Heh, $100 USD for a 1.5kg cooler. I'll stick to OEM-boxed CPUs that don't need that sort of absurdity. The CPU and freebie cooler combined would cost less than this dumb thing.
An AIO, especially a <$100 AIO, is really not going to perform better than this or other top-end air coolers. For less than $150 you can put together your own loop and get cooling performance far superior to either option.
Yes, this cooler is fro 2 types of users: - Extreme OC *with aircooling* - ePeen contests
It's sort of like the most souped up 1.5l engine you can find. That's great if you're competing exclusively in the "1.5l or under" category. For a little more money (and if you are willing to invest $100 in the cooler you may be willing to pay slightly more) you can get proper liquid cooling.
If aircooling is your target then I guess this may be the best of the best. This being said I'm pretty sure many consumers are the kind who buy it for street cred.
a friend at work.. has the same i7 5930k as i have.. has an AIO water cooler.. and i showed him screenshots of my comps temp via core temp.. and they were the same or better then his... both idle and under load... he will be getting the NH-D15 very soon as well...
Exaggerating as $100 for a processor is still a bit over the top. My fastest CPU is a 35W Core i5-2520M in a laptop I got for free (Dell Latitude e6320) which I currently use just for Windows gaming. I would not throw more than about $200 at a complete computer these days if I were buying a replacement and it would probably not be a desktop.
Yeah this is certainly not for you. I have a Noctua NH D15 on top of my Ryzen 1800x. Something like this isn't much of a stretch from what I already run. I would certainly look into something like this if I were doing a new gaming PC build.
I don't apply my usage model to other people. The implication in my post is that I am focused on my own usage and I do give my poor CPUs quite a workout. In fact, it wasn't long ago that someone would have said a Sandy Bridge CPU was a very powerful processor suited to a person with a highly demanding workload. It is, after all, a fair bit faster than my old Xeon 3050 though given that I relegated it to something as mundane as gaming under Windows, the even older C2D P8400 in my Linux box probably spends more time pegged at near 100% load. I occasionally feel bad for that little chip, but they're cheap to replace these days so eh, whatever.
Considering your 'fastest' CPU is a 6 generation old mobile Core i5 IN A LAPTOP, I don't even know why you are reading, let alone commenting on articles about heatsinks designed for aggressive overclocking.
So should people that own older laptops not be allowed to read an article about a piece of desktop hardware and then have an opinion about it? That would eliminate a lot of the site's readers on poorly thought out grounds.
Aggressive OCing needs water cooling, not a bulky 1.5Kg hanging off your motherboard. Since some of OCers wanna be aggressive, why not go extreme with liquid hydrogen. Push it to the limit right! LOL.
No CPU "needs" this kind of cooler. This cooler is for people who *want* a quieter computer and/or an overclocked computer.
E.g., my Ryzen 7 2700X doesn't *need* the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 I have installed on it. But I *want* that jumbo cooler so that I can get the same temperatures as the factory cooler but with reduced fan RPMs and therefore less noise.
was trying to overclock a 1700, could not get past 3.7 with stock cooler, NEEDed something better to get 3.9, maybe i can get 4.0. So far the Deepcool gammax 400 is doing not bad, can push 3.9. Just bought a kit for my ancient Thermalright IFX14 to see what that bad boy can do. I've had the IFX since Core 2 Quad days, put it on my Ivy Bridge because the Asrock had old 775 mount holes, and i can carry on to Ryzen with the kit, pretty amazing considering i got it used for like $40. So getting a TOP end cooler isn't necessary as expensive as the initial price, it can last well over 10 years, past the life of any processor, as long as nothing fundamentally changes. Waterblock, has failure points that a heatsink does not have. I would totally go for one of these at around $60-$70.
Excellent, silence the voices of those with opinions you disagree with. Also, you neglect to note that AT does moderate the comments section and deletes inappropriate posts and bans repeat offenders.
We aren't trying to invalidate your opinions. You are trying to invalidate a product many of us might be interested in because it delivers an alternative cooling solution to a category previously requiring liquid cooling.
If you think I have the ability to invalidate a product my commenting about its mass and price in an article, you're granting me a lot more authority on the matter than I think is warranted. Also, while you may speak for yourself regarding your lack of desire to silence an opposing viewpoint, you don't speak for the person to which I was responding so though I am glad you're taking a slightly different approach, that doesn't have much to do with my response to Cellar Door.
Maybe everyone is just sick of you commenting on so many articles just to proclaim how you aren't interested in the product. Just move on, it adds nothing to the conversation at all. It just looks self-important.
Yes. TDPs of CPUs don't indicate an achievable power consumption anymore. They're more like a cooling capacity metric that is beyond the CPU requirements for sustained Turbo speeds. 7nm/10nm CPUs will make dinosaurs cooler even more ludicrous. I want to excuse the AIOs though as they can make for better aesthetics in a windowed case. Yet, this air cooler can beat most AIOs in performance.
Yeah, you do that. I have i7-8700, which really does throttle with boxed cooler. The performance of those boxed coolers is terrible, Intels LIES about the TDP and processor downclocks itself. Using boxed cooler you are not using your processor to its full potential. Lucky for you, the thermal throttling is automatic, so you probably won't notice your low clock speeds, because the system does not crash. This cooler is totally overkill for any consumer processor running at default clock speeds, but yeah, all people should be using aftermarket cooling. You get a decent cooler for like $20, that keeps your cpu cool and running at full speed. Unlike the boxed shit.
OEM?. Corsair 60 watercooler with two parallel fans on radiator here on custom 1800x. Plenty cool and quiet.
Running two coolers in series will give you maybe 25% better cooling than the single at double the price of a single. Its more like a heatsink. Oh darn, math and physics is the enemy of marketeers. I shoosh now.
And 1.5kg on top of an MB kind of sucks. Boatanchor anyone?
It won't be as quiet as this for the same cooling performance and congratulations, you can cool 2 degrees cooler with an AIO if you want a lot of noise from either one.
Have fun with the shitty software you need to run for your AIO to function, this thing works using the motherboards fan controller.
The "spoilers" face different directions while the fans/airflow face the same direction... which probably me the spoilers are purely aesthetic and don't do shit.
depends on how they are designed, think like an hour glass kind of "louver" it allow air to go in easy, capture as much as possible and chamber it out the back in a slip stream type fashion, however, I doubt they are tall enough to take advantage though they do prevent fingers from touching the blades directly and I know from say the Gammaxx 200-400 the bottom fins being cut the way they were the top of the fan did not nor does usually accomplish much of anything anyways, however, the fan sitting unsupported at bottom with no fins in the way was silly, maybe they took this advantage, moved the fan up this amount, the bottom it still "cut away" fins but now all that heat is centralized which is good, they gain more high DIMM compatibility, and maybe just maybe that top plate is more then just marketing BS ^.^
I personally do not see the spoilers doing much of anything because that is the leading edge of the fan blades, unless they are more meant to help break up sound waves than actually capture air because by pictures alone they almost seem a Y type shape though shorter wider at wide point and narrower at narrow point, but not very tall to do much air funnel, they probably just needed to "hide" the gap created by moving fan up, no big deal, this is normally "dead air" territory and the fan look matches that top plate nicely, I think is sexy, not the price however, better hope the mobo/case one uses is up to the challenge.
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PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Heh, $100 USD for a 1.5kg cooler. I'll stick to OEM-boxed CPUs that don't need that sort of absurdity. The CPU and freebie cooler combined would cost less than this dumb thing.DigitalFreak - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Uhh... yeah. I don't think this product is meant for people like you.sonny73n - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
This product is not meant for me either and I’m an overclocker. For $100 I can get a decent closed loop water cool AIO.By the way, I was just looking at some water cooling AIO on Newegg. I saw an EVGA for $8.44. What!!!
https://m.newegg.com/products/9SIAF4H6KH6250
ibnmadhi - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
An AIO, especially a <$100 AIO, is really not going to perform better than this or other top-end air coolers. For less than $150 you can put together your own loop and get cooling performance far superior to either option.Diji1 - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
Not going to perform better and it will be noisier.close - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
Yes, this cooler is fro 2 types of users:- Extreme OC *with aircooling*
- ePeen contests
It's sort of like the most souped up 1.5l engine you can find. That's great if you're competing exclusively in the "1.5l or under" category. For a little more money (and if you are willing to invest $100 in the cooler you may be willing to pay slightly more) you can get proper liquid cooling.
If aircooling is your target then I guess this may be the best of the best. This being said I'm pretty sure many consumers are the kind who buy it for street cred.
Sivar - Tuesday, January 22, 2019 - link
Liquid cooling typically does not outperform high-end air cooling.A bespoke liquid cooling system certainly can, but not at this price point.
Qasar - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
a friend at work.. has the same i7 5930k as i have.. has an AIO water cooler.. and i showed him screenshots of my comps temp via core temp.. and they were the same or better then his... both idle and under load... he will be getting the NH-D15 very soon as well...megadirk - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
@PeachNCream Wait what? You are just trolling yes?PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Exaggerating as $100 for a processor is still a bit over the top. My fastest CPU is a 35W Core i5-2520M in a laptop I got for free (Dell Latitude e6320) which I currently use just for Windows gaming. I would not throw more than about $200 at a complete computer these days if I were buying a replacement and it would probably not be a desktop.FreckledTrout - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Yeah this is certainly not for you. I have a Noctua NH D15 on top of my Ryzen 1800x. Something like this isn't much of a stretch from what I already run. I would certainly look into something like this if I were doing a new gaming PC build.Mikewind Dale - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
"$100 for a processor is still a bit over the top."That depends on what kind of work you do. For many people, a $100 processor is severely underpowered and inadequate.
PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
I don't apply my usage model to other people. The implication in my post is that I am focused on my own usage and I do give my poor CPUs quite a workout. In fact, it wasn't long ago that someone would have said a Sandy Bridge CPU was a very powerful processor suited to a person with a highly demanding workload. It is, after all, a fair bit faster than my old Xeon 3050 though given that I relegated it to something as mundane as gaming under Windows, the even older C2D P8400 in my Linux box probably spends more time pegged at near 100% load. I occasionally feel bad for that little chip, but they're cheap to replace these days so eh, whatever.Samus - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
Considering your 'fastest' CPU is a 6 generation old mobile Core i5 IN A LAPTOP, I don't even know why you are reading, let alone commenting on articles about heatsinks designed for aggressive overclocking.PeachNCream - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
So should people that own older laptops not be allowed to read an article about a piece of desktop hardware and then have an opinion about it? That would eliminate a lot of the site's readers on poorly thought out grounds.Mikewind Dale - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
People with laptops should not be telling everyone how they won't use a heatsink designed for a desktop. Obviously they won't.sonny73n - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
Aggressive OCing needs water cooling, not a bulky 1.5Kg hanging off your motherboard. Since some of OCers wanna be aggressive, why not go extreme with liquid hydrogen. Push it to the limit right! LOL.flyingpants265 - Tuesday, March 12, 2019 - link
Wrong website, manMikewind Dale - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
No CPU "needs" this kind of cooler. This cooler is for people who *want* a quieter computer and/or an overclocked computer.E.g., my Ryzen 7 2700X doesn't *need* the be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 I have installed on it. But I *want* that jumbo cooler so that I can get the same temperatures as the factory cooler but with reduced fan RPMs and therefore less noise.
Byte - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
was trying to overclock a 1700, could not get past 3.7 with stock cooler, NEEDed something better to get 3.9, maybe i can get 4.0. So far the Deepcool gammax 400 is doing not bad, can push 3.9. Just bought a kit for my ancient Thermalright IFX14 to see what that bad boy can do. I've had the IFX since Core 2 Quad days, put it on my Ivy Bridge because the Asrock had old 775 mount holes, and i can carry on to Ryzen with the kit, pretty amazing considering i got it used for like $40. So getting a TOP end cooler isn't necessary as expensive as the initial price, it can last well over 10 years, past the life of any processor, as long as nothing fundamentally changes. Waterblock, has failure points that a heatsink does not have. I would totally go for one of these at around $60-$70.Cellar Door - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Users like this is why the comments section need some sort of moderation.PeachNCream - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Excellent, silence the voices of those with opinions you disagree with. Also, you neglect to note that AT does moderate the comments section and deletes inappropriate posts and bans repeat offenders.Samus - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
We aren't trying to invalidate your opinions. You are trying to invalidate a product many of us might be interested in because it delivers an alternative cooling solution to a category previously requiring liquid cooling.PeachNCream - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
If you think I have the ability to invalidate a product my commenting about its mass and price in an article, you're granting me a lot more authority on the matter than I think is warranted. Also, while you may speak for yourself regarding your lack of desire to silence an opposing viewpoint, you don't speak for the person to which I was responding so though I am glad you're taking a slightly different approach, that doesn't have much to do with my response to Cellar Door.jordanclock - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Maybe everyone is just sick of you commenting on so many articles just to proclaim how you aren't interested in the product. Just move on, it adds nothing to the conversation at all. It just looks self-important.PeachNCream - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
Next time you find something disagreeable in an article, remind yourself that you're feeling self-important and should move on.AshlayW - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
It's not about silencing opinions. It's about your comment being dumb.zodiacfml - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
Yes. TDPs of CPUs don't indicate an achievable power consumption anymore. They're more like a cooling capacity metric that is beyond the CPU requirements for sustained Turbo speeds. 7nm/10nm CPUs will make dinosaurs cooler even more ludicrous.I want to excuse the AIOs though as they can make for better aesthetics in a windowed case. Yet, this air cooler can beat most AIOs in performance.
hsalonen - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
Yeah, you do that. I have i7-8700, which really does throttle with boxed cooler. The performance of those boxed coolers is terrible, Intels LIES about the TDP and processor downclocks itself.Using boxed cooler you are not using your processor to its full potential. Lucky for you, the thermal throttling is automatic, so you probably won't notice your low clock speeds, because the system does not crash.
This cooler is totally overkill for any consumer processor running at default clock speeds, but yeah, all people should be using aftermarket cooling. You get a decent cooler for like $20, that keeps your cpu cool and running at full speed. Unlike the boxed shit.
ibnmadhi - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
This isn't your blog. Nobody gives a shit about you.808Hilo - Sunday, January 20, 2019 - link
OEM?. Corsair 60 watercooler with two parallel fans on radiator here on custom 1800x. Plenty cool and quiet.Running two coolers in series will give you maybe 25% better cooling than the single at double the price of a single. Its more like a heatsink. Oh darn, math and physics is the enemy of marketeers. I shoosh now.
And 1.5kg on top of an MB kind of sucks. Boatanchor anyone?
Diji1 - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
It won't be as quiet as this for the same cooling performance and congratulations, you can cool 2 degrees cooler with an AIO if you want a lot of noise from either one.Have fun with the shitty software you need to run for your AIO to function, this thing works using the motherboards fan controller.
just6979 - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
The "spoilers" face different directions while the fans/airflow face the same direction... which probably me the spoilers are purely aesthetic and don't do shit.Dragonstongue - Friday, January 18, 2019 - link
depends on how they are designed, think like an hour glass kind of "louver" it allow air to go in easy, capture as much as possible and chamber it out the back in a slip stream type fashion, however, I doubt they are tall enough to take advantage though they do prevent fingers from touching the blades directly and I know from say the Gammaxx 200-400 the bottom fins being cut the way they were the top of the fan did not nor does usually accomplish much of anything anyways, however, the fan sitting unsupported at bottom with no fins in the way was silly, maybe they took this advantage, moved the fan up this amount, the bottom it still "cut away" fins but now all that heat is centralized which is good, they gain more high DIMM compatibility, and maybe just maybe that top plate is more then just marketing BS ^.^I personally do not see the spoilers doing much of anything because that is the leading edge of the fan blades, unless they are more meant to help break up sound waves than actually capture air because by pictures alone they almost seem a Y type shape though shorter wider at wide point and narrower at narrow point, but not very tall to do much air funnel, they probably just needed to "hide" the gap created by moving fan up, no big deal, this is normally "dead air" territory and the fan look matches that top plate nicely, I think is sexy, not the price however, better hope the mobo/case one uses is up to the challenge.
HollyDOL - Saturday, January 19, 2019 - link
First sight it looks like copy of Noctua NH D15...Diji1 - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
Potentially better given it has one additional heatpipe.atragorn - Monday, January 21, 2019 - link
Don't feed the trolls.dromoxen - Wednesday, January 23, 2019 - link
Wot ? Wot ? No GRB ?