Right now it will only be Intel trusting this. The article doesn't state that the chiplets on the interposer have to be 10nm. Also Intel put a much more competent team on building out 7nm. Possibly these issues will be resolved on that node as they are not going to be relying on multi patterning as much on that node.
These 10nm are from the ( old? ) Custom Foundry, Intel mentioned the 10nm used in Custom Foundry is different to 10nm used in to their CPU, which has different set of design rules compares to 10nm used in Desktop / Server and Mobile.
Likely very credible. The chiplet design allows for using different process for the various chiplets much like AMD is using 14nm for the IO and 7nm for the CPu chiplet in the upcoming Zen2.
I would agree it creditable, but this designed is already out with DELL XPS 15 2in1. Big question does the AMD designed allow non AMD components. I would think this flexibility is important where Intel is aiming this product at.
You're confusing EMIB with 10nm process tech - two entirely different things. Nobody is questioning Intel's ability to link together chiplets with EMIB, just their ability to make chips on 10nm.
As someone said above, though, this is (reportedly) a different 10nm process from the defective CPU process, and besides that FPGAs are by their programmable nature more fault-tolerant than fixed-function hardware (just disable any damaged gates/etc., program around the error).
I think one needs to first look at this market, Altera was pretty much the leader of market - plus these are specialize products and perfect platform for Intel to test new process. In fact remember that EMiB is involved - I am typing this on a notebook (DELL XPS 15 2in1) that has EMiB on it with non Intel ( AMD) GPU - So 10nm on this device might be just FPGA
I think it getting old for people blaming 10nm issues on Intel.This is likely not the same 10nm version that is used in Cannon Lake but something closer to Ice Lake that is coming out later this years.
that's why intel has purch and other companies to advertise their products. Intel doesn't have a 5g modem, but pays to get press attention for it. Intel doesn't have a 10nm chip, but pays the press to "review" some samples Altera has been shrinking since they got acpuired by intel, but hey just hit the meme button and put DDR5, 10nm, PCIe-5.0 in one article as bait for the clueless.
I don't regret at all, in fact I am more than happy everyday that I was lucky to work on the Xilinx eco-system for over 6 years. Back in the day altera was pretty competitive, they came and showed us the first, unreleased back in 2013, opecl sdk with goodies like matlab integration... but after that, nothing.
disclaimer: Altera/Intel PSG or whatever they call it the kids nowadays, isn't just an fpga company anymore. Their numbers are inflated by adding "5g" tranceivers, embedded boards that intel will kill off in a few quarters and a ton(SI) of other devices that altera never made or intended to make. So, yeah, those numbrers on YoY growth are not only for fpgas, they contain Altera + intel's embedded division sales. Also note that intel killed the support for the "V" line of fpgas due to *Customer demand declined and continued support for these devices is no longer viable* as they put it exactly in their announcement. Guess what! devices with Spartan III are STILL made. head over to ettus and grab those sweet mini usrps. Since I work in r&d and have close ties with many uni research groups, everyone is developing on Xilinx. Even the freshly "opensourced" MIPS designs where sent to research groups were paired with ultrascale fpgas... in fact there are several on the next room where 2-3 phds are working on them.
to conclude, advertorials have zero credibility, they are just ads.
As long as Xilinx have a powerhouse like National Instruments in their corner, no other FPGA maker can come close to sniffing the edu/research user space. Intel have a horrific track record supporting their ucontrollers. The Quark was a buggy, putrid mess.
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jamesindevon - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
How credible is any Intel announcement of 10nm chips? Who's going to risk a product line on them without serious market development cash?hpglow - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Right now it will only be Intel trusting this. The article doesn't state that the chiplets on the interposer have to be 10nm. Also Intel put a much more competent team on building out 7nm. Possibly these issues will be resolved on that node as they are not going to be relying on multi patterning as much on that node.ksec - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
These 10nm are from the ( old? ) Custom Foundry, Intel mentioned the 10nm used in Custom Foundry is different to 10nm used in to their CPU, which has different set of design rules compares to 10nm used in Desktop / Server and Mobile.HStewart - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
So this means this chip does not have designed issues in Cannon Lake.FreckledTrout - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Likely very credible. The chiplet design allows for using different process for the various chiplets much like AMD is using 14nm for the IO and 7nm for the CPu chiplet in the upcoming Zen2.HStewart - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
I would agree it creditable, but this designed is already out with DELL XPS 15 2in1. Big question does the AMD designed allow non AMD components. I would think this flexibility is important where Intel is aiming this product at.Valantar - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
You're confusing EMIB with 10nm process tech - two entirely different things. Nobody is questioning Intel's ability to link together chiplets with EMIB, just their ability to make chips on 10nm.As someone said above, though, this is (reportedly) a different 10nm process from the defective CPU process, and besides that FPGAs are by their programmable nature more fault-tolerant than fixed-function hardware (just disable any damaged gates/etc., program around the error).
HStewart - Wednesday, April 3, 2019 - link
I think one needs to first look at this market, Altera was pretty much the leader of market - plus these are specialize products and perfect platform for Intel to test new process. In fact remember that EMiB is involved - I am typing this on a notebook (DELL XPS 15 2in1) that has EMiB on it with non Intel ( AMD) GPU - So 10nm on this device might be just FPGAI think it getting old for people blaming 10nm issues on Intel.This is likely not the same 10nm version that is used in Cannon Lake but something closer to Ice Lake that is coming out later this years.
Yorgos - Sunday, April 7, 2019 - link
that's why intel has purch and other companies to advertise their products.Intel doesn't have a 5g modem, but pays to get press attention for it.
Intel doesn't have a 10nm chip, but pays the press to "review" some samples
Altera has been shrinking since they got acpuired by intel, but hey just hit the meme button and put DDR5, 10nm, PCIe-5.0 in one article as bait for the clueless.
I don't regret at all, in fact I am more than happy everyday that I was lucky to work on the Xilinx eco-system for over 6 years.
Back in the day altera was pretty competitive, they came and showed us the first, unreleased back in 2013, opecl sdk with goodies like matlab integration... but after that, nothing.
disclaimer: Altera/Intel PSG or whatever they call it the kids nowadays, isn't just an fpga company anymore. Their numbers are inflated by adding "5g" tranceivers, embedded boards that intel will kill off in a few quarters and a ton(SI) of other devices that altera never made or intended to make. So, yeah, those numbrers on YoY growth are not only for fpgas, they contain Altera + intel's embedded division sales. Also note that intel killed the support for the "V" line of fpgas due to *Customer demand declined and continued support for these devices is no longer viable* as they put it exactly in their announcement. Guess what! devices with Spartan III are STILL made. head over to ettus and grab those sweet mini usrps. Since I work in r&d and have close ties with many uni research groups, everyone is developing on Xilinx. Even the freshly "opensourced" MIPS designs where sent to research groups were paired with ultrascale fpgas... in fact there are several on the next room where 2-3 phds are working on them.
to conclude, advertorials have zero credibility, they are just ads.
YB1064 - Monday, April 8, 2019 - link
As long as Xilinx have a powerhouse like National Instruments in their corner, no other FPGA maker can come close to sniffing the edu/research user space. Intel have a horrific track record supporting their ucontrollers. The Quark was a buggy, putrid mess.emniclap - Tuesday, April 23, 2019 - link
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