Yes these are really nice updates and Sandbox feature alone is a nice functionality, I notice my Dell XPS 15 2in1 was Windows 10 Home and got Windows 10 pro update and notice this update is still not available.
There's a lot more under the hood improvements, even early on, than people bother to talk about; like memory compression, improved sound stack, etc. It's just that it seems like 90% of people just focus on the facade and privacy aspect and ignore the true benefits.
After updating to this I feel my computer is somehow snappier, the whole process was so smooth, everything really stayed where it was. Great job Microsoft.
Well they implemented Retpoline (where applicable) and Fast Import to mitigate the performance impact of the security fixes for the various side-channel attacks.
how about being able to remove driver updates from auto update ? if you ever had drivers from Windows Update, then reconsidered AFTER a CU, the system will treat those as a part of the base system from that time on ... no way to get rid of them ....
this. i'm not a huge fan of having to use group policy & registry workarounds to prevent Windows Update from bunging my graphics drivers every time i connect to the internet
They are fixing this the correct way: push every OEM to use DCH driver that is not modified and can be delivered from windows update. So OEM can put their driver customization separate and not affected by update.
+1 on this. Actually, + 1000. Very annoying when an "update" suddenly renders key peripherals inactive and unrecognized. Happened twice with one setup. Waste of time. Plus, if I could disable automatic driver updates, I just might be okay enabling automatic update on some machines. Without this, no way.
I wish they dedicated the next 3-4 releases for only under the hood work: 1. Reducing the number of background processes and memory consumption. 2. More modular Windows so user will be able to disable / remove components they don't need and optimize performance. 3. Optimize the IO stack so we'll have Linux like performance. 4. Optimize the File System so we'll have Linux like performance. 5. Ability to remove all pre installed components users doesn't want.
We want to be able to make Windows lean and efficient.
Just curious, what performance metrics or tools are you using to measure the relative performance of the IO stack and file system between Windows and Linux?
I've never run detailed benchmarks or anything but my usual experience is that anything that has to access a bunch of small files (software compilation, extracting zips, etc.) takes something like 5-10x longer on Windows than Linux on the same hardware if it has an SSD. It's pretty ridiculous. Not much difference when hard drives are involved though.
Thats more the UI stalling though that file system itself. Windows has always had a bad habit of not actually reporting correct numbers when transferring or doing tasks that appear on the actual screen. I often will move files around and UI will often hang for a bit and instantly show up correctly. Not saying its not slower, just saying the UI makes it a lot tricker to actually know.
We are talking about compilation. You can time when you started and when it is done. There is a big difference and Linux is faster. You can have a look on some tests made on Phoronix.
The delays will be when the antivirus is scanning the file its trying to copy (I norm just turn off antivirus scanner if I am doing large amount of files)
No, it is not the AV only. Again, have a look at Phoronix. They disable the AV and many other things before testing and still the IO and Filesystem of Windows is way slower than Linux.
I think it even gets funnier as VM of Windows on Linux has better IO / File System performance than Windows.
Are you sure you aren't actually encountering a hardware limitation? I.e. filling up the drive's SLC cache so it reverts back to its native performance? this is particularly problematic on cheap drives and especially on cheap drives that are approaching full.
For example Phoronix just recently posted: "Linux Still Yields Better Multi-Threaded Performance On AMD Threadripper Against Windows 10 May 2019 Update"
Instead of waiting around for Win10 to get more Linux-like capabilities, why not just use Linux? I do for pretty much everything I haven't gotten around to doing on a phone these days except for a couple of games for which I keep a Win10 laptop around.
Because there are many things I like about Windows: 1. Visual Studio for Code Development and compilation (IDE). 2. Adobe Photoshop. 3. PortableApps stack.
Windows is great. Microsoft just need to make it leaner and faster.
That sandbox is really exciting. It opens up a lot of room for creative applications. Remember that linus tech tips project where one huge machine ran like 5 gaming VMs? I’m sure the sandbox is more stable and performant than virtualbox.
was wanting/needing this to be THE update (prior to this years hot new CPU-GPU stuff) to "set it right" sounds like it just might be that "the new Windows 7 Ultimate"
Windows 10 likely is NOW ready for 99% of people (including me) just in time for Ryzen 2 and Navi 2019
YAY....why the hell did they not just do Windows 7 and update its "core" to make into Win 10, instead of #%^#%^# metro, live tiles and all that crpa most people HATE
NOW yay......Thanks MSFT, does this mean you are ACTUALLY paying attention to Win 10 going forward,, not rush launch patch crap?
as well, ability to NOT force update is such awesome, to "act" like is a new novel feature is crap, at least now they "wised up" and made for ALL users regardless of version can disable/turn off a good chunk of the "crap" to make it
It's not seven days max, it's seven days at a time. I don't recall what the total is, but it's decent for Home. If you really have an issue installing updates, get Pro and you can delay them longer, or take control yourself. Realistically this change will be good enough for 99% of normal users, without risking the never-updater scenarios we saw constantly with malware-infected Win7 and older installs. It's a compromise to make sure people are semi-current without rushing updates. My time spent as tech support for friends and relatives has been cut down to almost zero since they've all got Win10 now.
Perhaps it is because I was already an adult when the Personal Computer launched in 1981 and a programmer, who’d been using Fortran and Cobol before and trying to find out what BASIC on a PC could do for me.
PCs were very expensive tools, about the same price as a brand-new premium car: I got myself lots of bleeding edge PCs over the decades, because they were the base of my career. Never bought a new car in my life.
My PCs were and are my shop, my studio, my office. I depend on them, so I keep them in the best possible state: The notion that somebody else might be managing parts of that space, other than by a very conscious act of delegation, is anywhere from unacceptable to abhorrent.
So imagine my horror, when I saw Candy Crush tiles flipping on the screen after upgrading a Windows 7 system: This is blasphemy, rape, war, ad-extortion!
Classic Shell came to the rescue and eventually I learned how to tame even Windows 10 to the point where it wouldn’t phone home on every click or tock. Unfortunately, the wonderful, wonderful person who developed and maintained it for years, eventually changed priorities, but so far, it just continues to work as it should, giving a Windows 7 like experience to whatever Microsoft wrongly believed they could do better afterwards.
I read reports lately, that you could actually hijack tiles on the start menu, because of a combination of an “Internet first” design and gross negligence by Microsoft…. Why does that not surprise me?
Designing an “operating system” as a theme park is an Apple invention, and I only wish Steve Jobs were still alive to enforce nobody duplicating that nonsense on Personal Computers.
The 1903 update gave me a scare, because it reported that an “administrative guideline” had blocked the Classic Shell reconfiguration. Now, who but me is the administrator on my Personal Computers and I certainly didn’t block Classic Shell from taking over!
Re-ran the command in an Admin shell and that spooky message went away. But somehow I think that the 1909 release will finish off Classic Shell for once and forever… I don’t know what I’ll do, but Candy Crunch is enough of a threat to get out the big guns: Been testing Linux desktops since Linus started shaving and Proton is getting better: Yes, I do *also* game on my PCs. I even watch movies or “streams”.
It still doesn’t mean I mistake them for Disney Land or that anyone but me should be God on them.
That's a big wall of text to just say "I'm a stodgey pre-internet drama queen". :P You know you can uninstall pretty much anything on there. What games do you play... Solitaire? You can still download the classic solitaire that released in the early days of Windows, relax. I love old hardware as much as the next aging nerd (mostly consoles to be honest) but that doesn't mean I want them to go backwards. Windows 7 now feels downright old and clunky, if I want nostalgia I'll just install ReactOS.
"wall of text": I use an original IBM PS/2 keyboard from March 1990 these days, a Steinway in a world of e-pianos or less: Had to replace the AT-style keyboards I really liked best, because I needed the curly braces for C/C++ and those were hard to come by on the AT keyboard in German.
These keyboards did cost more than a good laptop these days, but they make text just roll off your fingers... Guess it shows and I sure couldn't do it with one of these newer and lesser variants or squinting and dabbling on a mobile screen.
Uninstall: Why should I have to kill rats in a brand new house? Good thing the company is paying for the MSDN because if it was my bucks for the OS, I'd truly rant.
Games: ARK Survial Evolved mostly, on a GTX 2080ti at 42" 4K screen using an 18-Core Xeon with 128GB of DDR4 ECC RAM: Really old style, I'll admit.
Also Doom and testing both with Steam/Proton on CentOS and Ubuntu, but also via KVM GPU pass-through on a Window 10 VM with the Linux host.
ReactOS is all wrong: Who would want an NT undercarriage, when Linux delivers so much more horsepower? It's the Windows applications that make Windows attractive as a platform, not the OS itself: That's a pile of crap, ever since David Cutler got sidelined.
Started to run the update on the dozen or so Windows machines I have running, for work and for fun.
A brand new Lenovo S730 i7 with 1TB of NVMe, took hours to go from 1803 to 1809, but only one hour to take the next step to 1903.
But that's were things started going down hill: Most other machines just took a lot of time, certainly hours, to run the upgrade: Mind you, nothing around here still runs the OS on spinning rust, below quad logical cores or three full Gigahertz... yet, single threaded and painfully slow it went... if in fact it did: So far two systems failed somewhere beyond the 90% mark and went "much ado about nothing" or back to 1809.
Couldn't tell you what kept them at that stage, because they really are rather similar, because I try to make that so (honestly, quite a few of them actualy started off as clones, because that works so well and so much faster these days. Turns out, that Microsoft itself has elevated cloning to the default installation method, but they like to take it s l o w l y).
MSDN Sub here, I've used 1903 for about a week now and I really like it. Also being a gamer I can attest that 1903 has not introduced any issues for gaming that I know of.
I actually wanted to update, but it looks like my desktop isn't being offered the May 2019 update yet. Wish MS would actually notify users the specific reason(s) why major version updates are being withheld as this is becoming a common trend with my rigs.
They've actually got a pretty good known issues page now that would give you some insight as to what major bugs they may have encountered with certain hardware/configs that could lead to a blocking bug, and the status of them
But with that being said what you're experiencing is more than likely just the effect of a gradual rollout, which is noted at the top of that page as well. Try again in a few days, or as TheWereCat said get the Windows 10 Update Assistant.
Been waiting since Creators Update for -well, creators update- a proper systemwide colour management that also supports wide colour gamut natively. 3D LUT support would be nice too.
Never happened, never will. Lots of cosmetic and game focused updates, but nothing substantial. Like an SSD focused file system (only available in the Workstation version of Windows I think)..
The changes to how they manage updates are pretty nice too. I'm not talking about the superficial "you can delay on Home more", but rather the underlying systems were overhauled so more update work can be performed while the system is still up. They also manage Windows/App updates better, so as to not hurt performance when in use.
Thanks Alexvrb Interesting and useful. Under hood changes are nice, but it’s time to do something more substantial a user can see and use every day. It’s nearly 2020 and we still forced to use sRGB on our desktops, in a world, where we have P3, Adobe RGB, HDR etc. We can take photos in P3, game in HDR, but no seamless way of handling this in Windows. Each app has to do it’s own thing.
A system wide Rec.2020 support is needed, that can constrain the gamut to sRGB when needed. Calibration should be done once, and all applications should/must take advantage of it.
I’m all for under the hood updates (visible or not to the user) that benefits us all, but there has to be a time for windows to catch up to the 21st century visuals.
Interesting. This puts the `docker run microsoft/windowsservercore` back into perspective. I wonder if the work they did on that directly contributed to this version.
First decent update ever for w10 I think - love the sandbox idea. Can it also be persistent? I basically want docker / containers for windows but for GUI software to isolate some installs
Windows devs are shit, pretty much every app I have on macOS has HighDPI and works perfectly with per monitor awareness.
I use my 15” rMBP with a FullHD external side by side.
My colleague has a 4K windows laptop with a FullHD external and he has a horrible experience. He has to change the laptop screen to FullHD so things scale properly.
It’s been 3 years that’s he’s had this setup, I laugh every time.
Indeed, they should first fix all the issues that the DWM imposes with varying refresh rate monitors, like crawling back and crippling the higher refresh rate monitors whenever something hardware accelerated is being shown on the lower refresh rate ones. It's really disturbing but luckily it's mostly an issue when playing games, where if you're running with V-Sync off, the high refresh rate monitor doesn't get affected. And that's the culprit, running a wide desktop area over multiple monitors and sharing the same V-Sync on it, not per-monitor.
Now to follow up on what you said, I also have an issue with Windows not being able to scale dynamically back and forth properly. It seems like they use pixel-based position and scaling on the elements and the tabs in the apps. Let's say an app that uses Windows Forms, scales by default well, putting it up on the DPI slider, makes it so that you need to extend tabs and fields and resize everything in it, so that it looks alright. Well guess what, when you scale back to standard everything needs to be resized and readjusted again. Tray icons still get blurry after multiple re-scales and resolution adjustments as well. Also, restarting explorer doesn't even show all the active apps in the tray.
I'll guess I'll check what's changed in six months
all PCs use pro with none targeted to delay feature upgrades for business use (witch is norm 2-3 months after ms has trashed a bunch of PCs) +100 days on feature upgrades +15 days on security updates as you can't trust ms any more to release a security update correctly any more
This isn't at all a bad article or anything, but with every single article Anandtech posts on these Win 10 updates, you always miss out a ton of new features/changes.
I'm not saying to cover literally everything, but i wish you'd at least show more of the new stuff and went in to detail on each. It's always hard to find anywhere that covers all or most of the new features in proper detail (like you did with the Windows Sandbox feature for example)
"Arguably the biggest feature that most people will see is the new Light Theme. Theming is something that is personal, so either you’ll like it or you won’t, but I think it looks clean and refreshing."
I see this as a regression. The dark theme should be the default for *any* emissive display. The white background on black text has been a terrible idea since the first day some one thought of it.
"Oh, let's just emulate a white sheet and black ink!" Except, emissive displays aren't a sheet of reflective paper, you are basically staring at a light bulb.
With that said, I'm a fan of dark themes, not full black back grounds with a 100% paper white text. Those just look horrible because they often lack a lot of context. I think that dark gray backgrounds, combined with white text is the best way to do dark themes.
Some people advocate for complete darkness on backgrounds for the sake of battery life on OLED panels, but it's a horrible idea:
Not only does it look bad in the first place, but it will also cause black smear, and the battery savings are already in place with dark backgrounds anyway.
That "new" search interface looks exactly like the interface you see if you forcibly disable Cortana. This is a real improvement for people who don't know how to hack the registry to get what they want.
After conversion of an older Dell Latitude Laptop with Windows10 Pro, I find the Sandbox feture is greyed out with the mouse-over "The processor does not have the second level address translation (SLAT) capabilities." It did, but the Lappy BIOS was not "set" for Virtualization at the time of Win10 install... Ha.
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nathanddrews - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Those are some nice changes. It's starting to feel like a real upgrade over Windows 7!Netmsm - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Hah :)) Yea a real one ;)HStewart - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Yes these are really nice updates and Sandbox feature alone is a nice functionality, I notice my Dell XPS 15 2in1 was Windows 10 Home and got Windows 10 pro update and notice this update is still not available.HStewart - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Just updated with Update Assistant. A lot of new stuffCheapSushi - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
There's a lot more under the hood improvements, even early on, than people bother to talk about; like memory compression, improved sound stack, etc. It's just that it seems like 90% of people just focus on the facade and privacy aspect and ignore the true benefits.Yaldabaoth - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
"Jennifer Gentle(man), you're a witch....You're the light theme/He's the dark theme
Oh no!
That cat's something I can't explain!"
XelaChang - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
4-space tabs for Notepad, please :'(Stuka87 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Use Notepad++. It can do this plus a billion other things.Xex360 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
After updating to this I feel my computer is somehow snappier, the whole process was so smooth, everything really stayed where it was. Great job Microsoft.Alexvrb - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Well they implemented Retpoline (where applicable) and Fast Import to mitigate the performance impact of the security fixes for the various side-channel attacks.haplo602 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
how about being able to remove driver updates from auto update ? if you ever had drivers from Windows Update, then reconsidered AFTER a CU, the system will treat those as a part of the base system from that time on ... no way to get rid of them ....KateH - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
this. i'm not a huge fan of having to use group policy & registry workarounds to prevent Windows Update from bunging my graphics drivers every time i connect to the internetmikeztm - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
They are fixing this the correct way: push every OEM to use DCH driver that is not modified and can be delivered from windows update. So OEM can put their driver customization separate and not affected by update.eastcoast_pete - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
+1 on this. Actually, + 1000. Very annoying when an "update" suddenly renders key peripherals inactive and unrecognized. Happened twice with one setup. Waste of time. Plus, if I could disable automatic driver updates, I just might be okay enabling automatic update on some machines. Without this, no way.Drazick - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
I wish they dedicated the next 3-4 releases for only under the hood work:1. Reducing the number of background processes and memory consumption.
2. More modular Windows so user will be able to disable / remove components they don't need and optimize performance.
3. Optimize the IO stack so we'll have Linux like performance.
4. Optimize the File System so we'll have Linux like performance.
5. Ability to remove all pre installed components users doesn't want.
We want to be able to make Windows lean and efficient.
sorten - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Just curious, what performance metrics or tools are you using to measure the relative performance of the IO stack and file system between Windows and Linux?notashill - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
I've never run detailed benchmarks or anything but my usual experience is that anything that has to access a bunch of small files (software compilation, extracting zips, etc.) takes something like 5-10x longer on Windows than Linux on the same hardware if it has an SSD. It's pretty ridiculous. Not much difference when hard drives are involved though.imaheadcase - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Thats more the UI stalling though that file system itself. Windows has always had a bad habit of not actually reporting correct numbers when transferring or doing tasks that appear on the actual screen. I often will move files around and UI will often hang for a bit and instantly show up correctly. Not saying its not slower, just saying the UI makes it a lot tricker to actually know.Drazick - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
We are talking about compilation. You can time when you started and when it is done. There is a big difference and Linux is faster. You can have a look on some tests made on Phoronix.leexgx - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
The delays will be when the antivirus is scanning the file its trying to copy (I norm just turn off antivirus scanner if I am doing large amount of files)Drazick - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
No, it is not the AV only.Again, have a look at Phoronix. They disable the AV and many other things before testing and still the IO and Filesystem of Windows is way slower than Linux.
I think it even gets funnier as VM of Windows on Linux has better IO / File System performance than Windows.
Ratman6161 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Are you sure you aren't actually encountering a hardware limitation? I.e. filling up the drive's SLC cache so it reverts back to its native performance? this is particularly problematic on cheap drives and especially on cheap drives that are approaching full.CheapSushi - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
No, Phoronx, a well respected blogger, has pointed out these differences often.CheapSushi - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
For example Phoronix just recently posted: "Linux Still Yields Better Multi-Threaded Performance On AMD Threadripper Against Windows 10 May 2019 Update"USGroup1 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
More modular Windows <> Reducing memory consumptionmikeztm - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Linux file system is a mess. ZFS have license issue and BRTFS is way not finished.Even crappy APFS has better position now.
Gigaplex - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
ZFS is a Unix file system, not a Linux one (though there is a port).PeachNCream - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Instead of waiting around for Win10 to get more Linux-like capabilities, why not just use Linux? I do for pretty much everything I haven't gotten around to doing on a phone these days except for a couple of games for which I keep a Win10 laptop around.Drazick - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Because there are many things I like about Windows:1. Visual Studio for Code Development and compilation (IDE).
2. Adobe Photoshop.
3. PortableApps stack.
Windows is great.
Microsoft just need to make it leaner and faster.
HStewart - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Agree on this - and think Microsoft should build a lean mode with minimal extra systems in that is completely configurable on reboot.willis936 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
That sandbox is really exciting. It opens up a lot of room for creative applications. Remember that linus tech tips project where one huge machine ran like 5 gaming VMs? I’m sure the sandbox is more stable and performant than virtualbox.TheWereCat - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
The sandbox is quite limited vs CM. You can also run only one instance of itprophet001 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Wow this sandbox looks really sweet.SkyDiver - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
The UI is ugly - flat and boring. I'm glad that I didn't update to it until now.Dragonstongue - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
THANK YOU FOR COVERAGE ^.^was wanting/needing this to be THE update (prior to this years hot new CPU-GPU stuff) to "set it right" sounds like it just might be that "the new Windows 7 Ultimate"
Windows 10 likely is NOW ready for 99% of people (including me) just in time for Ryzen 2 and Navi 2019
YAY....why the hell did they not just do Windows 7 and update its "core" to make into Win 10, instead of #%^#%^# metro, live tiles and all that crpa most people HATE
NOW yay......Thanks MSFT, does this mean you are ACTUALLY paying attention to Win 10 going forward,, not rush launch patch crap?
as well, ability to NOT force update is such awesome, to "act" like is a new novel feature is crap, at least now they "wised up" and made for ALL users regardless of version can disable/turn off a good chunk of the "crap" to make it
LITE
stupid....but thank you....about damn time...3 year+ later?
LOL......
here you go....
Wardrop - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
I swear half the emails in my spam folder were written by you.Agent Smith - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
I thought a child who’d just discovered CAPS-LOCK had just entered the room.GlossGhost - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
God bless.mobutu - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
"Arguably the biggest feature that most people will see is the new Light Theme.""giving some control back to users on how updates get pushed out. Windows 10 Home now supports up to seven days of delay for an update."
really? a theme and seven days max. delay for updates?
these are some of the major points for this update?
lol
Alexvrb - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
It's not seven days max, it's seven days at a time. I don't recall what the total is, but it's decent for Home. If you really have an issue installing updates, get Pro and you can delay them longer, or take control yourself. Realistically this change will be good enough for 99% of normal users, without risking the never-updater scenarios we saw constantly with malware-infected Win7 and older installs. It's a compromise to make sure people are semi-current without rushing updates. My time spent as tech support for friends and relatives has been cut down to almost zero since they've all got Win10 now.abufrejoval - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Perhaps it is because I was already an adult when the Personal Computer launched in 1981 and a programmer, who’d been using Fortran and Cobol before and trying to find out what BASIC on a PC could do for me.PCs were very expensive tools, about the same price as a brand-new premium car: I got myself lots of bleeding edge PCs over the decades, because they were the base of my career. Never bought a new car in my life.
My PCs were and are my shop, my studio, my office. I depend on them, so I keep them in the best possible state: The notion that somebody else might be managing parts of that space, other than by a very conscious act of delegation, is anywhere from unacceptable to abhorrent.
So imagine my horror, when I saw Candy Crush tiles flipping on the screen after upgrading a Windows 7 system: This is blasphemy, rape, war, ad-extortion!
Classic Shell came to the rescue and eventually I learned how to tame even Windows 10 to the point where it wouldn’t phone home on every click or tock. Unfortunately, the wonderful, wonderful person who developed and maintained it for years, eventually changed priorities, but so far, it just continues to work as it should, giving a Windows 7 like experience to whatever Microsoft wrongly believed they could do better afterwards.
I read reports lately, that you could actually hijack tiles on the start menu, because of a combination of an “Internet first” design and gross negligence by Microsoft…. Why does that not surprise me?
Designing an “operating system” as a theme park is an Apple invention, and I only wish Steve Jobs were still alive to enforce nobody duplicating that nonsense on Personal Computers.
The 1903 update gave me a scare, because it reported that an “administrative guideline” had blocked the Classic Shell reconfiguration. Now, who but me is the administrator on my Personal Computers and I certainly didn’t block Classic Shell from taking over!
Re-ran the command in an Admin shell and that spooky message went away. But somehow I think that the 1909 release will finish off Classic Shell for once and forever… I don’t know what I’ll do, but Candy Crunch is enough of a threat to get out the big guns: Been testing Linux desktops since Linus started shaving and Proton is getting better: Yes, I do *also* game on my PCs. I even watch movies or “streams”.
It still doesn’t mean I mistake them for Disney Land or that anyone but me should be God on them.
Alexvrb - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
That's a big wall of text to just say "I'm a stodgey pre-internet drama queen". :P You know you can uninstall pretty much anything on there. What games do you play... Solitaire? You can still download the classic solitaire that released in the early days of Windows, relax. I love old hardware as much as the next aging nerd (mostly consoles to be honest) but that doesn't mean I want them to go backwards. Windows 7 now feels downright old and clunky, if I want nostalgia I'll just install ReactOS.abufrejoval - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
"drama queen", well that's a first."wall of text": I use an original IBM PS/2 keyboard from March 1990 these days, a Steinway in a world of e-pianos or less: Had to replace the AT-style keyboards I really liked best, because I needed the curly braces for C/C++ and those were hard to come by on the AT keyboard in German.
These keyboards did cost more than a good laptop these days, but they make text just roll off your fingers... Guess it shows and I sure couldn't do it with one of these newer and lesser variants or squinting and dabbling on a mobile screen.
Uninstall: Why should I have to kill rats in a brand new house? Good thing the company is paying for the MSDN because if it was my bucks for the OS, I'd truly rant.
Games: ARK Survial Evolved mostly, on a GTX 2080ti at 42" 4K screen using an 18-Core Xeon with 128GB of DDR4 ECC RAM: Really old style, I'll admit.
Also Doom and testing both with Steam/Proton on CentOS and Ubuntu, but also via KVM GPU pass-through on a Window 10 VM with the Linux host.
ReactOS is all wrong: Who would want an NT undercarriage, when Linux delivers so much more horsepower? It's the Windows applications that make Windows attractive as a platform, not the OS itself: That's a pile of crap, ever since David Cutler got sidelined.
Agent Smith - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
There’s a huge difference between ‘posting a comment’ people will actually read and your version, ‘Post a Book’.abufrejoval - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Started to run the update on the dozen or so Windows machines I have running, for work and for fun.A brand new Lenovo S730 i7 with 1TB of NVMe, took hours to go from 1803 to 1809, but only one hour to take the next step to 1903.
But that's were things started going down hill: Most other machines just took a lot of time, certainly hours, to run the upgrade: Mind you, nothing around here still runs the OS on spinning rust, below quad logical cores or three full Gigahertz... yet, single threaded and painfully slow it went... if in fact it did: So far two systems failed somewhere beyond the 90% mark and went "much ado about nothing" or back to 1809.
Couldn't tell you what kept them at that stage, because they really are rather similar, because I try to make that so (honestly, quite a few of them actualy started off as clones, because that works so well and so much faster these days. Turns out, that Microsoft itself has elevated cloning to the default installation method, but they like to take it s l o w l y).
Korguz - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
" spinning rust " sorry.. but that is the dumbest term i have ever seen to refer to a mechanical hard drive..Axiomatic - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
MSDN Sub here, I've used 1903 for about a week now and I really like it. Also being a gamer I can attest that 1903 has not introduced any issues for gaming that I know of.Kougar - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
I actually wanted to update, but it looks like my desktop isn't being offered the May 2019 update yet. Wish MS would actually notify users the specific reason(s) why major version updates are being withheld as this is becoming a common trend with my rigs.TheWereCat - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
just get the ms update tool?Alexvrb - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
They've actually got a pretty good known issues page now that would give you some insight as to what major bugs they may have encountered with certain hardware/configs that could lead to a blocking bug, and the status of themhttps://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/release-i...
But with that being said what you're experiencing is more than likely just the effect of a gradual rollout, which is noted at the top of that page as well. Try again in a few days, or as TheWereCat said get the Windows 10 Update Assistant.
bill44 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Been waiting since Creators Update for -well, creators update- a proper systemwide colour management that also supports wide colour gamut natively. 3D LUT support would be nice too.Never happened, never will. Lots of cosmetic and game focused updates, but nothing substantial. Like an SSD focused file system (only available in the Workstation version of Windows I think)..
Alexvrb - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Most of their work was under the hood, yet as typical most people only see the cosmetic changes.Their work on implementing Retpoline and Fast Import was a pretty massive undertaking, read their detailed technical articles on the subject.
https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/Windows-Ker...
The changes to how they manage updates are pretty nice too. I'm not talking about the superficial "you can delay on Home more", but rather the underlying systems were overhauled so more update work can be performed while the system is still up. They also manage Windows/App updates better, so as to not hurt performance when in use.
bill44 - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Thanks AlexvrbInteresting and useful. Under hood changes are nice, but it’s time to do something more substantial a user can see and use every day. It’s nearly 2020 and we still forced to use sRGB on our desktops, in a world, where we have P3, Adobe RGB, HDR etc.
We can take photos in P3, game in HDR, but no seamless way of handling this in Windows. Each app has to do it’s own thing.
A system wide Rec.2020 support is needed, that can constrain the gamut to sRGB when needed. Calibration should be done once, and all applications should/must take advantage of it.
I’m all for under the hood updates (visible or not to the user) that benefits us all, but there has to be a time for windows to catch up to the 21st century visuals.
valkyrie743 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
was waiting for over a year for tabs in the explorer but i guess that's not happening anymore. not happyDominionSeraph - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Install Clover.Alien88 - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Damn, didn't know about Clover, installed it and it is great, thanks for the heads-up!erple2 - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Interesting. This puts the `docker run microsoft/windowsservercore` back into perspective. I wonder if the work they did on that directly contributed to this version.wolfesteinabhi - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
why would they run out of numbers after 2100!!? ..they would still have 14 more years after it to get their shit together!!Brett Howse - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Fair point!beisat - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
First decent update ever for w10 I think - love the sandbox idea. Can it also be persistent? I basically want docker / containers for windows but for GUI software to isolate some installsBrett Howse - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
If you want persistent you'd have to use full Hyper-V which is available on Pro. Docker also works if you'd prefer small footprint.chipped - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Windows devs are shit, pretty much every app I have on macOS has HighDPI and works perfectly with per monitor awareness.I use my 15” rMBP with a FullHD external side by side.
My colleague has a 4K windows laptop with a FullHD external and he has a horrible experience. He has to change the laptop screen to FullHD so things scale properly.
It’s been 3 years that’s he’s had this setup, I laugh every time.
GlossGhost - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Indeed, they should first fix all the issues that the DWM imposes with varying refresh rate monitors, like crawling back and crippling the higher refresh rate monitors whenever something hardware accelerated is being shown on the lower refresh rate ones. It's really disturbing but luckily it's mostly an issue when playing games, where if you're running with V-Sync off, the high refresh rate monitor doesn't get affected. And that's the culprit, running a wide desktop area over multiple monitors and sharing the same V-Sync on it, not per-monitor.Now to follow up on what you said, I also have an issue with Windows not being able to scale dynamically back and forth properly. It seems like they use pixel-based position and scaling on the elements and the tabs in the apps. Let's say an app that uses Windows Forms, scales by default well, putting it up on the DPI slider, makes it so that you need to extend tabs and fields and resize everything in it, so that it looks alright. Well guess what, when you scale back to standard everything needs to be resized and readjusted again. Tray icons still get blurry after multiple re-scales and resolution adjustments as well. Also, restarting explorer doesn't even show all the active apps in the tray.
Nobody seems to care about those things though.
leexgx - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
I'll guess I'll check what's changed in six monthsall PCs use pro with none targeted to delay feature upgrades for business use (witch is norm 2-3 months after ms has trashed a bunch of PCs) +100 days on feature upgrades +15 days on security updates as you can't trust ms any more to release a security update correctly any more
HStewart - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Wow, Windows Sandbox is by far worth it. Awesome new punctuality.From now on my browsing is done in sandbox
Koenig168 - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Good article with a lot of useful information. I'll probably update to this version if there are no major bugs uncovered over the next few weeks.B3an - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
This isn't at all a bad article or anything, but with every single article Anandtech posts on these Win 10 updates, you always miss out a ton of new features/changes.I'm not saying to cover literally everything, but i wish you'd at least show more of the new stuff and went in to detail on each. It's always hard to find anywhere that covers all or most of the new features in proper detail (like you did with the Windows Sandbox feature for example)
Kamus - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
"Arguably the biggest feature that most people will see is the new Light Theme. Theming is something that is personal, so either you’ll like it or you won’t, but I think it looks clean and refreshing."I see this as a regression. The dark theme should be the default for *any* emissive display. The white background on black text has been a terrible idea since the first day some one thought of it.
"Oh, let's just emulate a white sheet and black ink!" Except, emissive displays aren't a sheet of reflective paper, you are basically staring at a light bulb.
With that said, I'm a fan of dark themes, not full black back grounds with a 100% paper white text. Those just look horrible because they often lack a lot of context. I think that dark gray backgrounds, combined with white text is the best way to do dark themes.
Some people advocate for complete darkness on backgrounds for the sake of battery life on OLED panels, but it's a horrible idea:
Not only does it look bad in the first place, but it will also cause black smear, and the battery savings are already in place with dark backgrounds anyway.
zamroni - Tuesday, May 28, 2019 - link
For peace of mind, postpone the feature update as long as possible (365 days). I stay with 1803 for now.Flunk - Thursday, June 6, 2019 - link
That "new" search interface looks exactly like the interface you see if you forcibly disable Cortana. This is a real improvement for people who don't know how to hack the registry to get what they want.radcomtech - Thursday, July 4, 2019 - link
After conversion of an older Dell Latitude Laptop with Windows10 Pro, I find the Sandbox feture is greyed out with the mouse-over "The processor does not have the second level address translation (SLAT) capabilities." It did, but the Lappy BIOS was not "set" for Virtualization at the time of Win10 install... Ha.