Mr Anton Shilov, c'mon, be more professional man. Given the huge respect this tech website has, you need to be very careful and proofread thoroughly before posting an article.
Is this a 1 chip solution (given the picture above) and if the storage is getting well used Im curious about heat generation within a smart phone form factor (I have not got a reasonably fast SSD drive yet so I do not know how much heat they actually generate...)
Probably single-package, yeah. That "chip" contains a bunch of Flash dies and a controller a lot like an m.2 stick or whatever, but all wrapped in one package. If you search for BGA SSDs, same idea but following desktop standards. (The Toshiba BG4 got a recent post here.)
Doubt heat will be a big problem. Fancy m.2 desktop SSDs use like five watts under full load and milliwatts fully idle. Since this is slower and mobile those numbers should be a good bit lower here, and given the usual phone use cases it'll probably spend a lot of time idle and very little under full load.
These are 1 mm thick, right? If so, there could be a 1 TB microSD card in the near future. (2 TB should be easy since there are already 1 Tb and 1.33 Tb dies floating around.)
People with very restricted data plans who want to watch videos or listen to music out and about.
I have 24 GB of 4G data a month, so am absolutely fine with 32 GB storage. I stream everything, and videos and photos I take go straight to the cloud. But many people can't get such good services.
I also struggle to see the use case for this. I don't think many people carry large video collections with them any more since streaming options works so well. Photo would take ages to fill up, and then I'd be more worried about backup, in which case you would be able to offload anyway. Possibly for filmmaking? For example, bitrates of ProRes XQ 444 from the Blackmagic Ursa 4.6K is 312.5 MB/s (yes, that's MB, not Mb), so 1 TB would be about 53 minutes of video, but you can't get those bitrates from a smartphone camera, and in filmmaking settings people rather have multiple swappable media and make sure to offload to a disk-based production SAN for availability and reliability. I guess some smartphone buyers would use it as a status symbol, but again I think the potential customers numbers are very limited. On the other hand, maybe the investment put in such a large capacity smartphone would have people considering repairing the phone instead of buying a new one if the screen breaks. Better for the environement. =)
"I don't think many people carry large video collections with them any more since streaming options works so well".
But you don't actually know this for sure.
I would say that I am definitely not one for overuse of the cloud. I like to have control of my data and not be reliant on the cloud and the associated costs.
Video, music, photos and documents would all be items I carry and use. 1TB+ would be eminently useful to me.
"Streaming works so well". It generally does but isn't even available to most people in the world. It means nothing if you can utilise it.
Then there's data caps and high prices for the people who can access it. Not to mention the potential security risks. There are also people who normally have access to high-speed mobile data, but don't always and want access to their data when they don't have an internet connection.
Finally, the electronics required to have a constant data connection consume a lot of power. Turn off cellular connectivity on your device and it will last ages. For some people, that's very important.
So, tl;dr: Stop being so ignorant and realise that there are many other people out there with different wants and needs to you. And don't go around saying that their use cases are 'possible', as they do exist.
I'd love to end up in your position sooner or later. I've been neglecting PC upgrades for years as I first moved to Linux and have since started to transition over to phone-as-a-PC, but I'm not there yet and there are a few things I fear that will keep me chained to at least a cheap laptop for the foreseeable future.
I'd be thrilled to have affordable, fast storage in the 1TB range on a phone, but I'd also be okay with getting it via removable MicroSD instead to make swapping devices or expanding memory easier. At the moment, I'm hovering at about used 220GB on a 400GB card. Most of it is video content in the 480-720p range but there are also tons of photos, a library of ebooks, a relatively recent .vim of Wikipedia for offline reading and so forth. I have 60MB per month of data so if I'm not using my home's wireless or leeching off a place that offers it for free, I can still keep myself endlessly entertained so that my monthly phone bill remains $20 per 3 month prepaid card from Tracfone.
Will be so expensive that only a handful of people across the galaxy will buy 1 TB devices. It will be more than a couple of years we will see them widespread, when costs come down to something we can stomach.
Exec A: Smartphone shipments keeps dropping despite HW specs are now the highest it has ever been! Exec B: What should we do? Exec A: I know, we gonna up the HW specs even more, that will definitely solve the problem!
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Chaitanya - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
Just in time for Galaxy S10.matfra - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
@Anton typo alert : you missed a few Ks in your tablesharathc - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Mr Anton Shilov, c'mon, be more professional man. Given the huge respect this tech website has, you need to be very careful and proofread thoroughly before posting an article.shabby - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
Any reason they're using ufs and not nvme?Santoval - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
UFS is more power efficient and mobile oriented.WatcherCK - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
Is this a 1 chip solution (given the picture above) and if the storage is getting well used Im curious about heat generation within a smart phone form factor (I have not got a reasonably fast SSD drive yet so I do not know how much heat they actually generate...)twotwotwo - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Probably single-package, yeah. That "chip" contains a bunch of Flash dies and a controller a lot like an m.2 stick or whatever, but all wrapped in one package. If you search for BGA SSDs, same idea but following desktop standards. (The Toshiba BG4 got a recent post here.)Doubt heat will be a big problem. Fancy m.2 desktop SSDs use like five watts under full load and milliwatts fully idle. Since this is slower and mobile those numbers should be a good bit lower here, and given the usual phone use cases it'll probably spend a lot of time idle and very little under full load.
nandnandnand - Wednesday, January 30, 2019 - link
These are 1 mm thick, right? If so, there could be a 1 TB microSD card in the near future. (2 TB should be easy since there are already 1 Tb and 1.33 Tb dies floating around.)jrs77 - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Who needs 1 TB of storage on a mobile device? I've not managed to fill up 32GB on my iPad in three years.Meteor2 - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
People with very restricted data plans who want to watch videos or listen to music out and about.I have 24 GB of 4G data a month, so am absolutely fine with 32 GB storage. I stream everything, and videos and photos I take go straight to the cloud. But many people can't get such good services.
AdditionalPylons - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
I also struggle to see the use case for this. I don't think many people carry large video collections with them any more since streaming options works so well. Photo would take ages to fill up, and then I'd be more worried about backup, in which case you would be able to offload anyway.Possibly for filmmaking? For example, bitrates of ProRes XQ 444 from the Blackmagic Ursa 4.6K is 312.5 MB/s (yes, that's MB, not Mb), so 1 TB would be about 53 minutes of video, but you can't get those bitrates from a smartphone camera, and in filmmaking settings people rather have multiple swappable media and make sure to offload to a disk-based production SAN for availability and reliability.
I guess some smartphone buyers would use it as a status symbol, but again I think the potential customers numbers are very limited.
On the other hand, maybe the investment put in such a large capacity smartphone would have people considering repairing the phone instead of buying a new one if the screen breaks. Better for the environement. =)
Holly-Must-Haves - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
"I don't think many people carry large video collections with them any more since streaming options works so well".But you don't actually know this for sure.
I would say that I am definitely not one for overuse of the cloud. I like to have control of my data and not be reliant on the cloud and the associated costs.
Video, music, photos and documents would all be items I carry and use. 1TB+ would be eminently useful to me.
Tams80 - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
"Streaming works so well". It generally does but isn't even available to most people in the world. It means nothing if you can utilise it.Then there's data caps and high prices for the people who can access it. Not to mention the potential security risks. There are also people who normally have access to high-speed mobile data, but don't always and want access to their data when they don't have an internet connection.
Finally, the electronics required to have a constant data connection consume a lot of power. Turn off cellular connectivity on your device and it will last ages. For some people, that's very important.
So, tl;dr: Stop being so ignorant and realise that there are many other people out there with different wants and needs to you. And don't go around saying that their use cases are 'possible', as they do exist.
darkich - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Believe it or not, there are more and more people who don't use any other computer besides a smartphone.I am one of those people.
darkich - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
p.s.https://www.fiercewireless.com/wireless/smartphone...
.. And that is one of the most PC-developed markets in the world.
You can bet that globally, the trend is much more pronounced
PeachNCream - Friday, February 1, 2019 - link
I'd love to end up in your position sooner or later. I've been neglecting PC upgrades for years as I first moved to Linux and have since started to transition over to phone-as-a-PC, but I'm not there yet and there are a few things I fear that will keep me chained to at least a cheap laptop for the foreseeable future.PeachNCream - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
I'd be thrilled to have affordable, fast storage in the 1TB range on a phone, but I'd also be okay with getting it via removable MicroSD instead to make swapping devices or expanding memory easier. At the moment, I'm hovering at about used 220GB on a 400GB card. Most of it is video content in the 480-720p range but there are also tons of photos, a library of ebooks, a relatively recent .vim of Wikipedia for offline reading and so forth. I have 60MB per month of data so if I'm not using my home's wireless or leeching off a place that offers it for free, I can still keep myself endlessly entertained so that my monthly phone bill remains $20 per 3 month prepaid card from Tracfone.id4andrei - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Especially with Samsung flagships, think DEX. When the smartphone is also your PC then 1TB of storage sounds right.sane_voice - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Will be so expensive that only a handful of people across the galaxy will buy 1 TB devices. It will be more than a couple of years we will see them widespread, when costs come down to something we can stomach.taisingera - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Maybe Samsung is releasing 1TB option because they are dropping the microSD slot on the Galaxy S10.shabby - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
Who said they are dropping the sdcard?taisingera - Thursday, January 31, 2019 - link
I guess it does have a card slot. So the 1TB chip is just to extract more money from those who choose to buy it.StrangerGuy - Sunday, February 3, 2019 - link
Exec A: Smartphone shipments keeps dropping despite HW specs are now the highest it has ever been!Exec B: What should we do?
Exec A: I know, we gonna up the HW specs even more, that will definitely solve the problem!