Currently great camera is a huge factor for premium phones and one plus has not been up to the big players for a long time, but still somehow people rate this phone better than a pixel phone. Every other Android manufacturers either lag behind or totally behind security or software updates and one plus is one among them. On a daily end user level scale, one plus is only as fast as the SOC and the Android version in it. Price is the only factor that I find some advantage in buying one plus.
Not only that, but $670 for the base model (I'm only considering the Pro as you "can't get" the 7 in the US) is hardly a "flagship killer". That honor would more properly belong to something like the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3, at $470 on AliExpress.
Wth guys you can just download the Gcam and there you go, a better camera. And just saying, the camera isn't as bad as everyone says. Actually, it's pretty great. And about the price, it's half the price of the iPhone XS Max (with tax) so yea. It's a flagship killer. So cut off the bullshyt and go get yourself a OnePlus 7 Pro.
i don't get this "..should have a better camera" thing. most users can't even tell what "f/2.0 lens" mean. for me, as long as it takes a clear photo, without the shakes then it's a "better" camera.
i've owned every Samsung (for once never got any software updates) flagship since the S3 came out and found that OnePlus gets software updates whenever it's available.
I have a OnePlus 6T. The camera beats and iPhone 6S in dxomark. For me, that's "Good Enough". Freaking out over a compromise camera (cellphone cameras are ALWAYS compromise cameras) just shows that the reviewer has no perspective on life. I enjoy the on-screen fingerprint reader, the fantastic battery life, and the generous RAM & Flash Storage and the OLED screen, all at a great price.
As someone who switched from a wireless charging phone to a OnePlus with insanely fast Dash charging, I genuinely prefer the later. I just don’t have to worry about charging my phone anymore. I’ve been on this phone for 1.5 years now and I’m still in awe every time I charge it because of it’s speed. I read about it at https://casinovalley.ca/best-picks/best-gambling-p... Most of the time I plug it in when I’m getting ready to head out and in 10 minutes it charges up to a point that I don’t need to worry about battery throughout the day. Wireless charging would be a nice bonus, but considering how slow it used to be comparatively, I’d still never actually use it.
No mention of the terrible stuttering when the phone is in 90Hz mode and you play a 60FPS video? OnePlus claims the display's refresh rate is adaptive to the content yet it cannot smoothly "adapt" to play a 60FPS video.
By far the biggest complaint I have with the phone - If I want to watch a 60FPS video without terrible stutter, I have to go to the options and switch the display to 60Hz mode before, then switch it back to 90Hz mode after.
Hi Xaban this is bad news. I guess I'll wait for a phone with 120Hz display. 120Hz divides cleanly with 24, 30 and 60 so videos with those numbers should be smooth.
Has anyone observed color shifting on curve edges? The Curve in display should not be overwhelming. Except for Note 9 I have seen that in most Curved displays The amount of curvature given to the display needs to be in limit
I think the abysmal White Balance of Pictures taken needs to be addressed & Even the variable refresh rate of screen needs to be upgraded in line with Apples Don't think so it would be that tough to do that
There is definitely color shifting on my OP7P, especially at the curves. The color shift in general is notably worse than on my Pixel 3, which interestingly was an LG panel vs. Samsung on the OP7P.
That said, it's not Pixel 2 XL level bad, which was flat out terrible. I couldn't accept the P2XL's shift and returned it. My OP7P is acceptable and I've been really happy with the phone, mediocre camera and all.
I think it's unfair to call the OP7P pricing "premium". It's no longer "cheap", for sure, but to get similar specs Samsung or Pixel will run you $1000, $300 more than the OP7P.
This is absolutely not true, galaxy s10/s10+ can be found a lot cheaper now and I am not even talking about contracts with mobile operators that will reduce the price even further going below opo 7 pro (and is not an option for opo 7 pro).
The phone tries to achieve smoothness of IOS but loses on polishing on the UI There are some bugs which can be addressed but I'm not sure whether they will address battery & camera issues
Definitely not, UFS 3.0 is about 50% faster in random IO. The S10+ in the benchmark can be a fluke, especially if they were testing the 1TB model as there would be a lot less fragmentation (plus more RAM).
Then price difference. Next Samsung Note 10 will use UFS 3.0, will be interesting what happens there.
And remember it's a standard, not an exact definition, OnePlus just needs to reach UFS 3.0 standard minimums for the connector/type, doesn't mean they have to implement the max capable. Same as SATA 3 random random IO still isn't maxed, since the drives themselves can't max the link, that's the wrong bottleneck.
because that is what you call avoiding clipping the highlights. I prefer this style or processing as a blown out highlight is dead giveaway that a camera is digital or cheap digital, clipping to white. in conventional cameras, there is an auto exposure setting called highlight priority with a similar affect, only drastically darker images than HDR in phones. this is the priority but they can't simply lift the shadows/dark regions for a brighter image as it will affect the contrast, making a flat image.
I don't know about you, but usually when I go out in the real world, I get blinded by the sun rather than having issues to see anything because it's too dark in broad daylight.
Consequently, cameras should actually capture the real world rather than something akin to a dark sunglasses filter.
Really? I see that as a limitation of the eye's exposure compensation(similarly a camera could capture more in darkness than the human eye through extending exposures), while a camera should always aim for a set exposure value for a given metering method, but maybe that type of thinking is too old-school.
Ever since I started shooting DNG on Gcam my only complaint about the algorithm left is the presence of concentric ring shaped artifacts in difficult light, sometimes.
I should add that even if exposure's off by two stops everything could be losslessly recovered, mid-low ISO DNG from Gcam have at least that much latitude. Also dehazing (crucial to my phone camera whose cover glass now often retains grease) and sharpening can be applied with much leisure yielding minimal artifacts, I now usually start with 20 dehaze and 70 sharpening(LR default is 40) actually, as long as it's for phone screen viewing.
Nitpick. "At 30W / 5A for a 4000mAh battery, this means a peak charging rate of 1.25 Coulomb which is well above the commonly agreed peak rated limit of 1C." C-rate for battery charging/discharging does not stand for Coulomb. Coulomb is a measure of charge. a 4000mAh battery is able to move 4amps(60)(60) Coulombs. amps=coulombs/second
Additionally, it is essentially heat that hurts batteries regardless of charging rates. One PLus' implementation of rapid charging might be less harmful or the same as other fast charging techniques
Correct and at the same time wrong. Yes, heat degrades batteries faster, but it's not the only factor. How fast you put charge in the battery also leads to degradation. Enough materials on the web to explain in details - google it.
I bought that phone, tested it for about 30 minutes, then sent it back. The curved display is just not for me, especially because they made it so much more curved than on Samsung phones. 1. Things tend to "fall off" the edges and give the impression that the screen is too narrow, it's annoying. 2. Colors are shifted on the edges, especially if you don't hold the phone exactly parallel to your eyes. White appears grayish green. 3. Glare is more frequent as light can be reflected not only from the front of the display, but also from its sides.
It is good to know that this phone does come with compromises built in, unlike some other sites that make you believe that this phone (like the phone released a week ago) is going to change the whole industry, just because it is cheap.
Some points 1. Do you have some power measurements at peak sustained power or it has been done before ? -> Am I the only one who thinks that increasing performance on mobile, by implementing heat pipes, coper plates and fans, and run it all as hot as possible is just ridiculous ?!? 2. This device supposedly comes without display lamination ! Can someone confirm/deny ? OLED's will get destroyed when exposed to humidity. 3. Regarding high refresh rates, we really need an Apple implementation- custom T-CON, GPU regulating the refresh and continuously variable refresh rate in a wide range (like 24-120 fps) to save energy. To my knowledge this is possible thanks to IGZO backplane iPad pro uses. And no OLED panel is using that yet. Is there a compatibility problem ?
I could not care less about the camera and the rest looks like an amazing package(bar lack of 3.5mm), but this is a skip for me because WiFi 6 is on the horizon and I'm going all in when it arrives.
If I was looking for a new phone right now, this would be the obvious one (I love my OnePlus 5T), but it looks like the price has creeped up to near top-end pricing. Not only that, but OnePlus seems to realize that too with the OnePlus 7 and 7 Pro. Unfortunately the 7 is not available in my market, which is very frustrating. I'd have to pay for a battery-sapping screen and 2 additional novelty cameras that I'd never use.
All in, if I broke my current phone tomorrow I'd have to go on a hunt for my new phone instead of just going back to OnePlus because this phone is just too expensive and it's only too expensive because of those gimmicks.
I had this around a week and they were great things about it, but many things I didn't like so returned it.
The screen was great and apps installed at an amazing pace, the UI was lovely but to many negatives. The camera was so erratic and one minute would take a nice photo, then the next would have washed out colors and lacked detail and sharpness when slightly zoomed in. A lot of the time my old S7 took more reliable photos and my wife's 6T was also better. I know this could get better with fixes, but was too poor out of the box.
The sides of the screen also got massive reflections outside and the inbuilt screen protector was rubbish. In a week of light use, it was covered in indention's from my nail and also stated getting air bubbles. So you couldn't even appreciate the lovely screen and there wasn't any 3rd party ones available.
The final thing which is subjective is the weight, it felt so heavy one-handed.
I then got a s10+ and and couldn't be happier with in comparison. I got a big discount for my old bashed up S7, so only paid £40 more. I hope OnePlus can get it together for their next phone as love their approach and really didn't want to get another Samsung
With this phone OnePlus went full marketing mumbojumbo.
They spent a lot of cash on that only and while sidetracking all the negatives this phone has. 90Hz is a gimmick, so many people don't want that. Instead they want a phone which is marked at $700 these -
- A 3.5mm headphone jack, (How come the 6T dropped the jack saying no space for the finger print scanner while they crammed a motorized camera into the chassis, It's plain BS as always with Apple or any company, Note had S-Pen, LG has Display fused OLED crystal sound with proper ToF camera with an ESS DAC equipped phone)
- No SD card slot, No don't say cloud or 256GB, I have a ton of data on my PC FHD high bitrate movies, 4K UHD recording directly to SD card pictures to SD card, High quality recording of Audio through Stereo and high bitrate likes of LG, Emulators, FLAC/DSD files etc and top of all, a fully reliable offline cheap storage which just works and offers expansion as per user choice from 128GB to 1TB.
- No IP rating, No the damn shilled tests from Dave2D or MHBHD aren't going to cut it, the IEC conventions are internationally agreed standards not some bs offscreen tests saying it increases price and all rubbish kool-aid.
- Trash camera
- No QI wireless charging, glass back and peanuts charging, they don't wnat to give because they want to milk with all these features barring the jack for another refresh or new unit.
- No price cuts, OP phones never get a price cut, today you can buy an SD835 (By no means a problem) phones like S8+ for 500USD which has everything more than this gimmick phone, LG phones see price cuts, got my V30S for far less price under 500USD which outperforms in all features, Yes even the BL unlock, coming to that, S9 and Note 9 are cheaper at $600USD which again rape this phone to oblivion esp Exynos models which have BL unlock. And the latest S10 is already seeing discounts, and once Black Friday hits the G8 and all phones will drop price.
Next is Zenfone6 that phone is making waves apart from the mediocre LCD display (No pentile, so FHD is fine but the brightness is not enough) and it has 3.5mm jack, Stereo speakers, a big arse 5000MaH battery without this over charging current rate.
Huge thanks to Andrei a lot for this piece on this stupid overdrive current charging done by Oneplus, fools at many blogs and youtube shills refuse to believe me that over high currrent charging is insane simply due to the cathode-anode reactions and faster degradation, esp this is why we need Qi not battery raping marketing BS. These oneplus garbage phones always overcharge and do this rubbish, look at QC with Samsung/LG/Sony any company apart from this and Huawei have that, Apple even sandbags the battery death by reducing the CPU perf. This BS is not seen my 99% of the people and they end up with junk on top of the non user replaceable batteries.
So all in all this is an overpriced "toy" not a proper pocket PC / Powerful computer in your hand.
Edit - Zenfone 6 specs include - it also got UFS storage unlike Pixel 3a with eMMC trash, an SD855 a great camera than this junk well, at-least from the users, an SD slot, Bootloader unlock and highest SKU is less than 600USD (8GB/256GB)
I agree especially on the LCD display. I have a lot of praise for OLED until I got it for the first time in the S8+. It is easily not as sharp as my Nexus 5. Every time I open the Nexus 5, I'm taken away how sharp and clean the display is versus the AMOLED S8. I have late 30's eyes. I'd rather take an LCD display for my next phone as long it is reasonably priced vs premium OLED phones.
I disagree with your fast charging criticism though. I'm no battery enthusiast, if rapid charging kills batteries, then we should not see them in electric vehicles such as Tesla cars. My Nexus 5 doesn't have rapid charging tech but my second battery is, again, bulging with less capacity. It does heat a lot though with Data turned and/or during gaming. Certainly, it is heat is the detrimental effect and heat is only the effect of fast charging
> if rapid charging kills batteries, then we should not see them in electric vehicles such as Tesla cars.
Tesla batteries are also gigantic (In comparison to a regular wall outlet power) and designed to handle that.
We've had a smartphone vendor who promoted one of these super-high charging rate confirm some pretty atrocious long-term capacity degradation, while something like Samsung's degradation curve was like 20% higher in terms of retained capacity after the same amount of cycles.
I refer to Tesla's Superchargers where a Model 3 can charge to 80 percent in 30 minutes. A Supercharger charges its battery cells as fast as quick charging smartphones. OP can afford a faster charging rate than Qualcomm's QC because there is no voltage conversion happening in OP's phone, thus less heat. The only drawback only works with OP's charger and thick cable.
sorry it's been years but hopefully the future readership realizes that TESLA herself encourages you to NOT supercharge the car constantly as that would increase the degradation as well as well-reported constant fleet usage of supercharge style system has shown degradation.
I will always prefer my AMOLED displays in phones. OLEDs have the advantage of having much higher contrast than LCD, because individual pixels can be turned fully off, creating true black. There's no LCD that can do that. LED LCDs come close, but only because you can turn off zones of the LED backlight.
Also, colour calibration makes an image look better than the display tech. If the Nexus 5 had better calibration, then it would definitely be a better display. I know Samsung TVs always have too much blue (I've calibrated a few of them), it's possible their phone displays have a bit too much blue too.
That's what I thought which led me to buy the Samsung. I realized, the infinite contrast has little value to me except watching movies in darkness. The sharpness of the LCD over the pen-tile AMOLED is noticeable with text, sharper edges with LCDs. Images from my DSLRs or conventional cameras are also sharper on the N5. White background in AMOLED never convinced me, feels rough or dirty. I checked today, looked at my Samsung around 4 inches away, I can notice multicolored very tiny noise-like pixels. The Nexus 5 has one of the best calibrated displays during its time. I'm just saying LCDs superior to AMOLEDs in image sharpness alone
Really? Bezel-less curved front, glass back, flagship CPU, all those camera lenses, nearly a 7 inch screen, and you don't want to call it premium? If we can't call a 6.67" phone with flagship design and specs premium, then the word means "Samsung and Apple's most expensive phones" and is effectively useless.
I noticed stuttered scrolling in certain apps with my OP7P, namely some news apps. Is it due to apps not optimized for 90hz or just Oneplus did a poor job switching between 60hz and 90hz (my OP7P is set to 90hz)?
Sorry in advance if this sounds like I'm being picky, but being an HTC owner, it's a little disappointing not to see a single HTC phone in the benchmarks. I'm due an upgrade in four months so being able to see comparative performance would've been very useful.
These days, it isn't a phone with a camera perk as much as it is a camera with a phone perk. You have to get the camera right and that means not leaving it until last. Design the phone around the camera, not the camera around the phone.
Other than that, it is the usual list of Never Settle OnePlus's things you have to settle for -- no SD, now headphone jack (despite their own users clamoring to keep it), and now a fully glass device with no wireless charging to justify it.
Great review, that depth and detail is outstanding.
I'd have loved the display size, resolution and refresh rate, but with the stupid curved display and the silly pop-up camera, it falls off the cliff, before money even matters.
Too bad the non-plus doesn't have these aces to play.
Actually if that had the resolution and the refresh even without the extra size, it could do really well with my LeEco VR frame for VR or 3D movies on longer flights or train rides.
The LeEco Le Max2 proves the extra resolution right but the 820 SoC could benefit from an 855 update and the OnePlus 5 shows its 1920x1080 pentile resolution centimeters from the eye while VR really benefits from speed and refresh.
I'd like some words on desktop mode support or if external DP is supported natively or via DisplayLink... These devices certainly have enough horse power for desktop work and if you need to pay those prices, not having to buy a slower Chrome- or Notebook certainly helps.
So I'll just stick with the 5 and see if reason returns.
It's $1000. No front speakers = no buy. No quick wireless charging = no buy. No waterproofing = no buy. No headphone jack = no buy. No extended battery options = no buy. I would accept some of these things, but not all of them. If I want a phone with no holepunch, I would rather get the $300 Realme X or $500 Zenfone 6 or Reno Zoom instead. I paid $50 total for my current LG G6 (byop). Repeat after me: I am not going to spend $1000 on a phone with MISSING FEATURES. "I am not going to spend $1000 on a phone with MISSING FEATURES."
Also, call me crazy but until there's something better, I would enjoy an IR blaster.
I miss the days when these were $299 or whatever they were at launch. Time to move onto other brands. Another example is the Xiaomi Redmi K20, will be ~$300 USD
Oneplus 7 pro camera is incredible compared to my previous phone. The one thing I like the most about my phone is its glass back. But it already got some scratches so to protect it from further scratches, I applied an Ebony wood skin from gadgetshieldz
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hadrons - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Currently great camera is a huge factor for premium phones and one plus has not been up to the big players for a long time, but still somehow people rate this phone better than a pixel phone. Every other Android manufacturers either lag behind or totally behind security or software updates and one plus is one among them. On a daily end user level scale, one plus is only as fast as the SOC and the Android version in it. Price is the only factor that I find some advantage in buying one plus.1_rick - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Not only that, but $670 for the base model (I'm only considering the Pro as you "can't get" the 7 in the US) is hardly a "flagship killer". That honor would more properly belong to something like the Xiaomi Mi Mix 3, at $470 on AliExpress.MrSpadge - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
... or the Mi9, starting at 400€ in Germany (equivalent to ~400$ in the US).ilaicohen - Saturday, July 27, 2019 - link
Wth guys you can just download the Gcam and there you go, a better camera. And just saying, the camera isn't as bad as everyone says. Actually, it's pretty great. And about the price, it's half the price of the iPhone XS Max (with tax) so yea. It's a flagship killer. So cut off the bullshyt and go get yourself a OnePlus 7 Pro.badbanana - Tuesday, June 25, 2019 - link
i don't get this "..should have a better camera" thing. most users can't even tell what "f/2.0 lens" mean. for me, as long as it takes a clear photo, without the shakes then it's a "better" camera.i've owned every Samsung (for once never got any software updates) flagship since the S3 came out and found that OnePlus gets software updates whenever it's available.
systemBuilder - Friday, July 19, 2019 - link
I have a OnePlus 6T. The camera beats and iPhone 6S in dxomark. For me, that's "Good Enough". Freaking out over a compromise camera (cellphone cameras are ALWAYS compromise cameras) just shows that the reviewer has no perspective on life. I enjoy the on-screen fingerprint reader, the fantastic battery life, and the generous RAM & Flash Storage and the OLED screen, all at a great price.johansyren - Tuesday, November 10, 2020 - link
As someone who switched from a wireless charging phone to a OnePlus with insanely fast Dash charging, I genuinely prefer the later. I just don’t have to worry about charging my phone anymore. I’ve been on this phone for 1.5 years now and I’m still in awe every time I charge it because of it’s speed.
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Most of the time I plug it in when I’m getting ready to head out and in 10 minutes it charges up to a point that I don’t need to worry about battery throughout the day. Wireless charging would be a nice bonus, but considering how slow it used to be comparatively, I’d still never actually use it.
Roy2002 - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
It is a great phone, wish it has better cameras.XabanakFanatik - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
No mention of the terrible stuttering when the phone is in 90Hz mode and you play a 60FPS video? OnePlus claims the display's refresh rate is adaptive to the content yet it cannot smoothly "adapt" to play a 60FPS video.By far the biggest complaint I have with the phone - If I want to watch a 60FPS video without terrible stutter, I have to go to the options and switch the display to 60Hz mode before, then switch it back to 90Hz mode after.
Xinn3r - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Now that's a deal breakerRSAUser - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Didn't they release a day one software fix for this? Remember reading something about it.XabanakFanatik - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I have not seen any attempts to fix this, and I have checked after every update (two so far since launch day) to see if it is fixed.It is not yet resolved.
Dorkaman - Sunday, June 30, 2019 - link
Hi Xaban this is bad news. I guess I'll wait for a phone with 120Hz display. 120Hz divides cleanly with 24, 30 and 60 so videos with those numbers should be smooth.packers - Monday, July 8, 2019 - link
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Kishoreshack - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Has anyone observed color shifting on curve edges?The Curve in display should not be overwhelming.
Except for Note 9 I have seen that in most Curved displays
The amount of curvature given to the display needs to be in limit
I think the abysmal White Balance of Pictures taken needs to be addressed
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Even the variable refresh rate of screen needs to be upgraded in line with Apples
Don't think so it would be that tough to do that
warreo - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
There is definitely color shifting on my OP7P, especially at the curves. The color shift in general is notably worse than on my Pixel 3, which interestingly was an LG panel vs. Samsung on the OP7P.That said, it's not Pixel 2 XL level bad, which was flat out terrible. I couldn't accept the P2XL's shift and returned it. My OP7P is acceptable and I've been really happy with the phone, mediocre camera and all.
s.yu - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I wonder if one could drill a hole in the frame and add a 3.5mm port through jump wire or something.melgross - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Oh, just get over it.Lord of the Bored - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
NEVER!rohitghali - Sunday, October 13, 2019 - link
The only reason I'm not buying this phone is the jack.Kishoreshack - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
One plus is a Solid Phonebut
Do you think the Premium Price tag just for the display is justified?
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Compared to the regular OnePlus 7, yes it's justified, at least for me.warreo - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I think it's unfair to call the OP7P pricing "premium". It's no longer "cheap", for sure, but to get similar specs Samsung or Pixel will run you $1000, $300 more than the OP7P.1_rick - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
$700 is absolutely a premium price, when mid-tier phones cost half as muchjordanclock - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Just because the price ceiling has been rising doesn't mean the minimum to call a phone premium has followed suit.cha0z_ - Monday, July 1, 2019 - link
This is absolutely not true, galaxy s10/s10+ can be found a lot cheaper now and I am not even talking about contracts with mobile operators that will reduce the price even further going below opo 7 pro (and is not an option for opo 7 pro).Kishoreshack - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
The phone tries to achieve smoothness of IOS but loses on polishing on the UIThere are some bugs which can be addressed
but I'm not sure whether they will address
battery
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camera issues
Kishoreshack - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
UFS 3.0 ZERO IS JUST A GIMMICKAS it faulters in Random I/O
S10+ plus performs better than it
One Plus is slowly becoming a Marketing Gimmick Phone
RSAUser - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Definitely not, UFS 3.0 is about 50% faster in random IO. The S10+ in the benchmark can be a fluke, especially if they were testing the 1TB model as there would be a lot less fragmentation (plus more RAM).Then price difference. Next Samsung Note 10 will use UFS 3.0, will be interesting what happens there.
And remember it's a standard, not an exact definition, OnePlus just needs to reach UFS 3.0 standard minimums for the connector/type, doesn't mean they have to implement the max capable. Same as SATA 3 random random IO still isn't maxed, since the drives themselves can't max the link, that's the wrong bottleneck.
Teckk - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
So the jump from 6/128 GB to 8 GB/128 is only 30$? But an additional 4 GB RAM is 100$ more?Teckk - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
* 8/256 not 128tdrsy - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Looks like Oneplus camera went for Pixel like processing and darker pictures. Most of the pictures were closest to Pixel compared to others.Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Correct.Now I know people say that the Pixel's processing is the best in the world but I find it terrible in this regard.
zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
because that is what you call avoiding clipping the highlights. I prefer this style or processing as a blown out highlight is dead giveaway that a camera is digital or cheap digital, clipping to white.in conventional cameras, there is an auto exposure setting called highlight priority with a similar affect, only drastically darker images than HDR in phones.
this is the priority but they can't simply lift the shadows/dark regions for a brighter image as it will affect the contrast, making a flat image.
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I don't know about you, but usually when I go out in the real world, I get blinded by the sun rather than having issues to see anything because it's too dark in broad daylight.Consequently, cameras should actually capture the real world rather than something akin to a dark sunglasses filter.
s.yu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Really? I see that as a limitation of the eye's exposure compensation(similarly a camera could capture more in darkness than the human eye through extending exposures), while a camera should always aim for a set exposure value for a given metering method, but maybe that type of thinking is too old-school.s.yu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Ever since I started shooting DNG on Gcam my only complaint about the algorithm left is the presence of concentric ring shaped artifacts in difficult light, sometimes.s.yu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I should add that even if exposure's off by two stops everything could be losslessly recovered, mid-low ISO DNG from Gcam have at least that much latitude. Also dehazing (crucial to my phone camera whose cover glass now often retains grease) and sharpening can be applied with much leisure yielding minimal artifacts, I now usually start with 20 dehaze and 70 sharpening(LR default is 40) actually, as long as it's for phone screen viewing.serpretetsky - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Nitpick. "At 30W / 5A for a 4000mAh battery, this means a peak charging rate of 1.25 Coulomb which is well above the commonly agreed peak rated limit of 1C." C-rate for battery charging/discharging does not stand for Coulomb. Coulomb is a measure of charge. a 4000mAh battery is able to move 4amps(60)(60) Coulombs. amps=coulombs/secondAndrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Thanks, brain-fart on my side.zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Additionally, it is essentially heat that hurts batteries regardless of charging rates. One PLus' implementation of rapid charging might be less harmful or the same as other fast charging techniquescha0z_ - Monday, July 1, 2019 - link
Correct and at the same time wrong. Yes, heat degrades batteries faster, but it's not the only factor. How fast you put charge in the battery also leads to degradation. Enough materials on the web to explain in details - google it.ZoZo - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I bought that phone, tested it for about 30 minutes, then sent it back.The curved display is just not for me, especially because they made it so much more curved than on Samsung phones.
1. Things tend to "fall off" the edges and give the impression that the screen is too narrow, it's annoying.
2. Colors are shifted on the edges, especially if you don't hold the phone exactly parallel to your eyes. White appears grayish green.
3. Glare is more frequent as light can be reflected not only from the front of the display, but also from its sides.
What a waste.
ZoZo - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I'll just add that I don't understand how most reviewers overlooked these problems. Is it just me?RSAUser - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Nope, I hate pretty much all curves besides 2.5D since it makes it easier to grip, but it doesn't mean the image display itself has to be curved.GC2:CS - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
It is good to know that this phone does come with compromises built in, unlike some other sites that make you believe that this phone (like the phone released a week ago) is going to change the whole industry, just because it is cheap.Some points
1. Do you have some power measurements at peak sustained power or it has been done before ?
-> Am I the only one who thinks that increasing performance on mobile, by implementing heat pipes, coper plates and fans, and run it all as hot as possible is just ridiculous ?!?
2. This device supposedly comes without display lamination ! Can someone confirm/deny ? OLED's will get destroyed when exposed to humidity.
3. Regarding high refresh rates, we really need an Apple implementation- custom T-CON, GPU regulating the refresh and continuously variable refresh rate in a wide range (like 24-120 fps) to save energy. To my knowledge this is possible thanks to IGZO backplane iPad pro uses. And no OLED panel is using that yet. Is there a compatibility problem ?
martixy - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I could not care less about the camera and the rest looks like an amazing package(bar lack of 3.5mm), but this is a skip for me because WiFi 6 is on the horizon and I'm going all in when it arrives.Flunk - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
If I was looking for a new phone right now, this would be the obvious one (I love my OnePlus 5T), but it looks like the price has creeped up to near top-end pricing. Not only that, but OnePlus seems to realize that too with the OnePlus 7 and 7 Pro. Unfortunately the 7 is not available in my market, which is very frustrating. I'd have to pay for a battery-sapping screen and 2 additional novelty cameras that I'd never use.All in, if I broke my current phone tomorrow I'd have to go on a hunt for my new phone instead of just going back to OnePlus because this phone is just too expensive and it's only too expensive because of those gimmicks.
syxbit - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
>>This is not only because it’s OnePlus’ first ever 1440p screen which is a great improvement in sharpness,Can you tell the difference between 1080p and 1440p on a 6" device?
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Yes, very much.DillholeMcRib - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Can I flash this damn thing and run WIndows ARM on it?Jez1 - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
I had this around a week and they were great things about it, but many things I didn't like so returned it.The screen was great and apps installed at an amazing pace, the UI was lovely but to many negatives. The camera was so erratic and one minute would take a nice photo, then the next would have washed out colors and lacked detail and sharpness when slightly zoomed in. A lot of the time my old S7 took more reliable photos and my wife's 6T was also better. I know this could get better with fixes, but was too poor out of the box.
The sides of the screen also got massive reflections outside and the inbuilt screen protector was rubbish. In a week of light use, it was covered in indention's from my nail and also stated getting air bubbles. So you couldn't even appreciate the lovely screen and there wasn't any 3rd party ones available.
The final thing which is subjective is the weight, it felt so heavy one-handed.
I then got a s10+ and and couldn't be happier with in comparison. I got a big discount for my old bashed up S7, so only paid £40 more. I hope OnePlus can get it together for their next phone as love their approach and really didn't want to get another Samsung
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
With this phone OnePlus went full marketing mumbojumbo.They spent a lot of cash on that only and while sidetracking all the negatives this phone has. 90Hz is a gimmick, so many people don't want that. Instead they want a phone which is marked at $700 these -
- A 3.5mm headphone jack, (How come the 6T dropped the jack saying no space for the finger print scanner while they crammed a motorized camera into the chassis, It's plain BS as always with Apple or any company, Note had S-Pen, LG has Display fused OLED crystal sound with proper ToF camera with an ESS DAC equipped phone)
- No SD card slot, No don't say cloud or 256GB, I have a ton of data on my PC FHD high bitrate movies, 4K UHD recording directly to SD card pictures to SD card, High quality recording of Audio through Stereo and high bitrate likes of LG, Emulators, FLAC/DSD files etc and top of all, a fully reliable offline cheap storage which just works and offers expansion as per user choice from 128GB to 1TB.
- No IP rating, No the damn shilled tests from Dave2D or MHBHD aren't going to cut it, the IEC conventions are internationally agreed standards not some bs offscreen tests saying it increases price and all rubbish kool-aid.
- Trash camera
- No QI wireless charging, glass back and peanuts charging, they don't wnat to give because they want to milk with all these features barring the jack for another refresh or new unit.
- No price cuts, OP phones never get a price cut, today you can buy an SD835 (By no means a problem) phones like S8+ for 500USD which has everything more than this gimmick phone, LG phones see price cuts, got my V30S for far less price under 500USD which outperforms in all features, Yes even the BL unlock, coming to that, S9 and Note 9 are cheaper at $600USD which again rape this phone to oblivion esp Exynos models which have BL unlock. And the latest S10 is already seeing discounts, and once Black Friday hits the G8 and all phones will drop price.
Next is Zenfone6 that phone is making waves apart from the mediocre LCD display (No pentile, so FHD is fine but the brightness is not enough) and it has 3.5mm jack, Stereo speakers, a big arse 5000MaH battery without this over charging current rate.
Huge thanks to Andrei a lot for this piece on this stupid overdrive current charging done by Oneplus, fools at many blogs and youtube shills refuse to believe me that over high currrent charging is insane simply due to the cathode-anode reactions and faster degradation, esp this is why we need Qi not battery raping marketing BS. These oneplus garbage phones always overcharge and do this rubbish, look at QC with Samsung/LG/Sony any company apart from this and Huawei have that, Apple even sandbags the battery death by reducing the CPU perf. This BS is not seen my 99% of the people and they end up with junk on top of the non user replaceable batteries.
So all in all this is an overpriced "toy" not a proper pocket PC / Powerful computer in your hand.
Quantumz0d - Wednesday, June 19, 2019 - link
Edit - Zenfone 6 specs include - it also got UFS storage unlike Pixel 3a with eMMC trash, an SD855 a great camera than this junk well, at-least from the users, an SD slot, Bootloader unlock and highest SKU is less than 600USD (8GB/256GB)zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I agree especially on the LCD display. I have a lot of praise for OLED until I got it for the first time in the S8+. It is easily not as sharp as my Nexus 5. Every time I open the Nexus 5, I'm taken away how sharp and clean the display is versus the AMOLED S8. I have late 30's eyes. I'd rather take an LCD display for my next phone as long it is reasonably priced vs premium OLED phones.I disagree with your fast charging criticism though. I'm no battery enthusiast, if rapid charging kills batteries, then we should not see them in electric vehicles such as Tesla cars.
My Nexus 5 doesn't have rapid charging tech but my second battery is, again, bulging with less capacity. It does heat a lot though with Data turned and/or during gaming. Certainly, it is heat is the detrimental effect and heat is only the effect of fast charging
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
> if rapid charging kills batteries, then we should not see them in electric vehicles such as Tesla cars.Tesla batteries are also gigantic (In comparison to a regular wall outlet power) and designed to handle that.
We've had a smartphone vendor who promoted one of these super-high charging rate confirm some pretty atrocious long-term capacity degradation, while something like Samsung's degradation curve was like 20% higher in terms of retained capacity after the same amount of cycles.
zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I refer to Tesla's Superchargers where a Model 3 can charge to 80 percent in 30 minutes. A Supercharger charges its battery cells as fast as quick charging smartphones.OP can afford a faster charging rate than Qualcomm's QC because there is no voltage conversion happening in OP's phone, thus less heat. The only drawback only works with OP's charger and thick cable.
rabidpeach - Tuesday, June 22, 2021 - link
sorry it's been years but hopefully the future readership realizes that TESLA herself encourages you to NOT supercharge the car constantly as that would increase the degradation as well as well-reported constant fleet usage of supercharge style system has shown degradation.Xyler94 - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I will always prefer my AMOLED displays in phones. OLEDs have the advantage of having much higher contrast than LCD, because individual pixels can be turned fully off, creating true black. There's no LCD that can do that. LED LCDs come close, but only because you can turn off zones of the LED backlight.Also, colour calibration makes an image look better than the display tech. If the Nexus 5 had better calibration, then it would definitely be a better display. I know Samsung TVs always have too much blue (I've calibrated a few of them), it's possible their phone displays have a bit too much blue too.
zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
That's what I thought which led me to buy the Samsung. I realized, the infinite contrast has little value to me except watching movies in darkness.The sharpness of the LCD over the pen-tile AMOLED is noticeable with text, sharper edges with LCDs. Images from my DSLRs or conventional cameras are also sharper on the N5.
White background in AMOLED never convinced me, feels rough or dirty. I checked today, looked at my Samsung around 4 inches away, I can notice multicolored very tiny noise-like pixels.
The Nexus 5 has one of the best calibrated displays during its time. I'm just saying LCDs superior to AMOLEDs in image sharpness alone
s.yu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Indeed I'd rather have the entire front camera axed than the 3.5mm port!rohitghali - Sunday, October 13, 2019 - link
Me too...patel21 - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I would love to see in depth review of Asus Zenfone 6. The real flagship killer at $500.Andre please try to sample it, as the effect of LCD and SD855 on a 5000 mah battery would be interesting to see.
1_rick - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
True. The Mi 9 is missing a few bands for some US carriers, though.1_rick - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Really? Bezel-less curved front, glass back, flagship CPU, all those camera lenses, nearly a 7 inch screen, and you don't want to call it premium? If we can't call a 6.67" phone with flagship design and specs premium, then the word means "Samsung and Apple's most expensive phones" and is effectively useless.flyingpants265 - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
IMO Samsung went the extra mile this time.zodiacfml - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
The main feature will be beaten by the ASUS ROG Phone 2 at 120 Hz at the same price.mobutu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
please stop using flagship killer in relation with the oneplus, there's not such thing anymore.actual flagship killer is k20pro
wr3zzz - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
I noticed stuttered scrolling in certain apps with my OP7P, namely some news apps. Is it due to apps not optimized for 90hz or just Oneplus did a poor job switching between 60hz and 90hz (my OP7P is set to 90hz)?silverblue - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Sorry in advance if this sounds like I'm being picky, but being an HTC owner, it's a little disappointing not to see a single HTC phone in the benchmarks. I'm due an upgrade in four months so being able to see comparative performance would've been very useful.I suppose it's because they weren't reviewed. :(
s.yu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Wow, an HTC user in the wild! I haven't seen one in years. Anandtech probably doesn't get review units either.Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
HTC essentially sold its smartphone development personnel to Google. They're effectively out of the business I think.s.yu - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Just the Pixel division, which is the only profitable division. They kept the rest.silverblue - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
Yeah; I have a U11, and it's served me relatively well.WesJ - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
First time using this website, the thoroughness of your article prompted me to make an account. Great content!pjcamp - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
These days, it isn't a phone with a camera perk as much as it is a camera with a phone perk. You have to get the camera right and that means not leaving it until last. Design the phone around the camera, not the camera around the phone.Other than that, it is the usual list of Never Settle OnePlus's things you have to settle for -- no SD, now headphone jack (despite their own users clamoring to keep it), and now a fully glass device with no wireless charging to justify it.
Anirudh2FL - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Great phone, but is the UI and web browser scrolling as smooth as iOS Andrei ?Thanks in advance
Nice review
abufrejoval - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Great review, that depth and detail is outstanding.I'd have loved the display size, resolution and refresh rate, but with the stupid curved display and the silly pop-up camera, it falls off the cliff, before money even matters.
Too bad the non-plus doesn't have these aces to play.
Actually if that had the resolution and the refresh even without the extra size, it could do really well with my LeEco VR frame for VR or 3D movies on longer flights or train rides.
The LeEco Le Max2 proves the extra resolution right but the 820 SoC could benefit from an 855 update and the OnePlus 5 shows its 1920x1080 pentile resolution centimeters from the eye while VR really benefits from speed and refresh.
I'd like some words on desktop mode support or if external DP is supported natively or via DisplayLink... These devices certainly have enough horse power for desktop work and if you need to pay those prices, not having to buy a slower Chrome- or Notebook certainly helps.
So I'll just stick with the 5 and see if reason returns.
flyingpants265 - Sunday, June 23, 2019 - link
The pop-up camera is not silly. If you really need to take selfies, you can stomach it until next year.leophyrox - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
What is the storage speeds of the UFS 3.0 that has been touted? I was hoping it'd be shown in an AT review.pandaexpress.com/feedback - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
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djayjp - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
So its mediocre objective performance is somehow superceded by its subjective and totally unscientific performance.... Sounds credible.zeeBomb - Friday, June 21, 2019 - link
It be ya own flagship. But thank you for the marvelous review, Andrei.flyingpants265 - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
It's $1000.No front speakers = no buy.
No quick wireless charging = no buy.
No waterproofing = no buy.
No headphone jack = no buy.
No extended battery options = no buy.
I would accept some of these things, but not all of them. If I want a phone with no holepunch, I would rather get the $300 Realme X or $500 Zenfone 6 or Reno Zoom instead. I paid $50 total for my current LG G6 (byop). Repeat after me: I am not going to spend $1000 on a phone with MISSING FEATURES. "I am not going to spend $1000 on a phone with MISSING FEATURES."
Also, call me crazy but until there's something better, I would enjoy an IR blaster.
flyingpants265 - Saturday, June 22, 2019 - link
I miss the days when these were $299 or whatever they were at launch. Time to move onto other brands.Another example is the Xiaomi Redmi K20, will be ~$300 USD
Anirudh2FL - Tuesday, July 2, 2019 - link
How is the P30 pro this Filthy Good at Night ?If Google Night Sight was magic, this is simply Reality Wrapping
And the iPhone sucks so bad at low light, it's pathetic
It would be funny if the iPhone didn't cost a fortune
yacoub35 - Wednesday, July 3, 2019 - link
A OnePlus7 available in the US and with a headphone jack, would be a huge seller. Instead, we're stuck with the Pixel3A with an old SoC. Why?zenfortech - Tuesday, October 22, 2019 - link
Update price oneplus 7t pro in viet namCatdroid - Thursday, October 31, 2019 - link
Did they fix Night mode in OP7 Pro?Night mode photos from OnePlus are totally out of focus in this review.
Sai Arnav - Monday, February 24, 2020 - link
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