefore looks very interesting, and I eagerly await a review.
AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
A320 boards have the weakest VRM for sure. Honestly don't cheap out on a board with the highest end Ryzen 3900X. Also A320 will not support Ryzen 3000, AMD confirmed that already. For me the price difference between A320 and B350 was like £10-20, and I figured I would just buy the B350 because I *can* overclock it, if I ever wanted to run some tests or get a bit more performance. But then, Ryzen 2000 boost upgrade really removed any requirement for overclocking "X" Series CPUs, to get more performance :D. I love the 2700X for that. (But Precision Boost Overdrive is even better IMO).AshlayW - Friday, June 7, 2019 - link
I really don't think this is a real 8-phase on the Vcore side. Knowing Motherboard companies, and marketing and all that. I will reserve judgement until someone rips that Heatsink off and checks the components. Until then, I assume this is a 4-phase with two inductors per phase in parallel (not even a doubled). But even that is still perfectly fine for the currently announced Ryzen 3000 CPUs. When I did mess with manual overclocking a bit, I managed to get 4.25 GHz on all cores on my 2700 with 1.42V on a 4-phase (MSI B450M Mortar), and it was drawing nearly 200 Watts according to HWINFO64.