There is IMHO no point in using A53 in conjunction with A77 due to dynamIQ architecture. A77 plugs in it, A53 does not. A55 is dynamIQ enabled A53 for all intents and purposes...
To announce a product is not difficult. They don't tell a single word about release date. I don't expect them to be the first with newest ARM IP and/or integrated 5G modem in the market.
This is just to get the market more rattled on Qualcomm's stock and try to scare the Commerce Dept into lifting the Huawei ban. Strangely (not), the article fails to mention that MediaTek is a Chinese company located in Taiwan, so it is unaffected by the Huawei ban. Huawei's days are numbered if the ban isn't lifted.
Not really. Anandtech neglected to mention this, but ARM is going to continue to license their IP to Huawei and they can still sell products in both Europe and China. Even if every other country in the world banned them they would have enough business to keep them afloat.
Yes really. To quote the British press yesterday "BBC News reported that ARM staff were told to halt all current and future contracts with Huawei, citing an internal company memo. ARM confirmed that it was complying with the restrictions enacted by the US government." The BBC went on to say "...the internal ARM memo states that the company’s designs feature 'US origin technology'," to clear up misunderstandings (like yours) about them being able to sell to Huawei. They cannot. The arbitrary decision by May to go with Huawei for part of its 5G system is FAR from being set in stone, and can be stopped immediately by Johnson when he takes office. Of course any communist country can continue to sell only to themselves as you state, just like the Soviets did during the Cold War, but that isn't what most honest people would call "staying afloat."
During the cold War there ware communist firm's that made a big part of US electricity grid (Energoinvest), their commercials went in prime US elections central time's. The same company also bought the biggest part of US Honeywell. All that in horrible times of cold war. Now take a look how much freedom degraded in the mean time all under the cover of democracy.
Nice try comrade, but all your claims are 100% false. Energoinvest has never had any significant business in the US, did not build a big part of the US electricity grid, and never at any time did they ever own any significant part of Honeywell. Nothing happens in the US under the cover of democracy, because we are a republic, not a democracy. It is also rich to hear a communist lecturing people on freedom. Thanks for the entertainment.
MediaTek is a "Taiwanese" company, not "Chinese" company. MediaTek is a competitor of Qualcomm and HiSilicon, the latter is chip design company of Huawei. The US Department of Commerce’s sanctions are beneficial to MediaTek, and MediaTek(and most Taiwanese company) will not want to lift the sanctions!
"It’s to be noted that we won’t be seeing mmWave from MediaTek this early.." Does this mean that this modem will not support mmWave frequencies? If so then it's not a full 5G modem. The <6GHz frequencies of 5G are basically a (barely faster) superset of 4G.
Yeah, they probably would pair 2*A77 with 6*A55. I simply don't understand why do all of them insist on using 4*A55 or more, it's worthless beyond basic background and standby tasks.
A55 is very small in comparison to A75 or A77, so it doesn't cost much to integrate 2 more cores. A lot of phones few years ago were running on Snapdragon 400 with even worse A7, now snapdragon 625, which is widely used, does have just A53 cores, 8 of them. If they can run mid-range phone smoothly, and are used in things like RPi as primary cores, I don't think they are worth so little.
They are pretty much useless once the screen is on. 625 is in no way smooth nowadays. As small as it is, 6xA55 is still about the same size as dual A75, only the latter provides far superior performance at much lower power consumption.
Was wondering if it's a monolithic die or not but the language doesn't hint at anything but monolithic. If they are investing in latest cores on 7nm in line with MWC for retail, they might be aiming for high end. If it's not high end, it's harder to push 5G, cost and power are even more important but it might generate more revenue on much higher volumes if they get it right. Phones that retail for 200-300$ in China are pretty great and high volumes too.
This is just MTK saying they've secured licenses for A77 and G77 and will integrate them in a solution with their M70 5G modem. Pretty sure we will see those new cores in at leats 2-3 designs by the end of 2019. By the end of the year TCMS's 7nm node will be suplemented by a better 7nm+ or even 6nm. MTK will be looking to continue their great relationship with Vivo and Oppo and provide fast and cheap chips for 100-300$ devices.
There are only a few players in the market - Qualcomm, MediaTek, Exynos and Hisilicon. In these four SOC manufacturers, Qualcomm & MediaTek does not belong to any smartphone manufacturer,
Sorry to nitpick, but you forgot Apple, Xiaomi's Surge, UNISOC (formerly Spreadtrum), plus tablets that don't need a cellular baseband use nVidia Tegra, Amlogic, Rockchip and Allwinner. The most interesting phone that will be coming out this year in my opinion is the Purism Librem 5, which uses the NXP i.MX 8M Quad and a cellular modem in an M.2 slot.
I wonder if Anandtech will cover the Librem 5. It seems to not care about the specialty hardware companies.
Mediatek has the unfortunate habit of only having a few (as in 2 or 4) graphics cores, which contributes to it's products being usually chosen for their low prices, not their performance. Would be nice if they surprise us this time around!
Well, if only they could arm the helio M70 with CPU of at least 2 x cortex a77 @ 2.95 Ghz + 2 x cortex a77 @ 2.45 Ghz + 4 x cortex a55 @ 2.2 Ghz (made of 7++nm node) & GPU of Mali G77 MP10 (at least), the new SoC will be very competitive, I guess
At the same time, Samsung should arm the GPU of Exynos 9830 with Mali G77 MP18, which could possibly outperform Adreno 650 (next generation Snapdragon GPU)
As long as MediaTek keeps posting tarballs to do the minimum to comply with the GLP 2.0 license for the Linux kernel, I will never buy a MediaTek device, because there is little hope of that device ever being supported by LineageOS or any other independent mod. MediaTek should publish its full commit history for Linux like Qualcomm does in the Code Aurora Forum or nVidia does for the Tegra at nv-tegra.nvidia.com. I only buy mobile devices that run on a Qualcomm Snapdragon, nVidia Tegra, NXP i.MX, Rockchip or Allwinner A20 and allow the bootloader to be unlocked, because I care about user freedom.
Haven't been keeping up w/ the midrange/mobile SoC space for quite a while so I don't even know if the inclusion of 5G modems on MediaTek's offering is much of a reason for OEM's to jump onboard if MediaTek plans on releasing it soon since 5G hasn't been widely adopted, if not at all.
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yeeeeman - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
My educated guess is 2xA77 and 6xA55 (or maybe A53).Dodozoid - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
There is IMHO no point in using A53 in conjunction with A77 due to dynamIQ architecture. A77 plugs in it, A53 does not. A55 is dynamIQ enabled A53 for all intents and purposes...levizx - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
A53 is not possible. Only A55/65/75/76/77 are compatible with each other.Teckk - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
This is a surprise. Does Qualcomm have an integrated 5G modem yet?yeeeeman - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
They have the X55 which will be integrated into the SD865 next year.KarlKastor - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
To announce a product is not difficult. They don't tell a single word about release date.I don't expect them to be the first with newest ARM IP and/or integrated 5G modem in the market.
LiviuTM - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Exactly. And let's not talk about implementation, I think Mediatek's wilbe below Qualcomm's, Samsung's or Huawei's.SmokeandMirrors - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
This is just to get the market more rattled on Qualcomm's stock and try to scare the Commerce Dept into lifting the Huawei ban. Strangely (not), the article fails to mention that MediaTek is a Chinese company located in Taiwan, so it is unaffected by the Huawei ban. Huawei's days are numbered if the ban isn't lifted.eek2121 - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Not really. Anandtech neglected to mention this, but ARM is going to continue to license their IP to Huawei and they can still sell products in both Europe and China. Even if every other country in the world banned them they would have enough business to keep them afloat.SmokeandMirrors - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Yes really. To quote the British press yesterday "BBC News reported that ARM staff were told to halt all current and future contracts with Huawei, citing an internal company memo. ARM confirmed that it was complying with the restrictions enacted by the US government." The BBC went on to say "...the internal ARM memo states that the company’s designs feature 'US origin technology'," to clear up misunderstandings (like yours) about them being able to sell to Huawei. They cannot. The arbitrary decision by May to go with Huawei for part of its 5G system is FAR from being set in stone, and can be stopped immediately by Johnson when he takes office. Of course any communist country can continue to sell only to themselves as you state, just like the Soviets did during the Cold War, but that isn't what most honest people would call "staying afloat."ZolaIII - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
During the cold War there ware communist firm's that made a big part of US electricity grid (Energoinvest), their commercials went in prime US elections central time's. The same company also bought the biggest part of US Honeywell. All that in horrible times of cold war. Now take a look how much freedom degraded in the mean time all under the cover of democracy.SmokeandMirrors - Monday, June 3, 2019 - link
Nice try comrade, but all your claims are 100% false. Energoinvest has never had any significant business in the US, did not build a big part of the US electricity grid, and never at any time did they ever own any significant part of Honeywell. Nothing happens in the US under the cover of democracy, because we are a republic, not a democracy. It is also rich to hear a communist lecturing people on freedom. Thanks for the entertainment.PeterSun - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
MediaTek is a "Taiwanese" company, not "Chinese" company. MediaTek is a competitor of Qualcomm and HiSilicon, the latter is chip design company of Huawei. The US Department of Commerce’s sanctions are beneficial to MediaTek, and MediaTek(and most Taiwanese company) will not want to lift the sanctions!halcyon - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Shipping to Mediatek customersnin Q3 2019 and available for volume product shipmentnin Q1 2020.BensonPan - Saturday, June 1, 2019 - link
Actually they offered a clear timetable - 1) sampled to clients in 3Q19, 2) first end device would be seen in 1Q20. Let's see.adamo1139 - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
https//i.mediatek.com/5GSoC gives me 404. https://i.mediatek.com/mediatek-5g seems to be the correct link as of now.Santoval - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
"It’s to be noted that we won’t be seeing mmWave from MediaTek this early.."Does this mean that this modem will not support mmWave frequencies? If so then it's not a full 5G modem. The <6GHz frequencies of 5G are basically a (barely faster) superset of 4G.
Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
mmWave is irrelevant in most of the world.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbNt1zybAUA
Sub-6 countries with the correct spectrum (i.e. not the US) is just as fast as what's currently available in the US with mmWave.
LiviuTM - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
RF it's hard.. And Qualcomm is ahead others.levizx - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Yeah, they probably would pair 2*A77 with 6*A55. I simply don't understand why do all of them insist on using 4*A55 or more, it's worthless beyond basic background and standby tasks.2*[email protected]+GHz 2*A75@2GHz 2*[email protected] would have been a much more balanced setup with minimal area increase.
adamo1139 - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
A55 is very small in comparison to A75 or A77, so it doesn't cost much to integrate 2 more cores. A lot of phones few years ago were running on Snapdragon 400 with even worse A7, now snapdragon 625, which is widely used, does have just A53 cores, 8 of them. If they can run mid-range phone smoothly, and are used in things like RPi as primary cores, I don't think they are worth so little.levizx - Thursday, May 30, 2019 - link
They are pretty much useless once the screen is on. 625 is in no way smooth nowadays. As small as it is, 6xA55 is still about the same size as dual A75, only the latter provides far superior performance at much lower power consumption.anonym - Thursday, May 30, 2019 - link
I don't think so. If it true, you should prefer 2xA77+4xA75 or 6xA77levizx - Thursday, May 30, 2019 - link
This is obviously regarding highend to premium smartphones, you wouldn't expect 5G on anything else next year. RPi is irrelevant.jjj - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Was wondering if it's a monolithic die or not but the language doesn't hint at anything but monolithic.If they are investing in latest cores on 7nm in line with MWC for retail, they might be aiming for high end.
If it's not high end, it's harder to push 5G, cost and power are even more important but it might generate more revenue on much higher volumes if they get it right. Phones that retail for 200-300$ in China are pretty great and high volumes too.
bradleymichaelj - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Way to go MTK.tkSteveFOX - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
This is just MTK saying they've secured licenses for A77 and G77 and will integrate them in a solution with their M70 5G modem.Pretty sure we will see those new cores in at leats 2-3 designs by the end of 2019.
By the end of the year TCMS's 7nm node will be suplemented by a better 7nm+ or even 6nm.
MTK will be looking to continue their great relationship with Vivo and Oppo and provide fast and cheap chips for 100-300$ devices.
Tech4ubox - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
There are only a few players in the market - Qualcomm, MediaTek, Exynos and Hisilicon. In these four SOC manufacturers, Qualcomm & MediaTek does not belong to any smartphone manufacturer,https://www.tech4ubox.com/2019/05/mediatek-5g-soc-...
amosbatto - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link
Sorry to nitpick, but you forgot Apple, Xiaomi's Surge, UNISOC (formerly Spreadtrum), plus tablets that don't need a cellular baseband use nVidia Tegra, Amlogic, Rockchip and Allwinner. The most interesting phone that will be coming out this year in my opinion is the Purism Librem 5, which uses the NXP i.MX 8M Quad and a cellular modem in an M.2 slot.I wonder if Anandtech will cover the Librem 5. It seems to not care about the specialty hardware companies.
eastcoast_pete - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
Mediatek has the unfortunate habit of only having a few (as in 2 or 4) graphics cores, which contributes to it's products being usually chosen for their low prices, not their performance. Would be nice if they surprise us this time around!Rudde - Thursday, May 30, 2019 - link
If I remember correctly, G77 has a minimum of 7 cores.Ayush676 - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Mediatek has been bringing great tech lately.PeeCee - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
Well, if only they could arm the helio M70 with CPU of at least 2 x cortex a77 @ 2.95 Ghz + 2 x cortex a77 @ 2.45 Ghz + 4 x cortex a55 @ 2.2 Ghz (made of 7++nm node) & GPU of Mali G77 MP10 (at least), the new SoC will be very competitive, I guessPeeCee - Friday, May 31, 2019 - link
At the same time, Samsung should arm the GPU of Exynos 9830 with Mali G77 MP18, which could possibly outperform Adreno 650 (next generation Snapdragon GPU)amosbatto - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link
As long as MediaTek keeps posting tarballs to do the minimum to comply with the GLP 2.0 license for the Linux kernel, I will never buy a MediaTek device, because there is little hope of that device ever being supported by LineageOS or any other independent mod. MediaTek should publish its full commit history for Linux like Qualcomm does in the Code Aurora Forum or nVidia does for the Tegra at nv-tegra.nvidia.com. I only buy mobile devices that run on a Qualcomm Snapdragon, nVidia Tegra, NXP i.MX, Rockchip or Allwinner A20 and allow the bootloader to be unlocked, because I care about user freedom.urbanman2004 - Wednesday, June 12, 2019 - link
Haven't been keeping up w/ the midrange/mobile SoC space for quite a while so I don't even know if the inclusion of 5G modems on MediaTek's offering is much of a reason for OEM's to jump onboard if MediaTek plans on releasing it soon since 5G hasn't been widely adopted, if not at all.