As usualy another great review. Looks like this may be the case for my next system! Not to advertise another site but there is another good review of this case online for those who want more information and another opinion, though equally positive:
We badly need an updated power supply review too. Most recent one from searching for "power" on the home page appears to be "2003 Power Supply Roundup Part II: Better Faster Cheaper" from Jul 31st, 2003.
The 12cm fans I have start at 3000 rpm, and go down from there. They're louder at 12v than nearly all 8cm fans, though you're correct this isn't true for all fans.
But you're still missing the point-- the reviewer is blaming the CASE for the noise, despite a cooling figure that obviously shows the fans are pumping much more air than those its being judged against.
12cm fans are almost invariably quieter than 8cm fans without any special effort. I don't know why you seem to think otherwise. I agree that if you were to run them at the same rpm, then yeah, a 12cm will be louder. But 12cm fans are almost always set at a fairly low rpm (in the low 2000 range), while 8cm fans tend to go 3500rpm and up (way up, the really noisy ones closing in on 6000rpm).
Perhaps you are thinking that all fans run the same speed at full voltage? No, they run at whatever speed they were made to run.
#20, Sure you can devolt a 12cm fan and get more airflow for less noise than an 8cm...but the reviewer didn't do that, now did he? He ran them full speed, chortled with glee at its resultant good cooling numbers, then expressed shock and awe that it was no quieter than a case equipped with smaller fans. Come again?
The fans CAN be quieter...they don't start out that way. The reviewer doesn't seem to understand why not.
How close does the CONCAVE door come to the front of the 5" bay filler plates? Would it impinge on the use of Mobile Drive Racks, hot-swap cages, or mounting an optical drive like the MSI X52 (retail version) which all protrude a bit from that when mounted properly?
. The reviewer should keep an eye to these practical matters without letting glandular secretions due to the enticements of swoopy aluminum color their thinking process ;) .
. Nobody really cares what their case is made of unless they spend all their time lugging it around - which no one is likely to do with a case of this size. If it's built well and doesn't look like the cat puked on it, we're happy. In fact, I prefer a steel chassis as it is less prone to noise transfer than Al.
. I too am desirous of a Berserker as linked above by johnsonx - a lot of case for the $$$. newegg also sells the front panel I/O option for it at ~$13...
This is a review of a TJ05, with the reviewer clearly getting confused.
And re: fan size vs. cfm vs. db. On average, a 120mm fan will flow 2x the amount a 80mm will flow at the same RPM, whilst generating slightly more noise. Hence you can happily run a 120mm fan on 5v and still get decent airflow. =)
I've been looking at these Silverstone cases myself; Newegg has a nice selection. I note that there is a version of the reviewed case without the front panel display for $20 less:
""The TJ03 Nimiz was a monstrous product that had great features, such as a sliding removable motherboard tray, a seemingly endless potential for expandability,"[/i]
[i] "The Bad
- No removable motherboard tray
"[/i]
? "
This is a review of the TJ05, which does not have a removeable tray, apparently, while the TJ03 does.
One other question..why is the reviewer "disappointed" in the sound figures for the case? Did he expect it to be quieter than a case with 80mm fans?
News flash-- larger fans are louder than smaller ones...at the same rpm. They're quieter at moving the same volume of air, but plug a 12cm and an 8cm fan into the same 12v supply, and the larger fan will be louder.
[i] "The TJ03 Nimiz was a monstrous product that had great features, such as a sliding removable motherboard tray, a seemingly endless potential for expandability,"[/i]
[i] "The Bad
- No removable motherboard tray
"[/i]
I appreciate the inclusion of more pictures showing the case with the components installed. For example, seeing a full size motherboard installed gives me a better feel for the actual dimensions of the case, and I can see how easy it would be to work inside of it. The highlighting of the space between the bottom of the power supply and the motherboard is also important to me, since you sometimes have to worry about CPU heatsinks overhanging the edge of the board, depending on how close to the motherboard edge the socket is placed.
"Though steel is a much cheaper alternative and would save money both to SilverStone and, in the end, its customers, we still believe that an entirely steel chassis would have appealed more to the masses."
The way that sentence is worded makes it very confusing.
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Locut0s - Tuesday, August 31, 2004 - link
As usualy another great review. Looks like this may be the case for my next system! Not to advertise another site but there is another good review of this case online for those who want more information and another opinion, though equally positive:http://www.pcunleash.com/bbs/zboard.php?id=MyItemR...
PuravSanghani - Saturday, August 28, 2004 - link
#30: If you feel there are typos and issues in the article, please do point them out and we will do our best to try and resolve them. Thanks.Mday - Saturday, August 28, 2004 - link
There are various typoes and issues with this article. Other than that... I give the article a 6.8/10.DonB - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
"Next case to review: Thermaltake Tsunami. ;) "We badly need an updated power supply review too. Most recent one from searching for "power" on the home page appears to be "2003 Power Supply Roundup Part II: Better Faster Cheaper" from Jul 31st, 2003.
johnsonx - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
OK, fair enough...masher - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
The 12cm fans I have start at 3000 rpm, and go down from there. They're louder at 12v than nearly all 8cm fans, though you're correct this isn't true for all fans.But you're still missing the point-- the reviewer is blaming the CASE for the noise, despite a cooling figure that obviously shows the fans are pumping much more air than those its being judged against.
johnsonx - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
#25:12cm fans are almost invariably quieter than 8cm fans without any special effort. I don't know why you seem to think otherwise. I agree that if you were to run them at the same rpm, then yeah, a 12cm will be louder. But 12cm fans are almost always set at a fairly low rpm (in the low 2000 range), while 8cm fans tend to go 3500rpm and up (way up, the really noisy ones closing in on 6000rpm).
Perhaps you are thinking that all fans run the same speed at full voltage? No, they run at whatever speed they were made to run.
masher - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
#20, Sure you can devolt a 12cm fan and get more airflow for less noise than an 8cm...but the reviewer didn't do that, now did he? He ran them full speed, chortled with glee at its resultant good cooling numbers, then expressed shock and awe that it was no quieter than a case equipped with smaller fans. Come again?The fans CAN be quieter...they don't start out that way. The reviewer doesn't seem to understand why not.
PuravSanghani - Thursday, August 26, 2004 - link
jm0ris0n: The designer of the TJ05 also designed the Wavemaster which results in the similarities.Zepper - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Apparently, jm0.., you didn't actually READ the review....bh.
jm0ris0n - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
This case is a rip-off of the coolermaster Wave series. http://www.coolermaster.com/index.php?LT=&Lang...Zepper - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
How close does the CONCAVE door come to the front of the 5" bay filler plates? Would it impinge on the use of Mobile Drive Racks, hot-swap cages, or mounting an optical drive like the MSI X52 (retail version) which all protrude a bit from that when mounted properly?. The reviewer should keep an eye to these practical matters without letting glandular secretions due to the enticements of swoopy aluminum color their thinking process ;) .
. Nobody really cares what their case is made of unless they spend all their time lugging it around - which no one is likely to do with a case of this size. If it's built well and doesn't look like the cat puked on it, we're happy. In fact, I prefer a steel chassis as it is less prone to noise transfer than Al.
. I too am desirous of a Berserker as linked above by johnsonx - a lot of case for the $$$. newegg also sells the front panel I/O option for it at ~$13...
.bh.
ryang - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
[quote]"This is a review of the TJ05, which does not have a removeable tray, apparently, while the TJ03 does."
oh. Oops
[/quote]
Uhh.. No. The TJ03 is a god ugly chassis (http://www.silverstonetek.com/images/photo/tj03/Pp...
This is a review of a TJ05, with the reviewer clearly getting confused.
And re: fan size vs. cfm vs. db. On average, a 120mm fan will flow 2x the amount a 80mm will flow at the same RPM, whilst generating slightly more noise. Hence you can happily run a 120mm fan on 5v and still get decent airflow. =)
JustAnAverageGuy - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
"This is a review of the TJ05, which does not have a removeable tray, apparently, while the TJ03 does."oh. Oops
johnsonx - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
I've been looking at these Silverstone cases myself; Newegg has a nice selection. I note that there is a version of the reviewed case without the front panel display for $20 less:http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc...
Silverstone also has some cheaper cases with many similar features; I'm considering the cheapest one on NewEgg for a server re-build project.
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?desc...
Schnook121 - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
damn i really like this case. Any idea where i can get one for cheap?? lolciwell - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Next case to review: Thermaltake Tsunami. ;)SUOrangeman - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Cooler Master StackerModal - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
""The TJ03 Nimiz was a monstrous product that had great features, such as a sliding removable motherboard tray, a seemingly endless potential for expandability,"[/i][i] "The Bad
- No removable motherboard tray
"[/i]
? "
This is a review of the TJ05, which does not have a removeable tray, apparently, while the TJ03 does.
masher - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
One other question..why is the reviewer "disappointed" in the sound figures for the case? Did he expect it to be quieter than a case with 80mm fans?News flash-- larger fans are louder than smaller ones...at the same rpm. They're quieter at moving the same volume of air, but plug a 12cm and an 8cm fan into the same 12v supply, and the larger fan will be louder.
masher - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Why does the reviewer call a concave door "convex"?JustAnAverageGuy - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
[i] "The TJ03 Nimiz was a monstrous product that had great features, such as a sliding removable motherboard tray, a seemingly endless potential for expandability,"[/i][i] "The Bad
- No removable motherboard tray
"[/i]
?
Modal - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Wow, that's a really nice looking case. Great review, and thanks for picking a non-ugly case to review this time. :)Almost makes me wish I had waited until now to build my machine... I like that case a lot better than my current one.
ciwell - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Finally a case that does not burn out your retinas by looking at it. Great review.P.S. Is there a Thermaltake Tsunami Case Review in our near future? :D
Spacecomber - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
I appreciate the inclusion of more pictures showing the case with the components installed. For example, seeing a full size motherboard installed gives me a better feel for the actual dimensions of the case, and I can see how easy it would be to work inside of it. The highlighting of the space between the bottom of the power supply and the motherboard is also important to me, since you sometimes have to worry about CPU heatsinks overhanging the edge of the board, depending on how close to the motherboard edge the socket is placed.Thanks for the review.
Space
skunkbuster - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
at least it looks better than the last one that was reviewed here.oupei - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
page 11, chart units should be "decibels"Operandi - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Agreed with #1...Deinonych - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
Looks like the author edited the sentence, so n/m.Deinonych - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
#2I agree. In context, it seems like the author meant to say "an entirely ALUMINUM chassis would have appealed more..."
ProviaFan - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
"Though steel is a much cheaper alternative and would save money both to SilverStone and, in the end, its customers, we still believe that an entirely steel chassis would have appealed more to the masses."The way that sentence is worded makes it very confusing.
shinerburke - Wednesday, August 25, 2004 - link
looks nice....too bad I refuse to buy cases with the brand name on them.