mmWave sounds completely impractical if even the human body (hands, head, torso) prevents transmission. Unless people are effectively sitting inside a radar dish surrounding them with transmission from all sides, such as in a stadium, how could it be useful? I’m skeptical of it being used in consumer products at all.
Antenna complexity and poor penetration are going to make it a tough sell, I think. Especially when its easy enough to still throw a 5G label on something without all that trouble.
The cell zones are spread across the stadium ceilings to try and give as much bandwidth as possible to the each sections of the stadium standing up will not block the signal unless the masts were actually outside the building then the building itself will be blocking the signal a bit
The QCOM X55 is a 2x4 antenna which is a poor man's phased array antenna (not enough elements) but well suited to stir up the activity on the infrastructure side. Without 5G infrastructure support the antenna will be dormant and the hardware a significant cost issue for the handset makers. Handset guys are seeding the market. Infrastructure equipment makers cannot make the 5G equipment cheap enough for Verizon to invest. I remember when 4G was actually fast, but that was when there were multiple competitors. Now it is just Verizon with a nationwide network of spectrum access that is capable of rolling out 5G.
Enter government assistance and this market is on a tear. Watch Singapore as a bellweather for the global 5G rollout with China to follow, then the USA as laggards. The Verizon CEO should be on Trump's meeting agenda for a "stimulus package".
BTW - multiple antennas with redundancy solves the stadium problem. Its just a lot of infrastructure hardware costs that someone needs to pay for so you can order popcorn from your phone.
To add to the previous comment, Standalone is "true" 5G. Non-Standalone is 5g that requires 4G infrastructures to work, so much of the 5G gains go down the drain due to needing 4G infrastructures to operate.
I apologize for my lack of clarification --- which brings to mind ... (cough) Net (cough) Neutrality (cough)
By enabling NSA network infrastructures, there will be instances whereby consumers MUST be aware their on-ramp to the Information Super Highways can be impeded by packets driven by the old Dudes (and, Dude-ettes) __ cruising around well below the posted speed limits with 'no particular place to go' ...
Why should I care about 5G? I don’t have an issue with my internet speeds with my phone or home so what does this bring? I’m *assuming* that this will also be exorbitantly priced and data limited. As-is I have data caps and costs
There is a point that isn't arguable. The speed at which a given amount of data can be moved to or from a phone has increased many times more rapidly than the amount allotted under various capping and throttling methods used by phone companies. I wouldn't expect the ratios to stay in lockstep at all, but we are talking about orders of magnitude more speed versus fractional percentage increases of data allotments. Forgiving phone companies for this is irresponsible. I won't accuse you of being a paid shill since I doubt that's the case, but I do think a certain amount of outrage on the part of the customers is fair and justified.
However justified that customer outrage about phone company pricing is (and it may be justified), it is still irrelevant to this conversation about new 5G technologies and standards.
Of course it's relevant - if your data cap implies you can on average consume only on the order of 100MB a day, then that means apps/sites will need to constrain their data usage to fit in that limit. Typical high-end 4g will transfer that amount of data in little more than 20s; the theoretical limit is much lower still.
That means it's pretty implausible for even the high-end of 4g transfer rates to actually matter, let alone even faster rates.
Now sure: if your cap is more like 300GB a month, rather than 3GB, then this starts becoming possible limiting, in some cases, and once you hit say 1tb a month it's likely even high-end 4g will be a seriously limiting factor. But given provider practices, how likely is that?
I don’t know why it should matter at all. Why would people suddenly start downloading vastly more simply because they can, in a shorter time? There comes a point where we’re getting everything we want, and don’t need more. Does someone really plan on downloading a GB a day, every day? I’ve got 26GB from my Verizon account, plus one month rollover. This includes my wife, who is using almost nothing, and my adult daughter who does. We also each get 2GB a month per phone.
Seriously, that’s a lot. I don’t see even true mmwave changing our patterns much. What would we want to do that we don’t do now? I can’t think of much.
Youtube quality options scales to speed of the mobile data 1440p can use a lot of data, but a lot of the time it be in 1080/720p, on my other phone that has a mass of mhz available my old pixel 1 xl could chug data very fast
Switch providers? I have tmobile and have hit 100GB in a month without a hint of throttling. Its really absurd when you turn to your mobile data to avoid data cabs on your landline cable internet. I recently went unlimited on cable and cancelled TV service, but to me, my cellular service has been stellar and always improving compared to landline service. Tmobile has also said 5G service will come and they wont change their pricing. If they keep it up and 5G turns out to be all that everyone says it will be, I may just ditch cable all together.
Have you ever considered the possibility that data caps might be the reason why you don't have congestion issues?
In many European markets sim-cards without data caps are being offered for prices starting as low as 15-20e/month and people use them together with 4G-wifi-hotspots to replace their home internet connections. Since people watch Netflix, Youtube and similar all the time in HD quality, this causes great strain to LTE-networks, which are in many places congested.
Not everywhere and always, but there are many suburbs where people are "complaining" that their "up-to" 150Mbps LTE actually works at ~10Mbps at 9pm with varying ping times due to congestion. Not to mention public places like concerts, ice hockey halls, football stadiums etc. 5G makes is easier and cheaper to serve such concentrations of users.
Congestion? Are you kidding me? We’re living in the 21st century in the great US of A and you’re talking about internet congestion?
In many states, telecom giants were given billions in tax cuts and subsidies to deploy network upgrades that were never actually delivered. In Orange County, CA where I live, there’s many area with poor mobile network coverage and home internet. Can you believe this day and age, I can only get 3Mbps max ADSL for my home from AT&T (no other available ISPs whatsoever in this area).
There’s many articles on motherboard .com about these blood sucking telecom companies.
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present for your consideration.... the forward thinking individual.
Why do I need a car? My horse takes me everywhere I want to go and doesn't need roads.
Why do I need broadband at all? My 56K modem downloads my emails just fine.
Why bother with toilet paper? There are leaves EVERYWHERE!
So when more and more services move online (TV and radio are the start, we're seeing game streaming possibly happening and more and more services like banks and doctors are using video conferencing rather than face to face meetings) you'll definitely start whinging when you / your provider hits bandwidth limitations. 5G isn't coming out tomorrow, it's a long way off full deployment and it is the job of these companies to look to future needs, not just service the existing ones.
Now excuse me whilst I rub these sticks together and get a fire going. It's cold in here.
it's no different from what happens when a limited-access highway is built between A and B, or an existing 4-lane is widen to 6-lane. within a week of opening, the road is just as clogged as it was before. it's called the tragedy of the commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commo...
In some areas there Are roo Many people so that 4g is not wide enough to those customers. 5* allows more people in the same Are use data and phone connections than 4g does. In rural areas and less people Dance areas 4g and 3G Are better choise because They have much longer range so you don`t need so Many stations.
"Do you also hang out on farming websites posting how you don’t care about the newest models of combine harvesters?"
a new harvester is a single-user private good. you're having one, or not, doesn't affect me (except that I may be a less efficient farmer; or you may be). there is no common resource at issue. there's a reason China took all our manufacturing; not by smarter, newer production methods, but by replicating 19th century New England mill towns. a little capital, a lot of hands.
Your attitude is wrong. Why are you even reading anandtech if you don't care about new technologies? I'll humor you with an answer: 5G will make your data caps and costs go down, as it's a competing solution. Once fully implemented 5G will be able to compete with broadband providers, without needing to lay cable/fiber to every home. Just because you're not interested in 5G right now, it doesn't mean it won't be of interest in the future, or that it won't benefit you indirectly.
My attitude is just fine. I am legitimately asking what 5G does for me - it’s being touted as some kind of magic bullet, but for what? This is why I am on a tech site, to get answers. More bandwidth is good but if that’s all this is big whoop we currently have plenty via LTE and nothing we are streaming now or near term needs it. Hell 4k video is still essentially MIA so it’s not like we are crying for mobile bandwidth today - congestion issues aside.
But that's just the thing - more bandwidth helps solve congestion issues, because wireless networks are a shared medium.
Say there are 8 1MB timeslots, to be shared among people, and you quadruple the bandwidth, now there are 32 1MB timeslots, so both total amount transferred *and* latency can go down.
Obviously it doesn't matter if the backhaul can't cope, but it does matter if there are 32 people on the local 4G network and they're all trying to use the system at once. Even better, it's a (either partially or completely) parallel network, so it's not just widening the road, it's an *extra*, wider road.
Thanks Ian! This will be interesting. To me, the most important clarification is that 5G is really split into 2 or 3 incarnations; the first one uses frequencies in the existing mobile spectrum, but more MIMO and wider bands, the second is the one just above that, and the last is the mm band one, which has the biggest problems to make mobile use feasible. Question: does anybody have radiation power levels for some of these implementations? If some of these 5 companies are shipping modems now, they must have shown up at the regulatory agencies, and they usually measure radiation loads and power. Those could give an initial estimate just how power-hungry these modems are.
And, here my pet peeve: backhaul. Many places/countries simply don't have enough of the high-speed networks (typically fiber) deployed to handle the flood of data 5G can generate. That, more than any technological challenge, will limit 5G usefulness.
Really don‘t see the point of mmWave 5G, it‘s even blocked by glass windows, so at locations people spend 95% of their time (cars, trains, coffeeshops, ...) using devices it‘s useless!
@Ian Cutress Here is your proof-reading for this article. In brackets are the corrections ;-)
Huawei’s Balong 5000 Modem For 5G at Sub-6 GHz frequencies, the Balong 5000 can enable 2x carrier aggregation over 100 MHz bands, enabling up to 4.6 GHz (Gbps) download and 2.5 Gbps upload.
Samsung: The issue with (doubled up, use either one "with" or delete "with always") always with Samsung is that they’re exceedingly
MediaTek's helio M70 it is highly likely that we should expect to see this chip in the mid-to-high (end) handsets;
Hope that helps ;-) Interesting read. now off to read some EE articles ;-)
First issue is power,then cost and others. The reality is that it's not worth buying 5G anytime soon and there won't be real volumes with discrete modems (Apple excluded) so all this hardware is for consumers that do not know any better. Downplaying mmWave is not cool at all, what's the point in going 5G without it? mmWave is what matters.
it's not yet clear that 'real' 5G can be made to work at a cost/price point (not to mention radiation) that is sustainable. if it were just like the case of owning a '79 Yugo or Ferrari (they're independent), that would be one thing. but mmWave 5G requires finding technical answers that may not exist. it's still 99% vaporware. call it Gates G.
The "Full" 3GPP Rel15 isn't even frozen yet, that is coming in a few weeks time, assuming no further delay to the spec.
I disagree abut Rel 16 being low power devices only, It will have lots of additional features, but it is more like fixing and fine tuning ( MIMO Refinement ) everything about about the first release of 5G, which is Real 15.
Rel 16 is frozen until late 2019 and now looking at March 2020. Again assuming no further delays.
Other than that I say It is another very good article from Anandtech. Thank you for explaining 5G, I get tired of trying to argue ( or correct ) people about their 5G timeline and expectation.
While I would have guess Intel 8160 to be an 10nm Chip, I assume they had even a silicon to show in MWC suggest that might not be the case ( Or they are faking it as there isn't even a work chip inside ). The Size of UniSoC 5G Modem was also interesting, assuming they didn't do any Photoshop on it. It was quite small considering it is on 12nm.
The post talks about the Sizing Up the 5G Modem Market: Qualcomm, Intel, Huawei, Samsung, UniSOC, and Mediatek. The article denotes that the core of the technology depends on end-points being capable of picking up the sign, whether it is the ‘Sub 6 GHz’ flavor of 5G or the mmWave flavor.
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LiviuTM - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Never heard of Malaku, only of MakaluSmell This - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Nice job, AT (and Ian)...magreen - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
mmWave sounds completely impractical if even the human body (hands, head, torso) prevents transmission. Unless people are effectively sitting inside a radar dish surrounding them with transmission from all sides, such as in a stadium, how could it be useful? I’m skeptical of it being used in consumer products at all.PeachNCream - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Antenna complexity and poor penetration are going to make it a tough sell, I think. Especially when its easy enough to still throw a 5G label on something without all that trouble.Frenetic Pony - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Good for backhaul probably, but in a stadium? People stand up cause they're excited and suddenly your connection is gone.FunBunny2 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
before they used satellites, the Phone Company used point-to-point microwave antennas for long-distance. still do, but not general phone use.leexgx - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
The cell zones are spread across the stadium ceilings to try and give as much bandwidth as possible to the each sections of the stadium standing up will not block the signal unless the masts were actually outside the building then the building itself will be blocking the signal a bitname99 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Working in a stadium (and similar such crowded venues) is not nothing!Something doesn’t have to work everywhere for it to be useful.
IrwinFletcher - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
The QCOM X55 is a 2x4 antenna which is a poor man's phased array antenna (not enough elements) but well suited to stir up the activity on the infrastructure side. Without 5G infrastructure support the antenna will be dormant and the hardware a significant cost issue for the handset makers. Handset guys are seeding the market. Infrastructure equipment makers cannot make the 5G equipment cheap enough for Verizon to invest. I remember when 4G was actually fast, but that was when there were multiple competitors. Now it is just Verizon with a nationwide network of spectrum access that is capable of rolling out 5G.Enter government assistance and this market is on a tear. Watch Singapore as a bellweather for the global 5G rollout with China to follow, then the USA as laggards. The Verizon CEO should be on Trump's meeting agenda for a "stimulus package".
BTW - multiple antennas with redundancy solves the stadium problem. Its just a lot of infrastructure hardware costs that someone needs to pay for so you can order popcorn from your phone.
spaceship9876 - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Your article mentions SA and NSA multiple times yet i can't find anywhere in the article that says what these 2 things mean.Smell This - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Standalone (SA)Non-Standalone (NSA)
_____ ____________ ______
5G versions from the "3GPP"
(telecommunications standards associations)
heffeque - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
To add to the previous comment, Standalone is "true" 5G. Non-Standalone is 5g that requires 4G infrastructures to work, so much of the 5G gains go down the drain due to needing 4G infrastructures to operate.Smell This - Thursday, March 7, 2019 - link
I apologize for my lack of clarification --- which brings to mind ...(cough) Net (cough) Neutrality (cough)
By enabling NSA network infrastructures, there will be instances whereby consumers MUST be aware their on-ramp to the Information Super Highways can be impeded by packets driven by the old Dudes (and, Dude-ettes) __ cruising around well below the posted speed limits with 'no particular place to go' ...
(thank you, Chuck! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpitvLeNjuE)
Icehawk - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Why should I care about 5G? I don’t have an issue with my internet speeds with my phone or home so what does this bring? I’m *assuming* that this will also be exorbitantly priced and data limited. As-is I have data caps and costsmagreen - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Everything new is expensive for early adopters. Like broadband internet. That doesn’t mean it stays expensive once it’s widespread.PeachNCream - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
There is a point that isn't arguable. The speed at which a given amount of data can be moved to or from a phone has increased many times more rapidly than the amount allotted under various capping and throttling methods used by phone companies. I wouldn't expect the ratios to stay in lockstep at all, but we are talking about orders of magnitude more speed versus fractional percentage increases of data allotments. Forgiving phone companies for this is irresponsible. I won't accuse you of being a paid shill since I doubt that's the case, but I do think a certain amount of outrage on the part of the customers is fair and justified.magreen - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
However justified that customer outrage about phone company pricing is (and it may be justified), it is still irrelevant to this conversation about new 5G technologies and standards.emn13 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Of course it's relevant - if your data cap implies you can on average consume only on the order of 100MB a day, then that means apps/sites will need to constrain their data usage to fit in that limit. Typical high-end 4g will transfer that amount of data in little more than 20s; the theoretical limit is much lower still.That means it's pretty implausible for even the high-end of 4g transfer rates to actually matter, let alone even faster rates.
Now sure: if your cap is more like 300GB a month, rather than 3GB, then this starts becoming possible limiting, in some cases, and once you hit say 1tb a month it's likely even high-end 4g will be a seriously limiting factor. But given provider practices, how likely is that?
melgross - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
I don’t know why it should matter at all. Why would people suddenly start downloading vastly more simply because they can, in a shorter time? There comes a point where we’re getting everything we want, and don’t need more. Does someone really plan on downloading a GB a day, every day? I’ve got 26GB from my Verizon account, plus one month rollover. This includes my wife, who is using almost nothing, and my adult daughter who does. We also each get 2GB a month per phone.Seriously, that’s a lot. I don’t see even true mmwave changing our patterns much. What would we want to do that we don’t do now? I can’t think of much.
leexgx - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Youtube quality options scales to speed of the mobile data 1440p can use a lot of data, but a lot of the time it be in 1080/720p, on my other phone that has a mass of mhz available my old pixel 1 xl could chug data very fastMrRuckus - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Switch providers? I have tmobile and have hit 100GB in a month without a hint of throttling. Its really absurd when you turn to your mobile data to avoid data cabs on your landline cable internet. I recently went unlimited on cable and cancelled TV service, but to me, my cellular service has been stellar and always improving compared to landline service. Tmobile has also said 5G service will come and they wont change their pricing. If they keep it up and 5G turns out to be all that everyone says it will be, I may just ditch cable all together.zepi - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Have you ever considered the possibility that data caps might be the reason why you don't have congestion issues?In many European markets sim-cards without data caps are being offered for prices starting as low as 15-20e/month and people use them together with 4G-wifi-hotspots to replace their home internet connections. Since people watch Netflix, Youtube and similar all the time in HD quality, this causes great strain to LTE-networks, which are in many places congested.
Not everywhere and always, but there are many suburbs where people are "complaining" that their "up-to" 150Mbps LTE actually works at ~10Mbps at 9pm with varying ping times due to congestion. Not to mention public places like concerts, ice hockey halls, football stadiums etc. 5G makes is easier and cheaper to serve such concentrations of users.
sonny73n - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Congestion? Are you kidding me? We’re living in the 21st century in the great US of A and you’re talking about internet congestion?In many states, telecom giants were given billions in tax cuts and subsidies to deploy network upgrades that were never actually delivered. In Orange County, CA where I live, there’s many area with poor mobile network coverage and home internet. Can you believe this day and age, I can only get 3Mbps max ADSL for my home from AT&T (no other available ISPs whatsoever in this area).
There’s many articles on motherboard .com about these blood sucking telecom companies.
philehidiot - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Ladies and gentlemen, may I present for your consideration.... the forward thinking individual.Why do I need a car? My horse takes me everywhere I want to go and doesn't need roads.
Why do I need broadband at all? My 56K modem downloads my emails just fine.
Why bother with toilet paper? There are leaves EVERYWHERE!
So when more and more services move online (TV and radio are the start, we're seeing game streaming possibly happening and more and more services like banks and doctors are using video conferencing rather than face to face meetings) you'll definitely start whinging when you / your provider hits bandwidth limitations. 5G isn't coming out tomorrow, it's a long way off full deployment and it is the job of these companies to look to future needs, not just service the existing ones.
Now excuse me whilst I rub these sticks together and get a fire going. It's cold in here.
emn13 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
A better analogy would be: I'd love to want a car, but I'm chained to a post, so let's fix that first, ok?No point if 5g if the limiting factor is elsewhere.
r3loaded - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
> I’m *assuming* that this will also be exorbitantly priced and data limited. As-is I have data caps and costsOnce again, I need to point out that this is a US specific problem and no amount of technology will solve what is ultimately a political problem.
Badelhas - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Its not a US specific problem. I live in Portugal and we also have ridiculous data caps on our smartphone data plans.FunBunny2 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
it's no different from what happens when a limited-access highway is built between A and B, or an existing 4-lane is widen to 6-lane. within a week of opening, the road is just as clogged as it was before. it's called the tragedy of the commons: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tragedy_of_the_commo...haukionkannel - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
In some areas there Are roo Many people so that 4g is not wide enough to those customers. 5* allows more people in the same Are use data and phone connections than 4g does. In rural areas and less people Dance areas 4g and 3G Are better choise because They have much longer range so you don`t need so Many stations.name99 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Then don’t care. But why tell us?Do you also hang out on farming websites posting how you don’t care about the newest models of combine harvesters?
FunBunny2 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
"Do you also hang out on farming websites posting how you don’t care about the newest models of combine harvesters?"a new harvester is a single-user private good. you're having one, or not, doesn't affect me (except that I may be a less efficient farmer; or you may be). there is no common resource at issue. there's a reason China took all our manufacturing; not by smarter, newer production methods, but by replicating 19th century New England mill towns. a little capital, a lot of hands.
niva - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Your attitude is wrong. Why are you even reading anandtech if you don't care about new technologies? I'll humor you with an answer: 5G will make your data caps and costs go down, as it's a competing solution. Once fully implemented 5G will be able to compete with broadband providers, without needing to lay cable/fiber to every home. Just because you're not interested in 5G right now, it doesn't mean it won't be of interest in the future, or that it won't benefit you indirectly.Icehawk - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
My attitude is just fine. I am legitimately asking what 5G does for me - it’s being touted as some kind of magic bullet, but for what? This is why I am on a tech site, to get answers. More bandwidth is good but if that’s all this is big whoop we currently have plenty via LTE and nothing we are streaming now or near term needs it. Hell 4k video is still essentially MIA so it’s not like we are crying for mobile bandwidth today - congestion issues aside.GreenReaper - Friday, March 8, 2019 - link
But that's just the thing - more bandwidth helps solve congestion issues, because wireless networks are a shared medium.Say there are 8 1MB timeslots, to be shared among people, and you quadruple the bandwidth, now there are 32 1MB timeslots, so both total amount transferred *and* latency can go down.
Obviously it doesn't matter if the backhaul can't cope, but it does matter if there are 32 people on the local 4G network and they're all trying to use the system at once. Even better, it's a (either partially or completely) parallel network, so it's not just widening the road, it's an *extra*, wider road.
leexgx - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
In the EU/uk we don't normally charge for 4g (usa treat 3g and 4g like there own plans)eastcoast_pete - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Thanks Ian! This will be interesting. To me, the most important clarification is that 5G is really split into 2 or 3 incarnations; the first one uses frequencies in the existing mobile spectrum, but more MIMO and wider bands, the second is the one just above that, and the last is the mm band one, which has the biggest problems to make mobile use feasible. Question: does anybody have radiation power levels for some of these implementations? If some of these 5 companies are shipping modems now, they must have shown up at the regulatory agencies, and they usually measure radiation loads and power. Those could give an initial estimate just how power-hungry these modems are.And, here my pet peeve: backhaul. Many places/countries simply don't have enough of the high-speed networks (typically fiber) deployed to handle the flood of data 5G can generate. That, more than any technological challenge, will limit 5G usefulness.
SydneyBlue120d - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
I'd like to see a comparison table of these modems :)imaheadcase - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
5G..so for the %1 of people who don't have WiFi. right..lolGlossGhost - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
It goes deeper than that, you are being slightly ignorant here.imaheadcase - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
umm, its two different techs..nothing ignorant at all about it.bernstein - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Really don‘t see the point of mmWave 5G, it‘s even blocked by glass windows, so at locations people spend 95% of their time (cars, trains, coffeeshops, ...) using devices it‘s useless!GlossGhost - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
Thanks for the detailed coverage, the post does however need a re-read to fix some typos.levizx - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
X50 must be paired with 855 yet moto m3 5G Mod is paired with 835?Ian Cutress - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
The mod itself has an 855 inside enabling connectivity.https://www.anandtech.com/show/13676/moto-5g-mod-a...
All the Mi-Fi devices that use the X50 also have an 855 inside.
levizx - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
Hmmm, that's an interesting use of a fully functional SoC.Aries1470 - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
@Ian CutressHere is your proof-reading for this article.
In brackets are the corrections ;-)
Huawei’s Balong 5000 Modem
For 5G at Sub-6 GHz frequencies, the Balong 5000 can enable 2x carrier aggregation over 100 MHz bands, enabling up to 4.6 GHz (Gbps) download and 2.5 Gbps upload.
Samsung:
The issue with (doubled up, use either one "with" or delete "with always") always with Samsung is that they’re exceedingly
MediaTek's helio M70
it is highly likely that we should expect to see this chip in the mid-to-high (end) handsets;
Hope that helps ;-)
Interesting read. now off to read some EE articles ;-)
Pino - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
I don't need 5G, hell I don't even need 4G.3G speed limit is 42mbps, give a good stable 3G coverage, with about 21mbps and I'm happy.
jjj - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
First issue is power,then cost and others.The reality is that it's not worth buying 5G anytime soon and there won't be real volumes with discrete modems (Apple excluded) so all this hardware is for consumers that do not know any better.
Downplaying mmWave is not cool at all, what's the point in going 5G without it? mmWave is what matters.
FunBunny2 - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
"mmWave is what matters."it's not yet clear that 'real' 5G can be made to work at a cost/price point (not to mention radiation) that is sustainable. if it were just like the case of owning a '79 Yugo or Ferrari (they're independent), that would be one thing. but mmWave 5G requires finding technical answers that may not exist. it's still 99% vaporware. call it Gates G.
ksec - Wednesday, March 6, 2019 - link
A few things that needs, shall I say Correction?The "Full" 3GPP Rel15 isn't even frozen yet, that is coming in a few weeks time, assuming no further delay to the spec.
I disagree abut Rel 16 being low power devices only, It will have lots of additional features, but it is more like fixing and fine tuning ( MIMO Refinement ) everything about about the first release of 5G, which is Real 15.
Rel 16 is frozen until late 2019 and now looking at March 2020. Again assuming no further delays.
Other than that I say It is another very good article from Anandtech. Thank you for explaining 5G, I get tired of trying to argue ( or correct ) people about their 5G timeline and expectation.
While I would have guess Intel 8160 to be an 10nm Chip, I assume they had even a silicon to show in MWC suggest that might not be the case ( Or they are faking it as there isn't even a work chip inside ). The Size of UniSoC 5G Modem was also interesting, assuming they didn't do any Photoshop on it. It was quite small considering it is on 12nm.
Patriciamusick - Thursday, March 7, 2019 - link
The post talks about the Sizing Up the 5G Modem Market: Qualcomm, Intel, Huawei, Samsung, UniSOC, and Mediatek. The article denotes that the core of the technology depends on end-points being capable of picking up the sign, whether it is the ‘Sub 6 GHz’ flavor of 5G or the mmWave flavor.Thanks,
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Dajeepman - Wednesday, March 13, 2019 - link
So what's the point for 5g? The carriers right now don't have enough back haul to give everyone 4g speeds?Chad - Saturday, June 8, 2019 - link
"enabling up to 4.6 GHz download and 2.5 Gbps upload"4.6Gbs maybe?