They bought CorePhotonics who do the Oppo zoom module. The supplier of Huawei's is different and possibly Sunny Optical. Both appear to be switchable telephoto modules with software providing a zoom effect hence the presets at the actual focal lengths.
In other News Huawei was ban from accessing the next Android version from Google because the ban that the US Gov just impose.Goodbye to the chinese mobile giant you will remembered
They are not blocked from the next android version, just blocked from previewing the code before it gets published to the Android Open Source Project. Once its published they are free to access it.
Their home market (China) does not have much of a Google presence. The play store is already inaccessible, with many third party app stores taking its place. Likewise, the other Google services have their Chinese equivalents. ARM did just pull their license so they can't develop new SOCs in house, but that doesn't stop them from sourcing from Samsung or Mediatek. Other hardware components also have Chinese sources available. BOE specifically is expected to overtake LG Display this year as the second largest mobile OLED manufacturer.
They have the entire Chinese government backing them and have a large domestic market. They will survive as a company longer than the current US administration will be in power.
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Huawei is a despicable company deceiving people in China and out, they've never cared to be actually decent and are brazenly unapologetic when they get exposed for their lies, yet they're hailed as heroes in China. But this trade war is not enough to rid the world of this deceptive and shameless entity.
Totally. NSA has been spying the whole world for decades, in part thanks to backdoors on american companies, yet it's bad when other countries do it? I'm confused by people who accept one and disregard the other.
It's hard to see what you are standing on without taking a step back. Future might tell if Huawei actually has bad intentions, or the US government just uses this american fear of the abroad to distract the people from what is actually is going on. It's a shame, only the story of the winning party will be told. And in this case, the west is really dependant on the mercy of the east. China has less of a problem when the export market collapses. So many valuable countries are being screwed over by dodgy western import rules, that if China is willing to enforce their right not to play along, we are not the ones writing history. China has the rare metals, Venezuela and Iran would love to provide them with oil, Africa resources are already in their back pocket. If the West isn't able to "influence" OPEC, and doesn't have access to the materials to produce anything chip related. I think in the long run, Huawei is not the thing we are going to forget.
Chinese Government just cut the profit tax to zero for the whole IC and some related industries for two years, then half for three more years, though they still need to pay value added tax (which I think is also lower than other industries) and other government fees.
Yet this site continues to push their crap spyware on all of us.
That fact that Anandtech reviews Huawei, fucking HUAWEI, but not Sony smartphones, arguably the best value phones on the market for almost 10 years now, is a BIG PART of why I turned my ad blocked back on for Anandtech and spend FAR less time here than I used to.
Or, as has been previously stated, this site reviews devices that are sent to them by the manufacturer. As a result, if Huawei sends them 20 devices, and Samsung sends them 0, then I predict that there will be up to 20 Huawei reviews and no more than 0 Samsung reviews. Just sayin'...
I have to agree, you cannot ban companies like google, facebook and expect Huawei to get a warm welcome internationally. There is no doubt that have played unfair and stolen technology from other companies. I personally know of other industries in the hardware space where Chinese companies have poached German talent and technology to build things locally in China.
To be honest, I find all results at 5(+) zoom are nearly useless. The Huawei P30 mushes all detail and texture to oblivion, while the Reno has either focus or stabilization issues. Without looking at RAW files from the P30 (to see if the detail is there to be saved from their miserable JPEG engine) and at the same time without a stabilized sample from a production Reno, no conclusions can be drawn. IMHO there is still nothing here that would differentiate this positively from the ubiquitous Sony IMX586.
Picture sets 1 and 2 have "Reno 10x zoom" at the bottom of all Reno images. Others don't. I think it is better to omit that information for these comparisons when looking at the (small) image on the page directly, but they are nice if you want to download images or compare full-sized ones.
For picture set 6, I think readability of the text is a bit problematic given angle of the paper is a bit different and has more reflections for Huawei. But I agree that Oppo still wins this aspect and I agree with verdict here.
As for zoom levels, I believe x2 and x5 options are the best in most pictures shown here. x6 could be nice if Reno managed to focus better. x10 is of too poor quality to serve as a nice picture, while just the text on the bike really shows some extra value in x10 zoom for Oppo (while Huawei, despite generally better x10 images, doesn't have even that).
Judging by your 10x zoom test images: The Huawei has a larger dynamic range, higher resolution and lower noise (or better focus). They typically look more natural and avoid some highlight clipping because of darker exposures (thou users don't like darker images). The Oppo is using more image processing to increase contrast and smooth noise. The Oppo photos don't have the same detail as the Huawei photos.
The Reno 6x looks absolutely awful, extremely soft and low detail. It is not better in any single shot. The sign on the bike is simply hanging down more in the Reno shot, the Huawei is many times better. Also a lot of artefacting in the Reno images. Was hoping the Reno would be as good or better. Hopefully its better on the production model, I'd prefer it to the Huawei if possible.
The Huawei 5x images are also very soft, but its worlds better.
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NICOXIS - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Is it true that Samsung bought the company that provides there periscope zoom modules?NICOXIS - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
*thesehalcyon - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Yes, Samsung bought Corephotonics (of Israel) for $155M in January:https://en.globes.co.il/en/article-samsung-buys-is...
BedfordTim - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
They bought CorePhotonics who do the Oppo zoom module. The supplier of Huawei's is different and possibly Sunny Optical. Both appear to be switchable telephoto modules with software providing a zoom effect hence the presets at the actual focal lengths.siberian3 - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
In other News Huawei was ban from accessing the next Android version fromGoogle because the ban that the US Gov just impose.Goodbye to the chinese mobile giant you will remembered
hecksagon - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
They are not blocked from the next android version, just blocked from previewing the code before it gets published to the Android Open Source Project. Once its published they are free to access it.Their home market (China) does not have much of a Google presence. The play store is already inaccessible, with many third party app stores taking its place. Likewise, the other Google services have their Chinese equivalents. ARM did just pull their license so they can't develop new SOCs in house, but that doesn't stop them from sourcing from Samsung or Mediatek. Other hardware components also have Chinese sources available. BOE specifically is expected to overtake LG Display this year as the second largest mobile OLED manufacturer.
They have the entire Chinese government backing them and have a large domestic market. They will survive as a company longer than the current US administration will be in power.
s.yu - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Unfortunately I have to agree with you. Huawei is a despicable company deceiving people in China and out, they've never cared to be actually decent and are brazenly unapologetic when they get exposed for their lies, yet they're hailed as heroes in China. But this trade war is not enough to rid the world of this deceptive and shameless entity.Darcey R. Epperly - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Your comment matches also to the US foreign politics.heffeque - Saturday, May 25, 2019 - link
Totally.NSA has been spying the whole world for decades, in part thanks to backdoors on american companies, yet it's bad when other countries do it? I'm confused by people who accept one and disregard the other.
techgadgetgeek - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Totally agree with you. Double standards and hypocrisy that not too many people see.Foeketijn - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
It's hard to see what you are standing on without taking a step back. Future might tell if Huawei actually has bad intentions, or the US government just uses this american fear of the abroad to distract the people from what is actually is going on.It's a shame, only the story of the winning party will be told. And in this case, the west is really dependant on the mercy of the east. China has less of a problem when the export market collapses. So many valuable countries are being screwed over by dodgy western import rules, that if China is willing to enforce their right not to play along, we are not the ones writing history.
China has the rare metals, Venezuela and Iran would love to provide them with oil, Africa resources are already in their back pocket. If the West isn't able to "influence" OPEC, and doesn't have access to the materials to produce anything chip related.
I think in the long run, Huawei is not the thing we are going to forget.
wilsonkf - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
Chinese Government just cut the profit tax to zero for the whole IC and some related industries for two years, then half for three more years, though they still need to pay value added tax (which I think is also lower than other industries) and other government fees.BedfordTim - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
Saves on administration. Tech companies pay virtually zero tax in most countries.shing3232 - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
Dont be that so naive, American government will use whatever excuse to fight trade war. they provide no evidence whatsoever on this ban.Hrel - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Yet this site continues to push their crap spyware on all of us.That fact that Anandtech reviews Huawei, fucking HUAWEI, but not Sony smartphones, arguably the best value phones on the market for almost 10 years now, is a BIG PART of why I turned my ad blocked back on for Anandtech and spend FAR less time here than I used to.
Evil fuckbags, stop pushing communism!
lenghui - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
Hi, must you be so vindictive and hateful?erple2 - Thursday, June 20, 2019 - link
Or, as has been previously stated, this site reviews devices that are sent to them by the manufacturer. As a result, if Huawei sends them 20 devices, and Samsung sends them 0, then I predict that there will be up to 20 Huawei reviews and no more than 0 Samsung reviews. Just sayin'...Sailor23M - Wednesday, May 29, 2019 - link
I have to agree, you cannot ban companies like google, facebook and expect Huawei to get a warm welcome internationally. There is no doubt that have played unfair and stolen technology from other companies. I personally know of other industries in the hardware space where Chinese companies have poached German talent and technology to build things locally in China.Isidore - Sunday, June 2, 2019 - link
so, they will survive about 2 years?duartix - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
To be honest, I find all results at 5(+) zoom are nearly useless.The Huawei P30 mushes all detail and texture to oblivion, while the Reno has either focus or stabilization issues.
Without looking at RAW files from the P30 (to see if the detail is there to be saved from their miserable JPEG engine) and at the same time without a stabilized sample from a production Reno, no conclusions can be drawn.
IMHO there is still nothing here that would differentiate this positively from the ubiquitous Sony IMX586.
anomy - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
Someone had to say it! Thank you!BedfordTim - Thursday, May 23, 2019 - link
The cows show it beautifully.peevee - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Purple skies in Huawei pics - are they seeing red right now?Zizy - Wednesday, May 22, 2019 - link
Picture sets 1 and 2 have "Reno 10x zoom" at the bottom of all Reno images. Others don't. I think it is better to omit that information for these comparisons when looking at the (small) image on the page directly, but they are nice if you want to download images or compare full-sized ones.For picture set 6, I think readability of the text is a bit problematic given angle of the paper is a bit different and has more reflections for Huawei. But I agree that Oppo still wins this aspect and I agree with verdict here.
As for zoom levels, I believe x2 and x5 options are the best in most pictures shown here. x6 could be nice if Reno managed to focus better. x10 is of too poor quality to serve as a nice picture, while just the text on the bike really shows some extra value in x10 zoom for Oppo (while Huawei, despite generally better x10 images, doesn't have even that).
Hrel - Friday, May 24, 2019 - link
HOW IS IT POSSIBLE YOU ALL ARE STILL PUSHING HUAWEI?!?!?!?!If they're paying you or sending you products for free you are REQUIRED to disclose that fact, I don't see it mentioned however!
tygrus - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
Judging by your 10x zoom test images:The Huawei has a larger dynamic range, higher resolution and lower noise (or better focus). They typically look more natural and avoid some highlight clipping because of darker exposures (thou users don't like darker images).
The Oppo is using more image processing to increase contrast and smooth noise.
The Oppo photos don't have the same detail as the Huawei photos.
tygrus - Sunday, May 26, 2019 - link
The problem is, Huawei staff have a habit of stealing trade secrets and dodgy business practices.athiril - Monday, June 10, 2019 - link
The Reno 6x looks absolutely awful, extremely soft and low detail. It is not better in any single shot. The sign on the bike is simply hanging down more in the Reno shot, the Huawei is many times better. Also a lot of artefacting in the Reno images. Was hoping the Reno would be as good or better. Hopefully its better on the production model, I'd prefer it to the Huawei if possible.The Huawei 5x images are also very soft, but its worlds better.