$115 sounds impressive at first - but look at it closely, this closes and it per year it pretty much the same as TMSC and Intel has done 3 times the investment last year alone.
But Samsung makes a lot of products besides computer chips and curious if these are use for other products.
Anton at it again ;) Are they forcing you to write about stuff you don't understand?
1. TSMC's R&D is not part of the 10.5 bn CapEx of last year. It's part of the OpEX as it is for most companies. (it's about 700 mn a quarter) 2. So you are comparing Samsung's LSI + Foundry CapEx+R&D to TSMC's CapEX (just foundry) and Intel's CapEx+R&D of everything Intel does including networking, FPGAs, NAND+Optane, security R&D a.s.o.
I just remember there is reference to AMD selling technology to China and search, but I think it would be more mature to have more civilized response here. Just there is technology in x86 and other chips especially with communications and encryption that is not allow in other countries.
It just interesting on sites with desktop chips and such, people become so offensive, in stead of being rude just agree to disagree. I be honest one my reasons why I will not use AMD products is people attitudes that used products - but also have used Intel for 3 decades and never had problems.
And again, you demonstrate your ignorance by not using an arguably better product just because of the comments of other people using the same product. Special snowflake much. I'm beginning to believe what others have posted here about you: you must have stock or something in Intel, and want to praise it whenever possible. That (or mental illness) can be the only reason why your so religiously dedicated to a fricking piece of silicon, and that in your opinion Intel is the Lord and Saviour.
Intel licensed x86 and AMD64 IP to its own China joint venture first, to produce mobile chips that turned out to be duds. Intel did it first because of greed. AMD followed suit because they were going to go bankrupt without the joint venture money. Look it up.
The entire AMD / Intel thing came up because of stupid IBM desiring the second source of the original designed by Intel 3 decades ago. It lots of way this hurt IBM, because it did not stop the clone manufactures. Even though I disagree with Apple choice of video, it important to that they kept with same vendor over the years. Smartest decision Apple did in PC area going with Intel and it would be major mistake going anywhere else including there own chips. Apple does use it own chips in there displays and such.
But this was bad for IBM, but was good for industry, there would not be as many PC machines and laptops and in turn it help Intel and Microsoft, AMD also got side benefits from It and probably would not exist today if was not Intel and Windows.
You have to remember that in 1981, IBM thought they *were* the computer industry (they had been for decades). Intel was a memory company that made CPUs in order to sell more memory (no really, go look it up. They didn't stop selling memory until about 1990).
If IBM was going to make a product, they had to be sure that all the parts would be available for the life of the product plus the life of the valuable support contract (of course PCs wouldn't have such things, but don't expect IBM to change their proven profitable ways for something as insignificant as a PC).
IBM even had (still has?) a license to produce x86 chips. They even made an IBM 386SLC (not to be confused with the pin-compatible cyrix chips of the same name. IBM's had way more cache, although for all I know they were cyrix designs). Cyrix was able to use that license to "launder" their x86 CPUs by using IBM foundries (IBM got a cut of the chips).
I forgot how many companies had 8088/8086 licenses something like 6-8 and another 4 or so could produce the 80286. AMD fought for the rights of the 80386 but the courts sided with Intel's claim that "AMD could use but not sell" the 80386 microcode. I don't think Intel ever said how they wanted AMD to use said microcode (except selling it), but one might assume it involved bodily orifices...
IBM's deals with Intel were fine for both parties. The deal that helped seal their fate was with Microsoft.
From memory, the x86 license expires when the company is sold. Of course, the x86 license has been irrelevant for some time (any patents on 32 bit x86 expired at least 15 years ago, although things like PAE and SSE2 just recently expired). AMD of course owns AMD64 (sometimes called x86-64). But good luck selling a chip without any AVX, SSE3, or similar. I'd be shocked if that (and the patent cross-licensing, without which you would be sued for decades if you produced anything remotely like an x86 chip) transferred with the company.
I think VIA *is* making a 64 bit x86 chip for the Chinese market, but still need some of those still patented features, thus keeping it out of western markets.
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HStewart - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
$115 sounds impressive at first - but look at it closely, this closes and it per year it pretty much the same as TMSC and Intel has done 3 times the investment last year alone.But Samsung makes a lot of products besides computer chips and curious if these are use for other products.
brakdoo - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
Anton at it again ;) Are they forcing you to write about stuff you don't understand?1. TSMC's R&D is not part of the 10.5 bn CapEx of last year. It's part of the OpEX as it is for most companies. (it's about 700 mn a quarter)
2. So you are comparing Samsung's LSI + Foundry CapEx+R&D to TSMC's CapEX (just foundry) and Intel's CapEx+R&D of everything Intel does including networking, FPGAs, NAND+Optane, security R&D a.s.o.
brakdoo - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
+ You can't just always add R&D and CapEx because CapEx and depreciation can be part of R&D expenses.One is on the statement of income the other is on the balance sheet....
brakdoo - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
OK, my first line wasn't really nice. Is there a way to change that?Cellar Door - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
Yeah it comes from inside - make a conscious choice not to be a dick going forward.Rictorhell - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Don't do it again, in the future, that would probably be enough to make amends.p1esk - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
Anandtech had a call for authors not long ago, why don't you apply if you feel you can do a better job than him?brakdoo - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
You really think a writer for AT makes good money?SSTANIC - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
Well, in all these years that I've been following Anandtech, I don't think I've ever seen a comment more rude than this one.Death666Angel - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Really? You should read the comment section more.wumpus - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link
Or less. And nearly any other website with a comment section. It would be far better for your health.Cullinaire - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Not that I condone uncivilized behavior, but if you are going to be a writer for Anandtech heck any large publication, thick skin is a Prerequisite.outsideloop - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
They should have just bought AMD three years ago.JasonLD - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
US government probably wouldn't let em, unless AMD gives up x86.HStewart - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
I would not doubt there is also other area besides x86 but I believe there is rumors AMD giving technology to Chinahttps://www.wsj.com/articles/amd-to-license-chip-t...
supdawgwtfd - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Nice attempt of FUD there...3 year old article which requires subscription to read.
Fuck off you retard.
HStewart - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
I just remember there is reference to AMD selling technology to China and search, but I think it would be more mature to have more civilized response here. Just there is technology in x86 and other chips especially with communications and encryption that is not allow in other countries.It just interesting on sites with desktop chips and such, people become so offensive, in stead of being rude just agree to disagree. I be honest one my reasons why I will not use AMD products is people attitudes that used products - but also have used Intel for 3 decades and never had problems.
sa666666 - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
And again, you demonstrate your ignorance by not using an arguably better product just because of the comments of other people using the same product. Special snowflake much. I'm beginning to believe what others have posted here about you: you must have stock or something in Intel, and want to praise it whenever possible. That (or mental illness) can be the only reason why your so religiously dedicated to a fricking piece of silicon, and that in your opinion Intel is the Lord and Saviour.sgeocla - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Intel licensed x86 and AMD64 IP to its own China joint venture first, to produce mobile chips that turned out to be duds.Intel did it first because of greed. AMD followed suit because they were going to go bankrupt
without the joint venture money.
Look it up.
HStewart - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
The entire AMD / Intel thing came up because of stupid IBM desiring the second source of the original designed by Intel 3 decades ago. It lots of way this hurt IBM, because it did not stop the clone manufactures. Even though I disagree with Apple choice of video, it important to that they kept with same vendor over the years. Smartest decision Apple did in PC area going with Intel and it would be major mistake going anywhere else including there own chips. Apple does use it own chips in there displays and such.HStewart - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
But this was bad for IBM, but was good for industry, there would not be as many PC machines and laptops and in turn it help Intel and Microsoft, AMD also got side benefits from It and probably would not exist today if was not Intel and Windows.wumpus - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link
You have to remember that in 1981, IBM thought they *were* the computer industry (they had been for decades). Intel was a memory company that made CPUs in order to sell more memory (no really, go look it up. They didn't stop selling memory until about 1990).If IBM was going to make a product, they had to be sure that all the parts would be available for the life of the product plus the life of the valuable support contract (of course PCs wouldn't have such things, but don't expect IBM to change their proven profitable ways for something as insignificant as a PC).
IBM even had (still has?) a license to produce x86 chips. They even made an IBM 386SLC (not to be confused with the pin-compatible cyrix chips of the same name. IBM's had way more cache, although for all I know they were cyrix designs). Cyrix was able to use that license to "launder" their x86 CPUs by using IBM foundries (IBM got a cut of the chips).
I forgot how many companies had 8088/8086 licenses something like 6-8 and another 4 or so could produce the 80286. AMD fought for the rights of the 80386 but the courts sided with Intel's claim that "AMD could use but not sell" the 80386 microcode. I don't think Intel ever said how they wanted AMD to use said microcode (except selling it), but one might assume it involved bodily orifices...
IBM's deals with Intel were fine for both parties. The deal that helped seal their fate was with Microsoft.
porcupineLTD - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
Shill ACTIVATED!wumpus - Wednesday, May 1, 2019 - link
From memory, the x86 license expires when the company is sold. Of course, the x86 license has been irrelevant for some time (any patents on 32 bit x86 expired at least 15 years ago, although things like PAE and SSE2 just recently expired). AMD of course owns AMD64 (sometimes called x86-64). But good luck selling a chip without any AVX, SSE3, or similar. I'd be shocked if that (and the patent cross-licensing, without which you would be sued for decades if you produced anything remotely like an x86 chip) transferred with the company.I think VIA *is* making a 64 bit x86 chip for the Chinese market, but still need some of those still patented features, thus keeping it out of western markets.
HStewart - Thursday, April 25, 2019 - link
A better option would be if Intel purchase TSMC to help them with there 10nm struggles.coburn_c - Wednesday, April 24, 2019 - link
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