@Andrei Frumusanu : If Qualcomm offers the 712 for the same price as 710 or will move the 710 into a lower price bracket, then we kinda have Qualcomm competing with Qualcomm and competition is always welcome :)
XDA is posting that the SD712 supports Qualcomm's True Wireless Stereo (or whatever they call it) for independent connections to a pair of wireless ear buds, and Broadcast Audio for sending BT Audio to multiple client devices simultaneously.
However, they have some errors in their spec table so not sure if this audio bit is accurate or not.
Isnt the true wireless thing just BT5.0? They may have updated the firmware stack or something in the BT of th 712 though i guess. Anyway, doesnt even look like a respin, just a small clockbump. I dont think there is anything different on the silicon. I wonder if their testing has shown the 2.3ghz Kyro 360 matching the 2.0ghz 460 in many tasks. I would still think the 460 in the SD675 would be faster in a number of tasks. I dont know much about Samsung 11nm process, apparently its more of a small tweak to the 14nm process. They should have just built the 675 with its Kyro 460 on 10nm with the 710 radio and stopped having so many SKUs and give better performance to everyone.
They don't. It's just the manufacturing processes are now better, allowing them to squeeze out more juice out of the processors at the same thermal envelopes.
The firmware changes that might add new capabilities are probably based on existing research they're doing on any/all of their chips with a simple determination that it could also work on this one.
In summary, these chips are the same in terms of production, with higher clocks and minor changes to the firmware within the chips/modems that allow more capabilities to be added. Since the end result is a better chip with more capability, might as well call it a new model.
Underwhelming product, unless this replaces the 710 at the same or lower price (unlikely). Do marketing gimmicks like this indicate that Qualcomm has lost its edge and is coasting along in the mid-price range? Too bad that Huawei (HiSilicon) at least appears to not be willing to sell their SoCs to other manufacturers. They would kill QC in the mid-lower and lower range, and there are enough people who look for capable phones below the $ 300 mark.
I like 675 better, because of A76. Higher frequencies are not very useful in a phone as they lead to higher power draw and thermal throttling. Newer uarch OTOH....
Newer uArch on a WORSE process. 11LPP is somewhat on par with 10LPE in terms of power, slightly worse performance and moderately lower costs. So you lose ~15% power efficiency by going from 10LPP to 11LPP anyway. As far as efficiency goes, S712 is still better than S675 overall - a slight loss on A75 vs A76, but 15% gain applies to every other component including A55, ISP, GPU, DSP, Baseband etc.
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Mikl1984 - Thursday, February 7, 2019 - link
Main difference is Wi-Fi supporting 60 GHzTri-band Wi-Fi: 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz with Dual Band Simultaneous (DBS) + 60 GHz
Andrei Frumusanu - Thursday, February 7, 2019 - link
No. The 710 supported all of that already.Mikl1984 - Thursday, February 7, 2019 - link
I am based on comparisonhttps://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-712-m...
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon-710-m...
Another difference QC 4+
May be on paper only again :)
IGTrading - Friday, February 8, 2019 - link
@Andrei Frumusanu : If Qualcomm offers the 712 for the same price as 710 or will move the 710 into a lower price bracket, then we kinda have Qualcomm competing with Qualcomm and competition is always welcome :)phoenix_rizzen - Thursday, February 7, 2019 - link
XDA is posting that the SD712 supports Qualcomm's True Wireless Stereo (or whatever they call it) for independent connections to a pair of wireless ear buds, and Broadcast Audio for sending BT Audio to multiple client devices simultaneously.However, they have some errors in their spec table so not sure if this audio bit is accurate or not.
danielfranklin - Thursday, February 7, 2019 - link
Isnt the true wireless thing just BT5.0?They may have updated the firmware stack or something in the BT of th 712 though i guess.
Anyway, doesnt even look like a respin, just a small clockbump. I dont think there is anything different on the silicon.
I wonder if their testing has shown the 2.3ghz Kyro 360 matching the 2.0ghz 460 in many tasks.
I would still think the 460 in the SD675 would be faster in a number of tasks.
I dont know much about Samsung 11nm process, apparently its more of a small tweak to the 14nm process.
They should have just built the 675 with its Kyro 460 on 10nm with the 710 radio and stopped having so many SKUs and give better performance to everyone.
watzupken - Friday, February 8, 2019 - link
I wonder why they even bother to come up with a +2 model for the purpose of a slight clockspeed bump...niva - Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - link
They don't. It's just the manufacturing processes are now better, allowing them to squeeze out more juice out of the processors at the same thermal envelopes.The firmware changes that might add new capabilities are probably based on existing research they're doing on any/all of their chips with a simple determination that it could also work on this one.
In summary, these chips are the same in terms of production, with higher clocks and minor changes to the firmware within the chips/modems that allow more capabilities to be added. Since the end result is a better chip with more capability, might as well call it a new model.
zodiacfml - Friday, February 8, 2019 - link
I can't think of a smartphone that has the 710 chip.Solo450 - Friday, February 8, 2019 - link
There are some that are sold in China only.But outside of China the Nokia 8.1 may currently be the only smartphone that has the SD710.
levizx - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
Think again then. I'll give you a hint, the first punch-hole display.rouregre - Sunday, February 10, 2019 - link
Test DPC is an app that's specially designed to help EMMs, ISVs, and OEMs test their apps - https://testdpc.net/eastcoast_pete - Monday, February 11, 2019 - link
Underwhelming product, unless this replaces the 710 at the same or lower price (unlikely). Do marketing gimmicks like this indicate that Qualcomm has lost its edge and is coasting along in the mid-price range? Too bad that Huawei (HiSilicon) at least appears to not be willing to sell their SoCs to other manufacturers. They would kill QC in the mid-lower and lower range, and there are enough people who look for capable phones below the $ 300 mark.peevee - Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - link
"Too bad that Huawei (HiSilicon) at least appears to not be willing to sell their SoCs to other manufacturers."I bet they would, but there is too much stolen IP so no buyers for lawful markets.
levizx - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
What a stupid comment. List one stolen IP, I dare you.peevee - Tuesday, February 12, 2019 - link
I like 675 better, because of A76. Higher frequencies are not very useful in a phone as they lead to higher power draw and thermal throttling. Newer uarch OTOH....levizx - Friday, February 15, 2019 - link
Newer uArch on a WORSE process. 11LPP is somewhat on par with 10LPE in terms of power, slightly worse performance and moderately lower costs. So you lose ~15% power efficiency by going from 10LPP to 11LPP anyway.As far as efficiency goes, S712 is still better than S675 overall - a slight loss on A75 vs A76, but 15% gain applies to every other component including A55, ISP, GPU, DSP, Baseband etc.