WD will no doubt be doing the same - they're arguably beating Samsung at the NVMe controller game these days, so I'll be looking forward to their entry.
True, but still WD is unable to compete with Samsung at high end. Just saw Galax also launched their PCIe 4.0 SSD with same Phison-E16 controller. So far we have 3 SSDs with E16 and 1 SSD with SM2267 controller. Eagerly waiting to see what Samsung and WD/Sandisk bring to table for PCI-e 4.0
yep, they can use 10lb of copper in every product, it mean jack shit if they are not stable "out of the box" and RMA overseas basically....nah, they need to do better.
When the 570 mobo reviews begin, it will be very interesting to know how the M.2 heatsinks / heatpipes on those work with the integral heatsinks on drives like this. Will they mate together, or interfere, etc.
So rather than designing a better product, they just slap-dash a cooler on it and then use the weight of the metal as a point that attempts to hide the heat output under a different numeric value. Good going people, no one will analyze that even a little bit.
Yes I'm serious. SSDs need to work in laptops because of the decline of desktop hardware sales and their corner use cases (expensive and small numbers of gaming boxes and a few professional workstations) and relying on a bulky heatsink to keep the drive from suffering from thermal death is a stupid move in a world where the standard corporate and home computer is some sort of laptop PC.
DyneCorp just ignore PeachNcream he does not know what he is talking about (but clearly things he does). Of course SSDs should be able to work in laptop but you seem to be thinking cutting edge PCIe gen4 NVMe drives meant for severs and desktop applications have to be work in laptops to be viable. That is not the case. There are not any laptops on the market that even support PCIe gen4 nor have any even been announced (that I have seen). Laptops will of course come out that support the new standard but also of course SSDs that support these applications will come out in the same time frame.
I don't have enough hands to facepalm an adequate amount for what you just did and its clear to me that even after you read your comment over again and try to consider the context in which you made it, you likely won't get it.
What makes you think they are not designing a better product? This is simple the best product they could get out in this time frame. I don't need to explain to you why a company and consumers will take some inconvenience to get the latest tech now rather than waiting for better stuff to come out. Also what is there to analyze??"Good going people, no one will analyze that even a little bit." They mention the weight of the metal. There is not much other info they can give. Other cooling specs depend on what's around the drive and get too technical.
What makes you think the performance can be improved by removing the heatsink? Also without a heatsink or a direct stream of cold air flowing over the drive it will probably thermal throttle or burn up.
I mean what do you expect? How would you make it smaller? The heatsink in the photos is just a few mm think peace of mental surround the drive. The only way it could be smaller would be for a single heatsink to be apoxeed to the controller chip. Which would look weird. Also that may not allow for enough cooling in applications where cooling to the drive is restricted because it's say mounted under a GPU. Also there are the looks, anything smaller would not cover the drive and not look as "clean" to most people.
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Valantar - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
Care to elaborate on which drive _wasn't_ based on the Phison reference design? Was it still using the same controller?Chaitanya - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
Until Samsung comes out with their own PCI-E 4.0 drives all these drives will be based on same Phison controller.Valantar - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
WD will no doubt be doing the same - they're arguably beating Samsung at the NVMe controller game these days, so I'll be looking forward to their entry.Chaitanya - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
True, but still WD is unable to compete with Samsung at high end. Just saw Galax also launched their PCIe 4.0 SSD with same Phison-E16 controller. So far we have 3 SSDs with E16 and 1 SSD with SM2267 controller. Eagerly waiting to see what Samsung and WD/Sandisk bring to table for PCI-e 4.0jabbadap - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
Adata uses Silicon Motion sm2267 controller for their first gen 4 drive.https://www.anandtech.com/show/14458/adata-shows-o...
willis936 - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
Gigabyte marketing has been touting amounts of copper used in their products since before I was building computers, more than 10 years ago.Dragonstongue - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
yep, they can use 10lb of copper in every product, it mean jack shit if they are not stable "out of the box" and RMA overseas basically....nah, they need to do better.Arbie - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
When the 570 mobo reviews begin, it will be very interesting to know how the M.2 heatsinks / heatpipes on those work with the integral heatsinks on drives like this. Will they mate together, or interfere, etc.nevcairiel - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
Interfer or course. Hopefully it's removable.PeachNCream - Tuesday, June 4, 2019 - link
So rather than designing a better product, they just slap-dash a cooler on it and then use the weight of the metal as a point that attempts to hide the heat output under a different numeric value. Good going people, no one will analyze that even a little bit.DyneCorp - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
What, are you serious? Why don't you create a better product?PeachNCream - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
Yes I'm serious. SSDs need to work in laptops because of the decline of desktop hardware sales and their corner use cases (expensive and small numbers of gaming boxes and a few professional workstations) and relying on a bulky heatsink to keep the drive from suffering from thermal death is a stupid move in a world where the standard corporate and home computer is some sort of laptop PC.Skeptical123 - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
DyneCorp just ignore PeachNcream he does not know what he is talking about (but clearly things he does). Of course SSDs should be able to work in laptop but you seem to be thinking cutting edge PCIe gen4 NVMe drives meant for severs and desktop applications have to be work in laptops to be viable. That is not the case. There are not any laptops on the market that even support PCIe gen4 nor have any even been announced (that I have seen). Laptops will of course come out that support the new standard but also of course SSDs that support these applications will come out in the same time frame.PeachNCream - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
I don't have enough hands to facepalm an adequate amount for what you just did and its clear to me that even after you read your comment over again and try to consider the context in which you made it, you likely won't get it.Skeptical123 - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
What makes you think they are not designing a better product? This is simple the best product they could get out in this time frame. I don't need to explain to you why a company and consumers will take some inconvenience to get the latest tech now rather than waiting for better stuff to come out. Also what is there to analyze??"Good going people, no one will analyze that even a little bit." They mention the weight of the metal. There is not much other info they can give. Other cooling specs depend on what's around the drive and get too technical.Foeketijn - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
It wouldn't be the first time, when reviewers find the performance can be improved by removing the heatsink.Skeptical123 - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
What makes you think the performance can be improved by removing the heatsink? Also without a heatsink or a direct stream of cold air flowing over the drive it will probably thermal throttle or burn up.edzieba - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
For a mere 8W, that is a hilariously overspecced heatsink.Skeptical123 - Wednesday, June 5, 2019 - link
I mean what do you expect? How would you make it smaller? The heatsink in the photos is just a few mm think peace of mental surround the drive. The only way it could be smaller would be for a single heatsink to be apoxeed to the controller chip. Which would look weird. Also that may not allow for enough cooling in applications where cooling to the drive is restricted because it's say mounted under a GPU. Also there are the looks, anything smaller would not cover the drive and not look as "clean" to most people.