The fact that Intel's Gen10 graphics is vaporware, that is probably the reason why nVidia has been able to procrastinate so long on the low end.
I suspect that this particular move is an effort to capture some potential Cannon Lake combo sales (most are currently paired with low end Radeons) and Ryzens with their IGP gaining in popularity.
Alll 3 "different" GPUs are powered by very slightly different versions of the GP108. Basically pointless in a notebook. Not powerful enough to be worth the power draw.
Thats basically true. IF a manufacture decided to wire the external outputs to the GPU instead of the Intel Graphics, then this would have a place. Outside of playing 10 year old games, there is no performance increase in having these GPUs for any kind of desktop work, which is where the intel actually suffers. I run many monitors off laptops and as everything always goes via the Intel and you cant witch it off, there are dropped frames, high latency and just bad performance across the board. Funny enough, close the lid on the laptop, plus in an Nvidia 1030 in a Thunderbolt 3 box into the external monitors and performance is fantastic, no laggy latency issues. Intel and manufactures are the problem and with it, make these GPUs pointless for 99% of all purposes.
That is not true at all. These GPUs make basically all latest games playable at reduced resolution/settings, which is acceptable for many casual gamers, or gamers on the go. Integrated Intel graphics is several times weaker, and can run at decent fps only a fraction of games.
It does, but hopefully NVIDIA isn't offering way to feed the GPU with DDR3 at this point. It seems like GDDR5 is now a requirement. If that's the case, it will at least address one problem with budget segment GPUs that has been haunting them for a number of years.
Nvidia actually "fixed" the ddr3 problem with the MX150, which is always using gddr5. The same isn't true for the MX130 (this one is a maxwell rebrand in any case, not gp108), albeit nowadays it usually seems to ship with gddr5 too.
What leads you to believe that you can conclude performance from how it looks? And why don't you understand that manufacturing in exactly the same form factor as previous is actually better for notebook OEMs?
It won't. The lowest gpu featuring nvenc is gp107. Gp108 lacks the physical hardware AFAIK. This is why quadro p600 is the lowest worthwhile gpu from Nvidia. All the hardware encode and decode blocks as well as 128b memory bus.
My guess is the MX250 is the 25W MX150, the MX130 is the 10W MX150. Maxwell gets axed (940MX = MX130). Slim chance of "11/12nm," so most likely still Samsung 14nm.
I still don't understand the point of these gpus. They are not fast enough to game with and consume more energy than integrated graphics. I don't understand the use case or value proposition for these.
can't game? au contraire: I game on my mx150(the full version) relatively decently, for a 15", 2.7lb (1.2 kg) laptop (the samsung notebook 9 np900x5t). Albeit, I had to invest some time into finding the absolute lowest voltage I could feed to the CPU and GPU, while keeping them at their fast boost speeds, but after undervolting them both significantly, I can GTA V totally maxed out, everything set highest at ~60fps @ 1080p, and even the latest titles I can run at low or medium usually at 1080p or nearly 1080. So it depends on what you consider "gaming". If you consider gaming to be only 4k maxed settings for latest titles, then you're right, but if you consider gaming to be able to run the latest titles fluidly, albeit at lower settings, then people absolutely can with the MX150 with a bit of tweaking
IE you're better off with a console. Such a low end dGPU just doesn't make a lot of sense. You're better off putting the money towards a dedicated gaming system that doesn't compromise the mobility of your laptop.
I guess I'll have to forego a notebook and carry my console around in my bag to get work done just so I don't have to game on an MX250. No, there's definitely no use case for these low power GPUs that can game at 900p/1080p in a lot of titles in 2.5-3lb notebooks. /s
Bringing consoles into the discussion when talking about these light notebooks is ridiculous., it's not even in the same ballpark.. or even sport for that matter. The only argument you could possibly make is carry a Switch around with you. But then you're carrying two things instead of one, and as well it's not close to the same game library.
Comparing laptop gaming to a wall tethered console is totally missing the point of these chips. We get it, you have no use for portable gaming. But assuming the rest of the world doesn't either is ... um, easy to disprove?
But I have a gaming system. That I don't want to take with me on the plane, in a business trip. But at the hotel I still want to play SOME games. Oh...and I want portability first, so I personally eliminate any 15" or larger (infact I accepted 14" just to widen my choice).
@JoshuasBusiness, can you also teach me how to find the "sweet spot" in undervolting? I've got an i7-6700HQ and GTX950M and I've currently undervolted the CPU by 140 mV, but I don't know how to check if I can undervolt further and with how much I can undervolt the GPU. My e-mail is [email protected], you can write to me, thanks.
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tipoo - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
If this is more or less standing still vs the MX150, I wonder how much Gen11 graphics can close the gap with it.Kevin G - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
The fact that Intel's Gen10 graphics is vaporware, that is probably the reason why nVidia has been able to procrastinate so long on the low end.I suspect that this particular move is an effort to capture some potential Cannon Lake combo sales (most are currently paired with low end Radeons) and Ryzens with their IGP gaining in popularity.
Flunk - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Alll 3 "different" GPUs are powered by very slightly different versions of the GP108. Basically pointless in a notebook. Not powerful enough to be worth the power draw.danielfranklin - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Thats basically true.IF a manufacture decided to wire the external outputs to the GPU instead of the Intel Graphics, then this would have a place.
Outside of playing 10 year old games, there is no performance increase in having these GPUs for any kind of desktop work, which is where the intel actually suffers.
I run many monitors off laptops and as everything always goes via the Intel and you cant witch it off, there are dropped frames, high latency and just bad performance across the board.
Funny enough, close the lid on the laptop, plus in an Nvidia 1030 in a Thunderbolt 3 box into the external monitors and performance is fantastic, no laggy latency issues.
Intel and manufactures are the problem and with it, make these GPUs pointless for 99% of all purposes.
neblogai - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link
That is not true at all. These GPUs make basically all latest games playable at reduced resolution/settings, which is acceptable for many casual gamers, or gamers on the go. Integrated Intel graphics is several times weaker, and can run at decent fps only a fraction of games.OremLK - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Looks *exactly* like a rebadged MX150. Bummer, I was hoping it'd be a real upgrade for some of these new ultrabooks.PeachNCream - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
It does, but hopefully NVIDIA isn't offering way to feed the GPU with DDR3 at this point. It seems like GDDR5 is now a requirement. If that's the case, it will at least address one problem with budget segment GPUs that has been haunting them for a number of years.mczak - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Nvidia actually "fixed" the ddr3 problem with the MX150, which is always using gddr5. The same isn't true for the MX130 (this one is a maxwell rebrand in any case, not gp108), albeit nowadays it usually seems to ship with gddr5 too.PeachNCream - Friday, February 22, 2019 - link
Ah thank you for setting me straight on that one. I was getting the MX150 and MX130 mixed up a bit.MadManMark - Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - link
What leads you to believe that you can conclude performance from how it looks? And why don't you understand that manufacturing in exactly the same form factor as previous is actually better for notebook OEMs?ArcadeEngineer - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Hopefully this includes NVENC support, unlike MX150. It probably won't, but I can hope.Ej24 - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
It won't. The lowest gpu featuring nvenc is gp107. Gp108 lacks the physical hardware AFAIK. This is why quadro p600 is the lowest worthwhile gpu from Nvidia. All the hardware encode and decode blocks as well as 128b memory bus.jeremyshaw - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
My guess is the MX250 is the 25W MX150, the MX130 is the 10W MX150. Maxwell gets axed (940MX = MX130). Slim chance of "11/12nm," so most likely still Samsung 14nm.Phil85 - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
And it will be priced at the low, low price of $599 with a Founder's Edition at $699. I can't wait.oRAirwolf - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
I still don't understand the point of these gpus. They are not fast enough to game with and consume more energy than integrated graphics. I don't understand the use case or value proposition for these.patel21 - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
Man search youtube for gaming reviews of laptops with MX150. In countries like India, the only gpu you can get under 800$ is MX150 or Radeon 540.JoshuasBusiness - Thursday, February 21, 2019 - link
can't game? au contraire: I game on my mx150(the full version) relatively decently, for a 15", 2.7lb (1.2 kg) laptop (the samsung notebook 9 np900x5t). Albeit, I had to invest some time into finding the absolute lowest voltage I could feed to the CPU and GPU, while keeping them at their fast boost speeds, but after undervolting them both significantly, I can GTA V totally maxed out, everything set highest at ~60fps @ 1080p, and even the latest titles I can run at low or medium usually at 1080p or nearly 1080. So it depends on what you consider "gaming". If you consider gaming to be only 4k maxed settings for latest titles, then you're right, but if you consider gaming to be able to run the latest titles fluidly, albeit at lower settings, then people absolutely can with the MX150 with a bit of tweakingpatel21 - Friday, February 22, 2019 - link
Exactly my point bro.Midwayman - Friday, February 22, 2019 - link
IE you're better off with a console. Such a low end dGPU just doesn't make a lot of sense. You're better off putting the money towards a dedicated gaming system that doesn't compromise the mobility of your laptop.hfm - Sunday, February 24, 2019 - link
I guess I'll have to forego a notebook and carry my console around in my bag to get work done just so I don't have to game on an MX250. No, there's definitely no use case for these low power GPUs that can game at 900p/1080p in a lot of titles in 2.5-3lb notebooks. /sBringing consoles into the discussion when talking about these light notebooks is ridiculous., it's not even in the same ballpark.. or even sport for that matter. The only argument you could possibly make is carry a Switch around with you. But then you're carrying two things instead of one, and as well it's not close to the same game library.
MadManMark - Wednesday, February 27, 2019 - link
Comparing laptop gaming to a wall tethered console is totally missing the point of these chips. We get it, you have no use for portable gaming. But assuming the rest of the world doesn't either is ... um, easy to disprove?mathew7 - Friday, March 8, 2019 - link
But I have a gaming system. That I don't want to take with me on the plane, in a business trip. But at the hotel I still want to play SOME games. Oh...and I want portability first, so I personally eliminate any 15" or larger (infact I accepted 14" just to widen my choice).br&newandrei - Tuesday, March 5, 2019 - link
@JoshuasBusiness, can you also teach me how to find the "sweet spot" in undervolting? I've got an i7-6700HQ and GTX950M and I've currently undervolted the CPU by 140 mV, but I don't know how to check if I can undervolt further and with how much I can undervolt the GPU. My e-mail is [email protected], you can write to me, thanks.urbanman2004 - Friday, February 22, 2019 - link
Specs probably weren't revealed due to them not being something to write home a/b