Extremely displeased with the gigantic waste of space where they aren't putting power loss protection for the HHHL aib version.
I'd think with their target market they would put even a slight amount of effort to make it a card that won't block all the fans on your giant HOF GPU, but instead they apparently just don't care.
Their target market is only interested in upspending from base models for frag harder disco lights. They made the right (but still terrible) design choice.
"While Palit mainly sells ultra-high-end video cards" - nope. Palit is a budget brand, so is Galax. The exception is the Galax HOF series which is indeed high-end.
Great product, it's about time someone (in addition to WD) came up with decent heatsinks for NVMe SSDs.
They do cheap stuff. Where did it fit in the line up of pricing? Did you buy it because it was high end, or because it was cheap compared to other GTX 1080's? Not saying it's bad, I've had a Palit GXT 1070ti which was a great card, but undoubtedly built down to a price.
>it's about time someone (in addition to WD) came up with decent heatsinks for NVMe SSDs.
Why? In most cases they simply don't need them. This thing has a gimicky heat pipe which will do little to dissipate heat, but does render it useless for laptop installation, and might interfere withsome bigger GPU coolers depending where on the baord it goes.
Most NVME drives have a metallic sticker, and in reality that is all they need for 955 of usage cases. For the 5% a thermal pad and stick of aluminium meets the threshold, like most high end motherboard have anyway.
I agree that most NVMe SSDs do not need heatsinks. However, there is a minority of users who want heatsinks whether for aesthetic reasons or to keep operating temperatures lower.
pretty much, the difference is a heatsink done right actually helps SSD especially modern ones as they get faster and faster and NEED a propr heatsink (for the fast as lightning ones of course) not to mention electronics like to stay at a medium heat level vs spiking up and down.
some like MSI heatshield attempts are just terribad, that being said this is not like DDR4 @1.25-1.35v where they do not need ram sinks at all where older gens might have needed, whereas drive wise they did not need much of any heatsink ability but now being nvme etc etc if consumers expect certain performance levels constantly the only way maybe to achieve that is via heatsinks so not throttle etc.
granted majority not need this, and the "few" that actually use these crazy speed drives vs slower ones is a small fraction.....hmmmmmm
So not only does it not fit in a laptop or mobile device anymore, but the target market, desktop pc's, could realistically put a $3 80mm fan on it that would probably perform better.
Without heat sink that wont do much. Ive been running heatsinks on my M.2 SSD for 2.5 years. Had to build a custom bracket to hold a 50mm fan blowing on it. That is much bigger than this solution.
They do actually have a decent purpose, just not in this application. They use the phase change from liquid to vapor to enhance the heat draw from a component, then recondense it at the cool end of the pipe.
Well, they do, because changing phase is a powerful effect. It takes a lot of energy to move a material into another state of matter, and then back again.
Considering the difference between the AIC and the m2, I wonder if the heat pipes EVEN TOUCH the controller, even with TIM. Might be something to test of they launch outside China
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XabanakFanatik - Thursday, March 28, 2019 - link
Extremely displeased with the gigantic waste of space where they aren't putting power loss protection for the HHHL aib version.I'd think with their target market they would put even a slight amount of effort to make it a card that won't block all the fans on your giant HOF GPU, but instead they apparently just don't care.
DanNeely - Thursday, March 28, 2019 - link
Their target market is only interested in upspending from base models for frag harder disco lights. They made the right (but still terrible) design choice.Koenig168 - Thursday, March 28, 2019 - link
"While Palit mainly sells ultra-high-end video cards" - nope. Palit is a budget brand, so is Galax. The exception is the Galax HOF series which is indeed high-end.Great product, it's about time someone (in addition to WD) came up with decent heatsinks for NVMe SSDs.
Death666Angel - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
So the Palit GTX 1080 I bought a couple years ago was not a high end card? You are one funny man.OolonCaluphid - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
They do cheap stuff. Where did it fit in the line up of pricing? Did you buy it because it was high end, or because it was cheap compared to other GTX 1080's? Not saying it's bad, I've had a Palit GXT 1070ti which was a great card, but undoubtedly built down to a price.flyingpants265 - Sunday, March 31, 2019 - link
No, it's a low-end GTX1080OolonCaluphid - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
>it's about time someone (in addition to WD) came up with decent heatsinks for NVMe SSDs.Why? In most cases they simply don't need them. This thing has a gimicky heat pipe which will do little to dissipate heat, but does render it useless for laptop installation, and might interfere withsome bigger GPU coolers depending where on the baord it goes.
Most NVME drives have a metallic sticker, and in reality that is all they need for 955 of usage cases. For the 5% a thermal pad and stick of aluminium meets the threshold, like most high end motherboard have anyway.
Koenig168 - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
I agree that most NVMe SSDs do not need heatsinks. However, there is a minority of users who want heatsinks whether for aesthetic reasons or to keep operating temperatures lower.Dragonstongue - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
pretty much, the difference is a heatsink done right actually helps SSD especially modern ones as they get faster and faster and NEED a propr heatsink (for the fast as lightning ones of course) not to mention electronics like to stay at a medium heat level vs spiking up and down.some like MSI heatshield attempts are just terribad, that being said this is not like DDR4 @1.25-1.35v where they do not need ram sinks at all where older gens might have needed, whereas drive wise they did not need much of any heatsink ability but now being nvme etc etc if consumers expect certain performance levels constantly the only way maybe to achieve that is via heatsinks so not throttle etc.
granted majority not need this, and the "few" that actually use these crazy speed drives vs slower ones is a small fraction.....hmmmmmm
Samus - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
Now I've seen it all.So not only does it not fit in a laptop or mobile device anymore, but the target market, desktop pc's, could realistically put a $3 80mm fan on it that would probably perform better.
Beaver M. - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
Without heat sink that wont do much.Ive been running heatsinks on my M.2 SSD for 2.5 years. Had to build a custom bracket to hold a 50mm fan blowing on it. That is much bigger than this solution.
paul sss - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
why are there not endurance ratings on this drive what is Drive Writes Per Day (DWPD)JoeyJoJo123 - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
Because that metric does not matter for their intended audience (gamers).If you want enterprise level endurance, buy enterprise grade SSDs.
sonny73n - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
Someone please tell me how copper heatpipes transfer heat better than solid copper.Direct touch heatpipes? Lame marketing gimmick.
OolonCaluphid - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
They do actually have a decent purpose, just not in this application. They use the phase change from liquid to vapor to enhance the heat draw from a component, then recondense it at the cool end of the pipe.piroroadkill - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Well, they do, because changing phase is a powerful effect. It takes a lot of energy to move a material into another state of matter, and then back again.MDD1963 - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
A heat pipe on SSDs? GOod idea, we do *not* want that 3-4 watts getting out of control and heat soaking our cases!piroroadkill - Tuesday, April 2, 2019 - link
Well, the 3-4 watts is going into your case no matter what cooling the thing hasGunbuster - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
The perfect complement to the 20 people nationwide who bought the Juggalo clown car video card...drajitshnew - Friday, March 29, 2019 - link
Considering the difference between the AIC and the m2, I wonder if the heat pipes EVEN TOUCH the controller, even with TIM. Might be something to test of they launch outside China